Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156004 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing is eternal, another one of your preconceived notions, and one with not a shred of evidence. Our star along with our planet and solar system will cease to exist.
I will leave behind knowledge that I have planted into the minds of hundreds. I will live on in my music, just as any other composer has done. A hundred years from now it is entirely possible that recordings I have made, and music that I have composed with be listened to and played. That is what I will leave behind, can you say the same?
I believe mankind will see the end of organized religion. As science answers more and more questions that were relegated to Godly answers, God will become an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance until a belief in mythical being will be pointless. Of course there will always be "hangers on" people too weak to navigate through life without a big daddy in the sky to hold their hands and comfort them. A thousand years from now we may well have cheated death, and have the ability to live for as long as we care to. No need for the fear of death, which is what drives most religions. We will need to migrate to the stars as our planet is eventually doomed. Without this migration our species will end.
LOL!!

You have any idea how many great composers are still buried underground with no way to play their music if they are ever found?

You suffer from that wanting to live eternally disease, which is a paradox for a true abiogenic atheist.

Where do you get such notions? Aren't we all just matter and energy that coalesced into these systems of self sustaining by tearing apart other matter to feed our systems? All life are eating machines. Such a machine is only interested in getting fed. Just where do these noble ideas of eternity, providing for the next generation, jumping on hand grenades to save buddies, and other abstract ideas for much further down the line come from?

Just how could an atheist come up with such concepts beyond self? Please don't give me the millions of years routine. How could such ideas even pop into their heads?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#156005 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!
You have any idea how many great composers are still buried underground with no way to play their music if they are ever found?
You suffer from that wanting to live eternally disease, which is a paradox for a true abiogenic atheist.
Where do you get such notions? Aren't we all just matter and energy that coalesced into these systems of self sustaining by tearing apart other matter to feed our systems? All life are eating machines. Such a machine is only interested in getting fed. Just where do these noble ideas of eternity, providing for the next generation, jumping on hand grenades to save buddies, and other abstract ideas for much further down the line come from?
Just how could an atheist come up with such concepts beyond self? Please don't give me the millions of years routine. How could such ideas even pop into their heads?
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Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156006 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So was your comment.
Even so, there is a difference between your father and a deity one. Your daddy couldn't pull you back out and make you as good as new. Good thing he knew his limits, eh?
And, of course, my father isn't a sociopath. The same can't be said of "perfect" being who throws his children in a lake of fire for the mere transgression of not believing.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156007 Feb 23, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Nice to have a toy to play with, ain't it?

Hope it stimulates your brain some.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156008 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Your father can't give you heaven either. Go to the nearest Church of Christ and get right with God and you will never have to worry about a lake of fire.
Is your god's ego so fragile that he throws "his children" in a lake of fire for the mere act of not believing?

I'm not really seeing how you can describe this being as perfect. Your god sounds rather vindictive.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156009 Feb 23, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So you would prefer we ignore God commanded slavery? How about when Paul commanded a slave return to his master.
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I ask that everyone not ignore the problems of human trafficking and slavery today. The pornography business is a part of that victimization of women. And it is a factor in human trafficking and prostitution of which you support by the website you own by your own admission.

You are supporting slavery and victimization of women, teens and children. Child predators are growing in numbers as these deviants feed off of your pornography. Then they begin to patrol neighborhoods looking for children and teens they can abduct. Often resulting in a missing child or person with the consequences not ending up good.

You have tried to paint yourself as a decent citizen and business man. But you are far from decent. You support and feed off the business that result in horrendous crimes against women and children. Your business is a dirty business that leaves a trail of dead bodies and victims.

You are wrong to think there’s nothing harmless about internet pornography. Most people can’t see what goes on behind the scenes. The vast majority of Porn Stars of the 70’s and 80’s have died of AIDS and hepatitis. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands that followed in the their path and end up dying of AIDS.

