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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#155652 Feb 22, 2013
If I had a dime for every time a christhole on here purposely used a quote out of context.
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Sources are just as important, and actually more so, than what they say. A demonstrated inaccurate or completely false source has no authority and should be considered nothing more than fanciful tales by the sane person. When someone proves they are a liar, do you trust them?
Oh, and the Carl Sagan quote, applies to things that are logical, your god is not logical, therefore it does not apply. There are some pagan gods that are a bit more logical, and it could apply to them, but not the anthropomorphic Abrahamic gods, those are completely illogical.
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#155653 Feb 22, 2013
MagskBob wrote:
Atheism requires reason which is contrary to faith. The subject statement/question is absurd and has no answer.
Faith?
For slot machines only - and the deluded theists that find solace in whining about those that are indifferent to their dogma addiction.

Faith is the surrender of the mind; it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals.

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." ~Benjamin Franklin

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#155654 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Goodnight, everyone.
Remember that last breath you took can always be your last one. A damned meteor can hit you in the head.
Then you ain't got no time to stop and think anymore. You done arrived at the end of the line.
You're finally starting to understand...

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155655 Feb 22, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
You had a NDE. You quite obviously didn't cross over and return. Why do you continue to use it as an absolute reference?
Because of the ad lib character of it, and a detached analysis of how things transpired.

A very sudden surprise. A realization I just had a serious encounter with physical forces, then a compulsion to get up and see what happened, which then turned into a trip through a black tunnel and emergence with the same consciousness I always had. I was surveying the scene and agonizing over the work I had to do to bring order to it. It was just an everyday sort of thinking we do. Then I became alerted to a green smoky trail leading from where I started and into me. My reaction was as if I was being attacked by a snake, which I then wrestled with rather violently. It was all a surprise. From there came the realization I had just died, which is a rather emotional moment in one's life. Then a resigning to fate and an awakening in another realm with consciousness changes along the way. Such as how we think here. Memory banks were all gone, language was all gone, these physical frames of reference we learn were all gone. Pretty much basic existence and emotion. I saw, I did, but can't say I thought much about it. I was aware, but not in a real intellectual mode.

Even though I just went through the realization I died, and the emotional agony, which was really based upon the sudden event, and it being the result of just a traffic accident, not one single thought, instinct, or any sort of anticipation of my ceasing to exist, or going to sleep forever occurred to me. The concept was just not there. Every bit of it was just losing a spot in this particular existence. I did prepare for a jump to another existence, which surprisingly I seemed to be jumping into fully formed and functional, but not anticipating with much eagerness. It was a primitive and hostile environment I was headed into. Even though my consciousness was totally disconnected from my body, there was still a link that enabled me to return after being alerted I was still a viable physical entity, though damaged.

A severely wounded animal whose consciousness was going through the throes of death. With a new existence waiting inches away. Not one single glimmer of a possibility my "self" was about to expire en toto. I was atheist.

I had a future. I was enabled to come back to this one. And as I mentioned, there was an awakening after resigning myself to my demise here.

The experience did not lend itself very well to the Topix atheist belief and faith they just close their eyes and drift off into eternal unconsciousness.

There were many more aspects to the experience that point to some misconceptions about "reality", but the fact is I wasn't being terminated eternally.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And I didn't get my underwear back in the hospital.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#155656 Feb 22, 2013
You had a hallucination after you cut your fingers off. No surprise there Geriatric Dave.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Because of the ad lib character of it, and a detached analysis of how things transpired.
A very sudden surprise. A realization I just had a serious encounter with physical forces, then a compulsion to get up and see what happened, which then turned into a trip through a black tunnel and emergence with the same consciousness I always had. I was surveying the scene and agonizing over the work I had to do to bring order to it. It was just an everyday sort of thinking we do. Then I became alerted to a green smoky trail leading from where I started and into me. My reaction was as if I was being attacked by a snake, which I then wrestled with rather violently. It was all a surprise. From there came the realization I had just died, which is a rather emotional moment in one's life. Then a resigning to fate and an awakening in another realm with consciousness changes along the way. Such as how we think here. Memory banks were all gone, language was all gone, these physical frames of reference we learn were all gone. Pretty much basic existence and emotion. I saw, I did, but can't say I thought much about it. I was aware, but not in a real intellectual mode.
Even though I just went through the realization I died, and the emotional agony, which was really based upon the sudden event, and it being the result of just a traffic accident, not one single thought, instinct, or any sort of anticipation of my ceasing to exist, or going to sleep forever occurred to me. The concept was just not there. Every bit of it was just losing a spot in this particular existence. I did prepare for a jump to another existence, which surprisingly I seemed to be jumping into fully formed and functional, but not anticipating with much eagerness. It was a primitive and hostile environment I was headed into. Even though my consciousness was totally disconnected from my body, there was still a link that enabled me to return after being alerted I was still a viable physical entity, though damaged.
A severely wounded animal whose consciousness was going through the throes of death. With a new existence waiting inches away. Not one single glimmer of a possibility my "self" was about to expire en toto. I was atheist.
I had a future. I was enabled to come back to this one. And as I mentioned, there was an awakening after resigning myself to my demise here.
The experience did not lend itself very well to the Topix atheist belief and faith they just close their eyes and drift off into eternal unconsciousness.
There were many more aspects to the experience that point to some misconceptions about "reality", but the fact is I wasn't being terminated eternally.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And I didn't get my underwear back in the hospital.
Siro

