Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155738 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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love from the creationist scum who can't convince anyone that the earth is 6000 years old.
yes I'm telling you to your face that your cult beliefs are ridiculous.
There goes that beautiful morality of yours, Septic.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155739 Feb 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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And you like all the rest of fundies expect....us to take your word on it.
Orrie, there is something very important about this whole matter you are missing.

You act like deists are trying to force you to believe as they do regarding an afterlife.

They aren't. They are giving their own testimony the same as you are with your rejection. You can accept it and figure it in with your own calculations just as much as they can accept yours and figure it into their own.

You overreact. And a lot of other Topixc atheists do. Which leads to the pissing contests and name calling on here because they react to your reaction.

As far as Christianity goes, the belief is you are to give testimony and let you and God remake yourself, not me.

Credit card companies and economic interests want to "own" you, not Christianity. Can't say that for other religions, or some organized Christian sects. You always have that economic interest in maintaining a flock. But Christianity allows for you to create your very own personal relationship with the Creator. Custom built.

You will find atheist and secular interests just as bad about keeping you penned in to milk and shear as any organized hierarchal religion.

You are not in the loop of my personal life other than as words on a monitor. If you are not in the way where I would trip over your dead body, then you are just some remote thing, like a deity and its interest in keeping you around for a long time you decide not to believe in.

Such applies to all of us. Your physical interests lie in the physical beings you deal with physically. That is reality. Every thing else is a head trip.

Do what you want with what you hear. You can rot in hell or on the ground for all I can really care. It is your ass, not mine. And it doesn't matter if you think I am wrong in my beliefs or not.

Does that sound very "Christian", as you perceive it should be?

Plus your taste in music sucks.

God loves you if nobody else does. Maybe.

Since: Dec 11

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#155740 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why shouldn't it occur?
Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Would you be happier if they saw nothing after they die, as atheists suggest?
None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.

I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155741 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.
Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.
None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.
They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/
I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.
What do you think happens after death?

Since: Jun 07

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#155742 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There goes that beautiful morality of yours, Septic.
You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.

Since: Jun 07

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#155743 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.
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They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/
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What do you think happens after death?
We know what happens after death - NOTHING.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.

Since: Dec 11

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#155744 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Perhaps they saw the same thing but interpreted it differently.
Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
They disagree with you: http://www.near-death.com/
That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What do you think happens after death?
Your body decomposes and you are gone.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155745 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Because it is a contradiction. The Christian and Hindu afterlifes cannot both be true. So, either the Christian, the Hindu, or both have had an experience that was not real.
<quoted text>
None of these people have truly died. If they did, they would not be able to convey their experiences.
I think it would be great if all these people reported their NDE as a comforting experience (though they don't). Even if not real, that's not a bad way to go out.
Beats shrieking in terror as you dissemble, doesn't it? When you realize a Band Aid ain't gonna do the trick?

Even a belief you will go to sleep forever can get you over that hump. However, as I posted earlier, it is when you wake up when the real issues start.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155746 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.
Yeah, they are all crazy except for you.

"We", you and that gerbil up your ass are the only sane creatures alive.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155747 Feb 22, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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You are a racist that means you are stupid
Just a bit of advice. Your avatar looks like a Catholic Priest staring into the boys dressing room. If I were you, I’d change it. Unless of course you like looking like a pervert.

I’m not trying to be mean but helpful.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155749 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Seeing a religious deity is a SPECIFIC detail. No one would interpret Jesus as Ganesh, or vice-versa.
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That's nice. My statement remains true though. Anyone truly dead cannot relay an experience. All NDEs are told by living people.
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Your body decomposes and you are gone.
"All NDEs are told by living people."

Who can give a different perspective on living than you can.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155750 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has a mental illness and is in denial. IE most of the world.
Prove it, no proof then shut the f**k up.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155751 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.
Go find a good dentist, he probably can yank those bad hemorrhoids from your throat. He might have to use a cheery picker but what the heck.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155752 Feb 22, 2013
Something tells me some of these Topix atheists have had some very strange personal experiences beyond what is considered "natural", and making great attempts to deny it was real. Whistling by the graveyard sort of thing, but not a fear of death, per se, but of something they experienced.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#155753 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What do you think happens after death?
Decomposition.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155754 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You don't have any morals - that's why you're trying to sell a god you have no proof of.
Have I tried to sell you anything?

There's another quality moral of atheists - lying.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155755 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
We know what happens after death - NOTHING.
I know you're evidence of that - NOTHING.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155756 Feb 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You had a hallucination after you cut your fingers off. No surprise there Geriatric Dave.
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You really enjoy the thought of someone going through pain.

It case you don’t know. Sadism is outside the boundaries of what is considered normal.

From Wiki:

Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain, cruelty, degradation, or humiliation, or, watching such behaviors inflicted on others. Aspects of it include:

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#155757 Feb 22, 2013
Nonreligious

Further information: Irreligion by country
See also: Demographics of atheism
Variously defined, irreligion appears to be increasing (along with secularizationgenerally), particularly in some Western countries. It is increasing in absolute numbers with overall population growth, but is DECREASING as a percentage of the world population!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_t...

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

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#155758 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know you're evidence of that - NOTHING.
There's strong evidence of that. Sensory perception, memory, emotion, personality, and thought are all functions of the brain.

When you die, your brain decomposes and those things (you) are gone.

...unless you can evidence a mechanism by which they are saved. Can you?

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