Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155718 Feb 22, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So the damage to the brain produced or was caused by the same things as the hallucinations. And you conclude there is a supernatural from this?? Really? Did you ever consider that your perceptions might have been off because of the damage?
Poly, I am no where as prone to the fanciful as you. I am very much cause and effect, and not a believer in virtual particles.

All of your observations are based upon the outside looking in. Mirrors. Mine was done from the inside out. The other side of the mirror.

You have no idea how much assumption your logic is based upon. Like I have pointed out before, we are existing here on a ground plane within a much larger range of power and energies. Your Big Bang and universe is the ground plane. It is a relativity thing. Your perceptions and logic may apply to the physical as we know it, but it is stuck in the box. Don't hold them to be ultimate truths.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#155719 Feb 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How do you know (or why do you believe) that they don't provide a good explanation FOR said beliefs?
That wasn't what I said. What I said was that it requires one to reject superior natural explanations.

If we heard a noise in your attic and I told you that it sounds just like the noise raccoons make in attics, and you countered by saying the noise could be caused by the burps of Magic Attic Gnomes, no reasonable person would accept your explanation over mine because you are making unnecessary appeals to things we don't even know exist.

That being said, the cultural dependence of many aspects of NDEs is evidence against it being an objective afterlife experience. People's reports of their experiences strongly match up with their pre-existing expectations. For example, Christians sometimes see Jesus, while Hindus sometimes see Hindu deities. That shouldn't occur.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#155720 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Poly, I am no where as prone to the fanciful as you. I am very much cause and effect, and not a believer in virtual particles.
All of your observations are based upon the outside looking in. Mirrors. Mine was done from the inside out. The other side of the mirror.
You have no idea how much assumption your logic is based upon. Like I have pointed out before, we are existing here on a ground plane within a much larger range of power and energies. Your Big Bang and universe is the ground plane. It is a relativity thing. Your perceptions and logic may apply to the physical as we know it, but it is stuck in the box. Don't hold them to be ultimate truths.
What you don't seem to realize is that I played with your type of mysticism when I was young, but I realized it was all self-delusion. It seems you never grew out of it.
Thinking

Ilminster, UK

#155721 Feb 22, 2013
Straw man. Just because I'm not a nasty cu*t like you doesn't make me a socialist.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a groupthink mentality.
Same sort one finds in north korea, or was found in the former commie nations.
The east abandoned communism but their acolytes in the west havent caught up yet
Thinking

Ilminster, UK

#155722 Feb 22, 2013
I am sorry you are brain damaged.
It explains a lot, though.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I really envy his experience.
Mine was like a very powerful beast awakened from a deep hibernation, peeking out from a cave, and seeing searchlights looking for me by something I didn't want to find me. Kinda scared me back to sleep, and ultimately back here.
Kinda hoping I can plead amnesia or something when whatever it was catches me. I must of have done something wrong a long time ago a long ways from here.
Sincerely, that was the sense upon waking up out there.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155723 Feb 22, 2013
The religious are machines that want to be human, and the atheists are humans that want to be machines. Weird world.

Being human is living, experiencing emotions, and appreciating them. Why you have poetry, music, and a host of other things.

Hard to understand why someone thinks we should all be robots and then claim some intellectual superiority.

BTW, the machine thinkers are much more likely to dispose of what they consider malfunctions than humans cutting slack on other humans experiencing this existence and getting a consensus built.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155724 Feb 22, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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What you don't seem to realize is that I played with your type of mysticism when I was young, but I realized it was all self-delusion. It seems you never grew out of it.
Oh, I have seen the mysticism, and have seen how it is just another attempt to make sense of things like your physics. In fact, I have seen some of the same physical forces flowing through it.

But I did that at a much later age, with a much greater experience in hard physics and less vulnerable mindset. A more mature and developed perspective. With such you don't just kneejerk discount and react, throwing out the baby with the bathwater, you incorporate the patterns into the larger one. You get a larger picture and schematic to work from.

The same baby tossing occurs to those who get disappointed by religion earlier on.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155725 Feb 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I am sorry you are brain damaged.
It explains a lot, though.
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You should feel kinda worthless. Damaged goods that can run circles around you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#155726 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You should feel kinda worthless. Damaged goods that can run circles around you.
love from the creationist scum who can't convince anyone that the earth is 6000 years old.

yes I'm telling you to your face that your cult beliefs are ridiculous.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155727 Feb 22, 2013
http://scitechdaily.com/using-a-fifth-force-o...

As far as modern physics goes, this will lead to a serious re-writing of the books. If the effort isn't killed and buried quickly.

http://scitechdaily.com/gravity-alone-does-no...

The beginning of the end for gravity based cosmology.

http://scitechdaily.com/study-shows-that-bees...

There is that pesky EM again.