You tried to ditch you evils while you point to a time in history thousands of years ago. The Apostle Paul nor his disciples owned internet porn sites. Your hands with the blood of victims.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156010 Feb 23, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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And, of course, my father isn't a sociopath. The same can't be said of "perfect" being who throws his children in a lake of fire for the mere transgression of not believing.
Poor baby.

One day you may grow up and realize if it wasn't for that book about that deity you wouldn't have the moral indignation and righteousness you have now. Instead of cousin Hairy for dinner.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#156011 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Poor baby.
One day you may grow up and realize if it wasn't for that book about that deity you wouldn't have the moral indignation and righteousness you have now. Instead of cousin Hairy for dinner.
awwww...such a sad little deflection from the question at hand.

Its funny when you fundies cave like that....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#156012 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
People don't get themselves crucified for a lie.
Yes they do, quite often.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#156013 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Makes you look kinda stupid.
Just saying.
Tap into that reservoir,eh?
Let me guess, you are a New Age atheist guru? Listen to you and you will lead everyone to Nirvana. Just leave your old beliefs at the door.
Do you wear robes and all of that?
If I look stupid responding IN KIND, then how do you suppose it makes you or people like you appear? All of your post deal with mysticism, spirit world shit, "souls" supernatural bullshit and throw in some pseudo-sceince and you have completely idiotic posts.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156015 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>If I look stupid responding IN KIND, then how do you suppose it makes you or people like you appear? All of your post deal with mysticism, spirit world shit, "souls" supernatural bullshit and throw in some pseudo-sceince and you have completely idiotic posts.
I don't deny something doesn't exist because it gets in the way of my existential view.

You, on the other hand, are another one each standard Topix atheist with this overwhelming compulsion to lead the children out of religious slavery and to the promised land.

Your whole moral view thing is based upon the religion you now wish to break off from and create your own. Martin Luther, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, and a host of others have done the same. You want to rewrite the story to suit yourself, with you doing the leading. You hopped on the atheist bandwagon and its false claims that science backs it to destroy that which was, and you rebuild in your image.

It fits with your ego.

Plagiarists who rewrite the words and think they will get by with it. If it wasn't for these religions, and especially Christianity being in place for so long you wouldn't have the morality you now claim.

The thing that takes you out of the realm of simple hypocrisy is your attacking believers for their beliefs. That turns you into the mad dog area. You have plenty of those on these Topix forums to get followers.
Can you back your BS

