Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#155919 Feb 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And this is in spite of many, many attempts to find a way to measure it. At what point do we simply admit it doesn't exist?
Then you are attempting the wrong way.

All forces occupy space. Space is part of the circuitry of the universe. If you are just measuring the energetic paths, what we call matter, with matter, then you will miss a lot. Those forces transverse space. Space is a carrier.

Space is essentially the ground plane. You have to develop a method to read changes in it. Believe or not, you do that with material observation. You are inserting a resistance or displacement, and thus a polarity.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155920 Feb 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
Why do you go by the assumption that souls DO exist?
Because that is my belief and there's no evidence that they DON'T exist.
Some people believe this so strongly that they waste their lives in misery just waiting to "die" into their immortal souls.
Who? Who "wastes their lives in misery"??
If there is no soul, they've just wasted their lives. If there is, they've still wasted their lives.
If there is no soul then there's nothing to lose by believing there is one.

If there is a soul, there's a lot to lose by believing there isn't one.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155921 Feb 23, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Ok, then why did you say I was wrong?
Because its more likely that I'll sprout an oak tree out of my ass rather than break through the ego of an atheist such as yourself.

You've made up your mind.

You think your assumptions are fact & you've convinced yourself of that.

What am I to do?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155922 Feb 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There is nothing difficult about the *concept*. Now, is there any evidence that it happens in reality? Any evidence at all that this program can run on different hardware? Any evidence that it does, in fact, run on different hardware (or even without hardware)?
Not yet.

But don't assume for one second that we've tapped all the knowledge of the universe....

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#155923 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because its more likely that I'll sprout an oak tree out of my ass rather than break through the ego of an atheist such as yourself.
You've made up your mind.
You think your assumptions are fact & you've convinced yourself of that.
This is completely false. I'll take whatever position the evidence takes me in. You take positions even if there is no evidence for them at all.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What am I to do?
Not knowingly make false statements? You said I was wrong when you knew I was right.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155924 Feb 23, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Punctuation and sentence structure is your friend here.
I'm not.
Do you think pedophiles should be hung by the neck until they're dead?
Yes, there would be a lot fewer if they were.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155925 Feb 23, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Katy Lied
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Relax, just saying.
Very hip and brings back memories of the 70’s.

There is a message there in the lyrics.

Thank you, just saying.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155926 Feb 23, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
I found it interesting but Atheist won't bother to read it and that's a shame.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155928 Feb 23, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I found it interesting but Atheist won't bother to read it and that's a shame.
Yeah you're right.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#155929 Feb 23, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I found it interesting but Atheist won't bother to read it and that's a shame.
You cry when I read!

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#155930 Feb 23, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Very hip and brings back memories of the 70’s.
There is a message there in the lyrics.
Thank you, just saying.
Did mommy and daddy... oops, sorry! Did mommy tell you about the 70's?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155931 Feb 23, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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This is completely false. I'll take whatever position the evidence takes me in. You take positions even if there is no evidence for them at all.
<quoted text>
Not knowingly make false statements? You said I was wrong when you knew I was right.
See? You think your right that souls don't exist.

You've even congratulated yourself for it.

There is no evidence to back up your claim, that makes it your belief - not fact.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155932 Feb 23, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Did mommy and daddy... oops, sorry! Did mommy tell you about the 70's?
And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said "You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do"
So I took off my hat, I said "Imagine that. Huh! Me workin' for you!"
Whoa-oh-oh

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
And the sign said anybody caught trespassin' would be shot on sight
So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house, "Hey! What gives you
the
right?"

"To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in"
"If God was here he'd tell you to your face, Man, you're some kinda sinner"
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Now, hey you, mister, can't you read?
You've got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can't even watch, no you can't eat
You ain't supposed to be here
The sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside
Ugh!

And the sign said, "Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down and pray"
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a
penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin''bout me. I'm alive and doin' fine."
Wooo!

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Sign
Sign, sign

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#155933 Feb 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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See? You think your right that souls don't exist.
Of course. There's no evidence for them.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
There is no evidence to back up your claim, that makes it your belief - not fact.
Ok, buddy. I guess you BELIEVE that houses don't have house-souls and you BELIEVE cars don't run on fairy magic.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#155934 Feb 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The architecture housing the invisible life force, which is your thoughts, emotions, etc of an invisible and physically unmeasurable nature decomposes.
It is an assumption that energy, which those things are, just collapses and dissolves with the architecture. At the minimum, independent of a belief there is a spirit or soul responsible for this manifestation, those are energy fields woven from the material world. Loops are started, just as you have with molecules, that try to maintain themselves, just like atoms do. You can't "see" this energy, so you can't assume it dissipates with the material.
In ever human there lies a dormant energy, this energy has no name, some call it the "anti-soul" some call it "The energy of reason" It lies dormant because in order to access this energy your mind must be "cleared' from all preconceived notions. Only free thinkers and Atheists can access this energy. Theists have their minds dialed to preconceived ideas about everything found in the cosmos and cannot unlock this valuable energy source. Since "ALL" people of religion have preconceived ideas about every aspect of life, this energy is unreachable. Those that CAN tap this energy find it opens a universe of unlimited possibilities. The awe and majesty that results is so much more satisfying than pigeonholing everything into one total unreasonable event, filled with mythical beings and magical events.

