Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#155998 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Just responding in kind to those who vehemently claim knowledge of supernatural events and mystical powers. Shoe on the other foot kind of thing.
Dammit! I took it literally, not as parody. Please accept my apology. Excuse me while I wipe the egg from my face...
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#155999 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Very nice memories.
All totally meaningless when you can't remember them anymore.
I do wax poetic a lot. Comes from observing life and seeing the music and prose that exists in it. Hard to do that when you toot your horn so much.
So, you think what you have done here will bear fruit for eternity, surviving the winds of universal and man made changes? Just what do think mankind will blossom into?
Nothing is eternal, another one of your preconceived notions, and one with not a shred of evidence. Our star along with our planet and solar system will cease to exist.

I will leave behind knowledge that I have planted into the minds of hundreds. I will live on in my music, just as any other composer has done. A hundred years from now it is entirely possible that recordings I have made, and music that I have composed with be listened to and played. That is what I will leave behind, can you say the same?

I believe mankind will see the end of organized religion. As science answers more and more questions that were relegated to Godly answers, God will become an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance until a belief in mythical being will be pointless. Of course there will always be "hangers on" people too weak to navigate through life without a big daddy in the sky to hold their hands and comfort them. A thousand years from now we may well have cheated death, and have the ability to live for as long as we care to. No need for the fear of death, which is what drives most religions. We will need to migrate to the stars as our planet is eventually doomed. Without this migration our species will end.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156000 Feb 23, 2013
So you would prefer we ignore God commanded slavery? How about when Paul commanded a slave return to his master.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
A few Atheist bring up biblical slavery all the time. Never say a word about ongoing slavery. The fact is they donít give a damn about slavery. If they did they would be an advocate against it, but their not.
Iím the one that has to remind people that slavery is ongoing issue even today in nearly every country in the world. Lackadaisical attitudes works for slavery and not against it.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#156001 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
There is no evidence to back up your claim, that makes it your belief - not fact.
On another thread, you posted this, RiversideRedneck.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
In that post you made, you said the story was faked by atheists.

However, I searched the article you linked to, and it doesn't mention atheists at all. I pointed this out in a response.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...

In that post you made, you said the story was faked by atheists.

It wasn't. The report was actually faked by a member of Judaism, and several Christian site promoted it, too. I discovered that, and posted this http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... in order to correct what I'd found earlier.

You said this.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I found this one, that exposes a fake atheist report that African Christians in Nigeria burned these people.
Why would you say that. It's a very specific statement.

Could you supply the link where > you < read that it "exposes a fake atheist report" ?

RiversideRedneck?

Did you lie?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156002 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Just responding in kind to those who vehemently claim knowledge of supernatural events and mystical powers. Shoe on the other foot kind of thing.
Makes you look kinda stupid.

Just saying.

Tap into that reservoir,eh?

Let me guess, you are a New Age atheist guru? Listen to you and you will lead everyone to Nirvana. Just leave your old beliefs at the door.

Do you wear robes and all of that?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156003 Feb 23, 2013
Be what in the paranormal? Dave your brain damage is really showing in this post. I mean ghost stories Dave? Your brain damage told you ghost stories would show proof of the paranormal?

Wow just wow.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Befoef in the paranormal. Something that has always existed and will never go away.
.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156004 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing is eternal, another one of your preconceived notions, and one with not a shred of evidence. Our star along with our planet and solar system will cease to exist.
I will leave behind knowledge that I have planted into the minds of hundreds. I will live on in my music, just as any other composer has done. A hundred years from now it is entirely possible that recordings I have made, and music that I have composed with be listened to and played. That is what I will leave behind, can you say the same?
I believe mankind will see the end of organized religion. As science answers more and more questions that were relegated to Godly answers, God will become an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance until a belief in mythical being will be pointless. Of course there will always be "hangers on" people too weak to navigate through life without a big daddy in the sky to hold their hands and comfort them. A thousand years from now we may well have cheated death, and have the ability to live for as long as we care to. No need for the fear of death, which is what drives most religions. We will need to migrate to the stars as our planet is eventually doomed. Without this migration our species will end.
LOL!!

You have any idea how many great composers are still buried underground with no way to play their music if they are ever found?

You suffer from that wanting to live eternally disease, which is a paradox for a true abiogenic atheist.

Where do you get such notions? Aren't we all just matter and energy that coalesced into these systems of self sustaining by tearing apart other matter to feed our systems? All life are eating machines. Such a machine is only interested in getting fed. Just where do these noble ideas of eternity, providing for the next generation, jumping on hand grenades to save buddies, and other abstract ideas for much further down the line come from?

Just how could an atheist come up with such concepts beyond self? Please don't give me the millions of years routine. How could such ideas even pop into their heads?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#156005 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!
You have any idea how many great composers are still buried underground with no way to play their music if they are ever found?
You suffer from that wanting to live eternally disease, which is a paradox for a true abiogenic atheist.
Where do you get such notions? Aren't we all just matter and energy that coalesced into these systems of self sustaining by tearing apart other matter to feed our systems? All life are eating machines. Such a machine is only interested in getting fed. Just where do these noble ideas of eternity, providing for the next generation, jumping on hand grenades to save buddies, and other abstract ideas for much further down the line come from?
Just how could an atheist come up with such concepts beyond self? Please don't give me the millions of years routine. How could such ideas even pop into their heads?
http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156006 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
So was your comment.
Even so, there is a difference between your father and a deity one. Your daddy couldn't pull you back out and make you as good as new. Good thing he knew his limits, eh?
And, of course, my father isn't a sociopath. The same can't be said of "perfect" being who throws his children in a lake of fire for the mere transgression of not believing.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156007 Feb 23, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Nice to have a toy to play with, ain't it?