EM is not what they define and pigeonhole it to. It is the grand polarity induced into the universe. All the rest is effects.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155728 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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love from the creationist scum who can't convince anyone that the earth is 6000 years old.
yes I'm telling you to your face that your cult beliefs are ridiculous.
Whew!!

Fortunately for me your perceptions are irrelevant.

Damn, that was close. Being disapproved of is such a bummer.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#155729 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://scitechdaily.com/using- a-fifth-force-of-nature-to-pro be-earths-deep-interior/
As far as modern physics goes, this will lead to a serious re-writing of the books. If the effort isn't killed and buried quickly.
http://scitechdaily.com/gravity-alone-does-no...
The beginning of the end for gravity based cosmology.
http://scitechdaily.com/study-shows-that-bees...
There is that pesky EM again.
EM is not what they define and pigeonhole it to. It is the grand polarity induced into the universe. All the rest is effects.
We're not buying your bullsh*t god theory, take your religious propoganda out of this forum and stick it up your dishonest arse, you lying creationist sack of sh*t.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155730 Feb 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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We're not buying your bullsh*t god theory, take your religious propoganda out of this forum and stick it up your dishonest arse, you lying creationist sack of sh*t.
Do outbursts like that lead to ejaculation, or is that it?

You are a weird puppy.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#155731 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
If one does an analysis of Topix atheist posts you will find that one common thread. They need to be shown hard proof.
They require their brains to be filled. They require "education". That is what that "proof" is all about.
Evidently they lack the ability to investigate and reason on their own. Oh, they can run their mouths and suffer delusions, but they are lacking a key component of being individual.
So much for wanting them to be the guiding lights of humanity.
And you like all the rest of fundies expect....us to take your word on it.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155732 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Most religious nuts don't know what evidence actually is, they think they can just make things up as they go and that it counts as evidence.
When you say “nuts,” are you talking Macadamia or…?

Almonds & Almond Paste
Anacardium nuts
Beechnut
Brazil nut
Bush nut
Butternut
Calisson
Cashew
Chestnut
Coconut
Filbert
Ginko nut
Hazelnut
Hickory nut
Lichee nut
Macadamia nut
Marzipan (almond paste)
Nangai nut
Natural wintergreen extract
Nougat
Pecan
Pesto
Pine nut
Pinon
Pistachio
Queensland nut
Shea nut
Walnut

I didn’t know there was religious nuts, I just thought there were nuts.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155733 Feb 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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And you like all the rest of fundies expect....us to take your word on it.
When you say “Fundie,” are you talking about a special ice cream cone?

Well it’s a bit too cold for that.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155734 Feb 22, 2013
Well wrote:
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Real Christians are supposed to be the most humble, most loving, and most forgiving people on the earth. When they are acting otherwise they are either not Christian, or are doing what comes naturally for most of us and usually that is sin. We were born with a sinful nature.
Christians don't think WE are special. We just know that Christ paid a high price for us to have the promise and belief of Heaven.
We don't deserve Heaven, we have just made a conscious decision to humble ourselves and accept the gift Christ died to give us. It is just that easy for anyone to go to Heaven. You just have to accept and believe. I think it takes giving up your pride to believe in Christ.
Dont judge because we never know a persons heart, motives, or what they may be going through. Talk to a person. It won't take long for you to get some idea of what is in their heart.
Real Christians are real people. And real people are far from being perfect. A Christian is a imperfect being serving a perfect God. A misnomer, if one is not perfect they are not a true Christian.

We are all sinners, past, present or future. Through Gods grace and forgiveness we can be saved. God’s word says we must not only be hearers of his word but doers. That means we must try to be good followers. It doesn’t mean we are perfect.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#155735 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The religious are machines that want to be human, and the atheists are humans that want to be machines. Weird world.
Being human is living, experiencing emotions, and appreciating them. Why you have poetry, music, and a host of other things.
Hard to understand why someone thinks we should all be robots and then claim some intellectual superiority.
BTW, the machine thinkers are much more likely to dispose of what they consider malfunctions than humans cutting slack on other humans experiencing this existence and getting a consensus built.
You really have to stop trying to be deep....you're just embarrassing yourself.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#155736 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Go and cheer on a gang rape in Malmo
You are a racist that means you are stupid

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155737 Feb 22, 2013
The_Box wrote:
That wasn't what I said. What I said was that it requires one to reject superior natural explanations.
If we heard a noise in your attic and I told you that it sounds just like the noise raccoons make in attics, and you countered by saying the noise could be caused by the burps of Magic Attic Gnomes, no reasonable person would accept your explanation over mine because you are making unnecessary appeals to things we don't even know exist.
That being said, the cultural dependence of many aspects of NDEs is evidence against it being an objective afterlife experience. People's reports of their experiences strongly match up with their pre-existing expectations. For example, Christians sometimes see Jesus, while Hindus sometimes see Hindu deities. That shouldn't occur.
Why shouldn't it occur?

Would you be happier if they saw nothing after they die, as atheists suggest?

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