Redding, CA

#156016 Feb 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes they do, quite often.
False claims from the COWARD!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156017 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The architecture housing the invisible life force, which is your thoughts, emotions, etc of an invisible and physically unmeasurable nature decomposes.
It is an assumption that energy, which those things are, just collapses and dissolves with the architecture. At the minimum, independent of a belief there is a spirit or soul responsible for this manifestation, those are energy fields woven from the material world. Loops are started, just as you have with molecules, that try to maintain themselves, just like atoms do. You can't "see" this energy, so you can't assume it dissipates with the material.
You could say exactly the same thing about a program running in your computer, but nobody believes the program continues after the computer is turned off.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156018 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Then you are attempting the wrong way.
All forces occupy space. Space is part of the circuitry of the universe. If you are just measuring the energetic paths, what we call matter, with matter, then you will miss a lot. Those forces transverse space. Space is a carrier.
Space is essentially the ground plane. You have to develop a method to read changes in it. Believe or not, you do that with material observation. You are inserting a resistance or displacement, and thus a polarity.
Aside from all the gobbledygook you wrote, suggest a mechanism for measuring 'spiritual energies' and we shall see where it takes us. You say we are doing it wrong, but can't say what the right way is.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156019 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Not yet.
But don't assume for one second that we've tapped all the knowledge of the universe....
I don't. But I also see no reason to believe traditional beliefs that have no evidence for them. if you can supply the evidence, please do so.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#156020 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://scitechdaily.com/study- shows-that-bees-and-flowers-co mmunicate-using-electrical-fie lds/
No one thought that article was interesting?
I thought it was mildly interesting. Insects have been long known to be sensitive to small electrical fields. It is interesting that the field is dissipated when a bee arrives and that tells later bees not to land there.
Minute electric fields between bees and flowers used for communication?
Pretty fancy, huh?
I am more amused that bees use the polarization of light to navigate. We can't see it at all, but it is vital for their existence.
Different flower colors would produce different electric fields. Wavelength of the light.
*sigh* Different things.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#156021 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Befoef in the paranormal. Something that has always existed and will never go away.
Probably most us on this forum alone have had one or more experiences in life that were on the odd side. Of course, we are trained to shut them out, dismiss them, or seeks physical reasons for them. The SOP for them when you can't find a physical reason for them is to then just dismiss it. Then you have those of that get pulled down that trail in pursuit of what happened. This is how the belief in UFOs, ghosts, and trumpet playing atheists tapping into a vast resource of energy come about.
But they do happen. The physics stuff I have been presenting can explain the link that this very myopic following a single trail modern physics method can't. This ethereal link that has to exist by their own physics, yet they ignore it because they can't touch it. It isn't the physicist though that pronounce the it doesn't exist unless we write a paper on it, it is idiots like so many Topix atheists. A real scientist keeps an open mind, but forces themselves to follow a logic in investigating. Topix atheist going flying off into space with condensed versions of what science provides. They are on the wacko side.
But anyhow, I've had a few a long time ago. They just got filed away and looked at later from a more developed perspective.
Had one that was really interesting almost 30 years ago. I was sitting on my couch reading a manual about the OS/2 operating system. Very relaxed. Just reading. Across the coffee table was an armchair with a table next to it immediately on its left, and the table lamp on. There was a background light in front of me while I looked down reading this book. The chair was quite empty, as was the table except for the lamp.
After a while I looked up from the book and forward the way we do when we read something and kind of digest it. Just kind of glancing up without focusing. Except something wasn't right. Part of the lamp's light was blocked. A total blackness was in front on the side toward the chair partially blocking it.
Huh?
I looked to the chair, and then a tall black form stood up, threw a cape or something over its left shoulder, then turned and disappeared. Very theatrical, like some old stage actor from the turn of the century. Just a dark opaque human figure that appears to have been sitting there watching me until I noticed it, then getting up and make a grand exit. It was very much real.
I hollered to the woman I was living with and told her about it. She said it was nothing unusual. She had seen many odd things there, including dancing lights on the floor. This was about two blocks away from a famous spiritualist camp that had been there for quite a while.
Was an interesting experience.
That was the Ghost of Future OS/2 operating systems walking out. You should have put the book down.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156022 Feb 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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You could say exactly the same thing about a program running in your computer, but nobody believes the program continues after the computer is turned off.
You can't say exactly the same thing at all. Computers are just telgraph machines, bursts of linear energy. Organic is a lot more loop and periodicity oriented.

What you can do with both is read the EM emissions and save to disk before the power goes out.

As it is, Mr. Einstein, you have all that dark matter and dark energy interacting with what matter we have. Right? Have you read any info flow in them?

If they can influence matter as we know it, then matter can influence it.

Oh, looking at that solar wind stuff I posted I see they measure it in protons cm3. 4 or 5 seems to be average. You are the math guy. This is a steady stream of mass, so this should be mostly constant all the way back to the sun. A long ways. From the time a portion of that stream is emitted to the time it takes to reach earth, how much mass from that starting batch all the way to that hitting earth would be emitted? This includes all cm3 packets possible hitting the earth. In addition, can you translate that to some total energy numbers, conductance values and other useful info for that quantity of mass and velocity? Electrical potentials included?
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#156023 Feb 23, 2013
Can you back your BS wrote:
<quoted text>
False claims from the COWARD!
nice to meet you COWARD

now stop PROJECTING
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Hinsdale, MA

#156024 Feb 23, 2013
Judas is more evil.

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