Hope it stimulates your brain some.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156008 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Your father can't give you heaven either. Go to the nearest Church of Christ and get right with God and you will never have to worry about a lake of fire.
Is your god's ego so fragile that he throws "his children" in a lake of fire for the mere act of not believing?

I'm not really seeing how you can describe this being as perfect. Your god sounds rather vindictive.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156009 Feb 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So you would prefer we ignore God commanded slavery? How about when Paul commanded a slave return to his master.
<quoted text>
I ask that everyone not ignore the problems of human trafficking and slavery today. The pornography business is a part of that victimization of women. And it is a factor in human trafficking and prostitution of which you support by the website you own by your own admission.

You are supporting slavery and victimization of women, teens and children. Child predators are growing in numbers as these deviants feed off of your pornography. Then they begin to patrol neighborhoods looking for children and teens they can abduct. Often resulting in a missing child or person with the consequences not ending up good.

You have tried to paint yourself as a decent citizen and business man. But you are far from decent. You support and feed off the business that result in horrendous crimes against women and children. Your business is a dirty business that leaves a trail of dead bodies and victims.

You are wrong to think thereís nothing harmless about internet pornography. Most people canít see what goes on behind the scenes. The vast majority of Porn Stars of the 70ís and 80ís have died of AIDS and hepatitis. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands that followed in the their path and end up dying of AIDS.

You tried to ditch you evils while you point to a time in history thousands of years ago. The Apostle Paul nor his disciples owned internet porn sites. Your hands with the blood of victims.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156010 Feb 23, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
And, of course, my father isn't a sociopath. The same can't be said of "perfect" being who throws his children in a lake of fire for the mere transgression of not believing.
Poor baby.

One day you may grow up and realize if it wasn't for that book about that deity you wouldn't have the moral indignation and righteousness you have now. Instead of cousin Hairy for dinner.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156011 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor baby.
One day you may grow up and realize if it wasn't for that book about that deity you wouldn't have the moral indignation and righteousness you have now. Instead of cousin Hairy for dinner.
awwww...such a sad little deflection from the question at hand.

Its funny when you fundies cave like that....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#156012 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
People don't get themselves crucified for a lie.
Yes they do, quite often.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#156013 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Makes you look kinda stupid.
Just saying.
Tap into that reservoir,eh?
Let me guess, you are a New Age atheist guru? Listen to you and you will lead everyone to Nirvana. Just leave your old beliefs at the door.
Do you wear robes and all of that?
If I look stupid responding IN KIND, then how do you suppose it makes you or people like you appear? All of your post deal with mysticism, spirit world shit, "souls" supernatural bullshit and throw in some pseudo-sceince and you have completely idiotic posts.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156015 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>If I look stupid responding IN KIND, then how do you suppose it makes you or people like you appear? All of your post deal with mysticism, spirit world shit, "souls" supernatural bullshit and throw in some pseudo-sceince and you have completely idiotic posts.
I don't deny something doesn't exist because it gets in the way of my existential view.

You, on the other hand, are another one each standard Topix atheist with this overwhelming compulsion to lead the children out of religious slavery and to the promised land.

Your whole moral view thing is based upon the religion you now wish to break off from and create your own. Martin Luther, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, and a host of others have done the same. You want to rewrite the story to suit yourself, with you doing the leading. You hopped on the atheist bandwagon and its false claims that science backs it to destroy that which was, and you rebuild in your image.

It fits with your ego.

Plagiarists who rewrite the words and think they will get by with it. If it wasn't for these religions, and especially Christianity being in place for so long you wouldn't have the morality you now claim.

The thing that takes you out of the realm of simple hypocrisy is your attacking believers for their beliefs. That turns you into the mad dog area. You have plenty of those on these Topix forums to get followers.
Can you back your BS

Redding, CA

#156016 Feb 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they do, quite often.
False claims from the COWARD!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156017 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The architecture housing the invisible life force, which is your thoughts, emotions, etc of an invisible and physically unmeasurable nature decomposes.
It is an assumption that energy, which those things are, just collapses and dissolves with the architecture. At the minimum, independent of a belief there is a spirit or soul responsible for this manifestation, those are energy fields woven from the material world. Loops are started, just as you have with molecules, that try to maintain themselves, just like atoms do. You can't "see" this energy, so you can't assume it dissipates with the material.
You could say exactly the same thing about a program running in your computer, but nobody believes the program continues after the computer is turned off.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156018 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are attempting the wrong way.
All forces occupy space. Space is part of the circuitry of the universe. If you are just measuring the energetic paths, what we call matter, with matter, then you will miss a lot. Those forces transverse space. Space is a carrier.
Space is essentially the ground plane. You have to develop a method to read changes in it. Believe or not, you do that with material observation. You are inserting a resistance or displacement, and thus a polarity.
Aside from all the gobbledygook you wrote, suggest a mechanism for measuring 'spiritual energies' and we shall see where it takes us. You say we are doing it wrong, but can't say what the right way is.

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