Those that can tap this valuable resource can begin the journey of discovery. For those where religion has dictated a preconceived answer, the journey of discover can never really begin. Oh, some will say there are scientists who are deeply religious and still can take the journey of discovery, but once a preconceived attitude is set, the hidden energy can never be released, so the work these scientist do is ALWAYS tainted with their preconceived ideas, and they can never really take part in the journey of discovery like those without such preconceived ideas.

I am so glad I can tap this energy, the cosmos is so much more awe inspiring. Poor you!!!!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#155935 Feb 23, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
Wow! You copied and pasted the lyrics for a 1970's song! That must mean that you are old!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155936 Feb 23, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Of course. There's no evidence for them.
There is no evidence AGAINST them.
Ok, buddy. I guess you BELIEVE that houses don't have house-souls and you BELIEVE cars don't run on fairy magic.
There is evidence AGAINST those.

Do pay attention. You have a belief. You refuse to admit it. Why?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155937 Feb 23, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You cry when I read!
If you buy a Hebrew slave,
You mention slavery in the biblical times yet you fail to educate the populace that slavery is an ongoing issue even today in the United States. Your motives is obviously is not to condemn slavery.

It’s obvious the issue of slavery is something you could care less about. If you did you would be more passionate about slavery today. It never comes up in your rants. It’s pretty transparent you are unconcerned.

Since you won’t bring up that slavery continues today, I will.

http://www.state.gov/j/tip/what/index.htm

What is Modern Slavery?

Over the past 15 years,“trafficking in persons” and “human trafficking” have been used as umbrella terms for activities involved when someone obtains or holds a person in compelled service.

The United States government considers trafficking in persons to include all of the criminal conduct involved in forced labor and sex trafficking, essentially the conduct involved in reducing or holding someone in compelled service. Under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act as amended (TVPA) and consistent with the United Nations Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children (Palermo Protocol), individuals may be trafficking victims regardless of whether they once consented, participated in a crime as a direct result of being trafficked, were transported into the exploitative situation, or were simply born into a state of servitude. Despite a term that seems to connote movement, at the heart of the phenomenon of trafficking in persons are the many forms of enslavement, not the activities involved in international transportation.

Forced Labor
Also known as involuntary servitude, forced labor may result when unscrupulous employers exploit workers made more vulnerable by high rates of unemployment, poverty, crime, discrimination, corruption, political conflict, or even cultural acceptance of the practice. Immigrants are particularly vulnerable, but individuals also may be forced into labor in their own countries. Female victims of forced or bonded labor, especially women and girls in domestic servitude, are often sexually exploited as well.

Sex Trafficking
When an adult is coerced, forced, or deceived into prostitution – or maintained in prostitution through coercion – that person is a victim of trafficking. All of those involved in recruiting, transporting, harboring, receiving, or obtaining the person for that purpose have committed a trafficking crime. Sex trafficking can also occur within debt bondage, as women and girls are forced to continue in prostitution through the use of unlawful “debt” purportedly incurred through their transportation, recruitment, or even their crude “sale,” which exploiters insist they must pay off before they can be free.

It is critical to understand that a person’s initial consent to participate in prostitution is not legally determinative; if an individual is thereafter held in service through psychological manipulation or physical force, that person is a trafficking victim and should receive the benefits outlined in the United Nations’ Palermo Protocol and applicable laws.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155938 Feb 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>In ever human there lies a dormant energy, this energy has no name, some call it the "anti-soul" some call it "The energy of reason" It lies dormant because in order to access this energy your mind must be "cleared' from all preconceived notions. Only free thinkers and Atheists can access this energy. Theists have their minds dialed to preconceived ideas about everything found in the cosmos and cannot unlock this valuable energy source. Since "ALL" people of religion have preconceived ideas about every aspect of life, this energy is unreachable. Those that CAN tap this energy find it opens a universe of unlimited possibilities. The awe and majesty that results is so much more satisfying than pigeonholing everything into one total unreasonable event, filled with mythical beings and magical events.
Those that can tap this valuable resource can begin the journey of discovery. For those where religion has dictated a preconceived answer, the journey of discover can never really begin. Oh, some will say there are scientists who are deeply religious and still can take the journey of discovery, but once a preconceived attitude is set, the hidden energy can never be released, so the work these scientist do is ALWAYS tainted with their preconceived ideas, and they can never really take part in the journey of discovery like those without such preconceived ideas.
I am so glad I can tap this energy, the cosmos is so much more awe inspiring. Poor you!!!!
Your journey will have an eternal price to pay. Go to the nearest Church of Christ and get baptized and start your journey with God as your guide on a journey of happiness that will never end, instead of the dead-end one you're about to take.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155939 Feb 23, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Wow! You copied and pasted the lyrics for a 1970's song! That must mean that you are old!
There’s nothing wrong with being young. Old is what happens if you continue to live. Old has been redefined by the way. It was one time people in their 60’s. But now people in their 60’s is considered young. Old is like 90-100+.

So if you want to consider that I’m young that is always a compliment.

:)

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