Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#155744 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.
Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/
That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What do you think happens after death?
Your body decomposes and you are gone.

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#155745 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.
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None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.
I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.
Beats shrieking in terror as you dissemble, doesn't it? When you realize a Band Aid ain't gonna do the trick?

Even a belief you will go to sleep forever can get you over that hump. However, as I posted earlier, it is when you wake up when the real issues start.

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#155746 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.
Yeah, they are all crazy except for you.

"We", you and that gerbil up your ass are the only sane creatures alive.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#155747 Feb 22, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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You are a racist that means you are stupid
Just a bit of advice. Your avatar looks like a Catholic Priest staring into the boys dressing room. If I were you, I’d change it. Unless of course you like looking like a pervert.

I’m not trying to be mean but helpful.

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#155749 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.
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That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.
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Your body decomposes and you are gone.
"All NDEs are told by living people."

Who can give a different perspective on living than you can.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#155750 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.
Prove it, no proof then shut the f**k up.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#155751 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.
Go find a good dentist, he probably can yank those bad hemorrhoids from your throat. He might have to use a cheery picker but what the heck.

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#155752 Feb 22, 2013
Something tells me some of these Topix atheists have had some very strange personal experiences beyond what is considered "natural", and making great attempts to deny it was real. Whistling by the graveyard sort of thing, but not a fear of death, per se, but of something they experienced.

“Think&Care”

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#155753 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What do you think happens after death?
Decomposition.

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#155754 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.
Have I tried to sell you anything?

There's another quality moral of atheists - lying.

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#155755 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
I know you're evidence of that - NOTHING.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#155756 Feb 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You had a hallucination after you cut your fingers off. No surprise there Geriatric Dave.
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You really enjoy the thought of someone going through pain.

It case you don’t know. Sadism is outside the boundaries of what is considered normal.

From Wiki:

Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain, cruelty, degradation, or humiliation, or, watching such behaviors inflicted on others. Aspects of it include:

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#155757 Feb 22, 2013
Nonreligious

Further information: Irreligion by country
See also: Demographics of atheism
Variously defined, irreligion appears to be increasing (along with secularizationgenerally), particularly in some Western countries. It is increasing in absolute numbers with overall population growth, but is DECREASING as a percentage of the world population!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_t...

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

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#155758 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know you're evidence of that - NOTHING.
There's strong evidence of that. Sensory perception, memory, emotion, personality, and thought are all functions of the brain.

When you die, your brain decomposes and those things (you) are gone.

...unless you can evidence a mechanism by which they are saved. Can you?

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#155759 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
There's strong evidence of that. Sensory perception, memory, emotion, personality, and thought are all functions of the brain.
When you die, your brain decomposes and those things (you) are gone.
...unless you can evidence a mechanism by which they are saved. Can you?
You are, of course, assuming that we don't have a soul OR you're assuming that our souls are limited to our physical brains.

As of yet, science is unable to answer the question: Do we have a soul?

So anyone claiming we don't is either ignorant or lying.

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#155760 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"All NDEs are told by living people."
Who can give a different perspective on living than you can.
You know, until that genius remark, I thought NDE's were told by dead people.....

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#155761 Feb 22, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Decomposition.
Thank you for sharing your belief.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#155762 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What do you think happens after death?
polymath257 wrote:
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Decomposition.
The same things, minus yourself.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#155763 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thank you for sharing your belief.
Decomp, is a fact of life, in death.
But that was the main reason we invented refrigeration, to slow the process.

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#155764 Feb 22, 2013
Well Mary did not marry the father of the baby so regardless he would have been a bastard. Great list :)
CunningLinguist wrote:
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10 important questions to be asked by any rational person as a guide to the question of whether or not there is a God.
1. If logic is the hallmark that separates man from beast, why is religion then a matter of “faith”, rather than rationality?
2. If something cannot be proved, then why do people continue to believe in it?
3. If there is a God, which is the real one and how come when a culture no longer exists neither do its gods? Isis? Ra? Neptune? Zeus? Apollo? Thor? Quetzacoatle?
4. If the Christian God is monotheistic how can it also be triune with Jesus & the Holy Spirit?
5. If God was the father of Jesus via the “immaculate conception”, wasn’t Mary technically raped & impregnated against her will?
6. If Jesus was born to a mother who was unwed doesn’t that make him a bastard?
7. If “Christ died for your sins on the cross”, how much of a sacrifice was it really, considering he’s immortal?
8. Why do people continue to believe in religion’s gods when promises made for thousands of years have yet to be delivered, whereas, science has shown us the earth is NOT flat, the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, medicine heals but prayers don’t, and although we can’t literally walk on water we can circumnavigate the globe underwater in a submarine and fly to the moon?
9. If God made the earth and then created a great flood to wipe it out, how could a perfect, infallible being make something needing to be destroyed and begun anew?
10. If God “gave his only son” to save us from our sins, then why do we have to do anything?

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