Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Eagle12]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Most religious nuts don't know what evidence actually is, they think they can just make things up as they go and that it counts as evidence.

When you say “nuts,” are you talking Macadamia or…?

Almonds & Almond Paste
Anacardium nuts
Beechnut
Brazil nut
Bush nut
Butternut
Calisson
Cashew
Chestnut
Coconut
Filbert
Ginko nut
Hazelnut
Hickory nut
Lichee nut
Macadamia nut
Marzipan (almond paste)
Nangai nut
Natural wintergreen extract
Nougat
Pecan
Pesto
Pine nut
Pinon
Pistachio
Queensland nut
Shea nut
Walnut

I didn’t know there was religious nuts, I just thought there were nuts.

[Eagle12]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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And you like all the rest of fundies expect....us to take your word on it.

When you say “Fundie,” are you talking about a special ice cream cone?

Well it’s a bit too cold for that.

[Eagle12]

Well wrote:

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Real Christians are supposed to be the most humble, most loving, and most forgiving people on the earth. When they are acting otherwise they are either not Christian, or are doing what comes naturally for most of us and usually that is sin. We were born with a sinful nature.
Christians don't think WE are special. We just know that Christ paid a high price for us to have the promise and belief of Heaven.
We don't deserve Heaven, we have just made a conscious decision to humble ourselves and accept the gift Christ died to give us. It is just that easy for anyone to go to Heaven. You just have to accept and believe. I think it takes giving up your pride to believe in Christ.
Dont judge because we never know a persons heart, motives, or what they may be going through. Talk to a person. It won't take long for you to get some idea of what is in their heart.

Real Christians are real people. And real people are far from being perfect. A Christian is a imperfect being serving a perfect God. A misnomer, if one is not perfect they are not a true Christian.

We are all sinners, past, present or future. Through Gods grace and forgiveness we can be saved. God’s word says we must not only be hearers of his word but doers. That means we must try to be good followers. It doesn’t mean we are perfect.

[Just Think]

Dave Nelson wrote:

The religious are machines that want to be human, and the atheists are humans that want to be machines. Weird world.
Being human is living, experiencing emotions, and appreciating them. Why you have poetry, music, and a host of other things.
Hard to understand why someone thinks we should all be robots and then claim some intellectual superiority.
BTW, the machine thinkers are much more likely to dispose of what they consider malfunctions than humans cutting slack on other humans experiencing this existence and getting a consensus built.

You really have to stop trying to be deep....you're just embarrassing yourself.

[Mikko]

Siro wrote:

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Go and cheer on a gang rape in Malmo

You are a racist that means you are stupid

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

That wasn't what I said. What I said was that it requires one to reject superior natural explanations.
If we heard a noise in your attic and I told you that it sounds just like the noise raccoons make in attics, and you countered by saying the noise could be caused by the burps of Magic Attic Gnomes, no reasonable person would accept your explanation over mine because you are making unnecessary appeals to things we don't even know exist.
That being said, the cultural dependence of many aspects of NDEs is evidence against it being an objective afterlife experience. People's reports of their experiences strongly match up with their pre-existing expectations. For example, Christians sometimes see Jesus, while Hindus sometimes see Hindu deities. That shouldn't occur.

Why shouldn't it occur?

Would you be happier if they saw nothing after they die, as atheists suggest?

[RiversideRedneck]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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love from the creationist scum who can't convince anyone that the earth is 6000 years old.
yes I'm telling you to your face that your cult beliefs are ridiculous.

There goes that beautiful morality of yours, Septic.

[Dave Nelson]

Aura Mytha wrote:

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And you like all the rest of fundies expect....us to take your word on it.

Orrie, there is something very important about this whole matter you are missing.

You act like deists are trying to force you to believe as they do regarding an afterlife.

They aren't. They are giving their own testimony the same as you are with your rejection. You can accept it and figure it in with your own calculations just as much as they can accept yours and figure it into their own.

You overreact. And a lot of other Topixc atheists do. Which leads to the pissing contests and name calling on here because they react to your reaction.

As far as Christianity goes, the belief is you are to give testimony and let you and God remake yourself, not me.

Credit card companies and economic interests want to "own" you, not Christianity. Can't say that for other religions, or some organized Christian sects. You always have that economic interest in maintaining a flock. But Christianity allows for you to create your very own personal relationship with the Creator. Custom built.

You will find atheist and secular interests just as bad about keeping you penned in to milk and shear as any organized hierarchal religion.

You are not in the loop of my personal life other than as words on a monitor. If you are not in the way where I would trip over your dead body, then you are just some remote thing, like a deity and its interest in keeping you around for a long time you decide not to believe in.

Such applies to all of us. Your physical interests lie in the physical beings you deal with physically. That is reality. Every thing else is a head trip.

Do what you want with what you hear. You can rot in hell or on the ground for all I can really care. It is your ass, not mine. And it doesn't matter if you think I am wrong in my beliefs or not.

Does that sound very "Christian", as you perceive it should be?

Plus your taste in music sucks.

God loves you if nobody else does. Maybe.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Why shouldn't it occur?

Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Would you be happier if they saw nothing after they die, as atheists suggest?

None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.

I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.

Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.

None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.

They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/

I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.

What do you think happens after death?

[-Skeptic-]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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There goes that beautiful morality of yours, Septic.

You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.

[-Skeptic-]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.
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They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/
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What do you think happens after death?

We know what happens after death - NOTHING.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.

Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/

That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

What do you think happens after death?

Your body decomposes and you are gone.

[Dave Nelson]

The_Box wrote:

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Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.
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None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.
I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.

Beats shrieking in terror as you dissemble, doesn't it? When you realize a Band Aid ain't gonna do the trick?

Even a belief you will go to sleep forever can get you over that hump. However, as I posted earlier, it is when you wake up when the real issues start.

[Dave Nelson]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.

Yeah, they are all crazy except for you.

"We", you and that gerbil up your ass are the only sane creatures alive.

[Eagle12]

Mikko wrote:

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You are a racist that means you are stupid

Just a bit of advice. Your avatar looks like a Catholic Priest staring into the boys dressing room. If I were you, I’d change it. Unless of course you like looking like a pervert.

I’m not trying to be mean but helpful.

[Dave Nelson]

The_Box wrote:

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Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.
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That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.
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Your body decomposes and you are gone.

"All NDEs are told by living people."

Who can give a different perspective on living than you can.

[Eagle12]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.

Prove it, no proof then shut the f**k up.

[Eagle12]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.

Go find a good dentist, he probably can yank those bad hemorrhoids from your throat. He might have to use a cheery picker but what the heck.

[Dave Nelson]

Something tells me some of these Topix atheists have had some very strange personal experiences beyond what is considered "natural", and making great attempts to deny it was real. Whistling by the graveyard sort of thing, but not a fear of death, per se, but of something they experienced.