Australia

#155657 Feb 22, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
pray = do nothing
Kurd = bend over

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155658 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Because of the ad lib character of it, and a detached analysis of how things transpired.
A very sudden surprise. A realization I just had a serious encounter with physical forces, then a compulsion to get up and see what happened, which then turned into a trip through a black tunnel and emergence with the same consciousness I always had. I was surveying the scene and agonizing over the work I had to do to bring order to it. It was just an everyday sort of thinking we do. Then I became alerted to a green smoky trail leading from where I started and into me. My reaction was as if I was being attacked by a snake, which I then wrestled with rather violently. It was all a surprise. From there came the realization I had just died, which is a rather emotional moment in one's life. Then a resigning to fate and an awakening in another realm with consciousness changes along the way. Such as how we think here. Memory banks were all gone, language was all gone, these physical frames of reference we learn were all gone. Pretty much basic existence and emotion. I saw, I did, but can't say I thought much about it. I was aware, but not in a real intellectual mode.
Even though I just went through the realization I died, and the emotional agony, which was really based upon the sudden event, and it being the result of just a traffic accident, not one single thought, instinct, or any sort of anticipation of my ceasing to exist, or going to sleep forever occurred to me. The concept was just not there. Every bit of it was just losing a spot in this particular existence. I did prepare for a jump to another existence, which surprisingly I seemed to be jumping into fully formed and functional, but not anticipating with much eagerness. It was a primitive and hostile environment I was headed into. Even though my consciousness was totally disconnected from my body, there was still a link that enabled me to return after being alerted I was still a viable physical entity, though damaged.
A severely wounded animal whose consciousness was going through the throes of death. With a new existence waiting inches away. Not one single glimmer of a possibility my "self" was about to expire en toto. I was atheist.
I had a future. I was enabled to come back to this one. And as I mentioned, there was an awakening after resigning myself to my demise here.
The experience did not lend itself very well to the Topix atheist belief and faith they just close their eyes and drift off into eternal unconsciousness.
There were many more aspects to the experience that point to some misconceptions about "reality", but the fact is I wasn't being terminated eternally.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And I didn't get my underwear back in the hospital.
When your brain is suffocating, which is very common when one is dying or unconscious, it hallucinates. Hallucinations are filling in gaps in the memory with the same random neural triggers that cause dreams. This doesn't actually happen in real time, it gets filled in when the brain is no longer hallucinating, when the oxygen supply is restored to a proper balance. These random neural triggers will result in imagery of a person's common notions, fanciful things they spend the majority of their time thinking about. A rational mind will then organize the imagery, often resulting in nothing being perceived. An irrational mind will fill in other sensations, like touch, taste, even emotional responses.

Look Dave, this is a very well understood phenomenon, it's not a mystery. Near death experiences are the same things junkies go through, only without the addiction.
Thinking

Ilminster, UK

#155659 Feb 22, 2013
Kurdish muslims bend over several times a day.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Kurd = bend over
Siro

Australia

#155660 Feb 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Kurdish muslims bend over several times a day.
<quoted text>
Yeah while mounting and spooning Mikko

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#155661 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Nice description of the mechanics. Is a little weak on the actual effects from a really good zap. Things like pole shifts, axial tilt, a major league rearrangement of the way things were.
It's 'weak' on those because those are not effects of CMEs. CMEs, even the big ones, are way too small to cause a pole shift.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Nykvarn, Sweden

#155662 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Kurd = bend over
Racist = stupid

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Nykvarn, Sweden

#155663 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah while mounting and spooning Mikko
no that is you projecting your gay dreams on me

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155664 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
When your brain is suffocating, which is very common when one is dying or unconscious, it hallucinates. Hallucinations are filling in gaps in the memory with the same random neural triggers that cause dreams. This doesn't actually happen in real time, it gets filled in when the brain is no longer hallucinating, when the oxygen supply is restored to a proper balance. These random neural triggers will result in imagery of a person's common notions, fanciful things they spend the majority of their time thinking about. A rational mind will then organize the imagery, often resulting in nothing being perceived. An irrational mind will fill in other sensations, like touch, taste, even emotional responses.
Look Dave, this is a very well understood phenomenon, it's not a mystery. Near death experiences are the same things junkies go through, only without the addiction.
Sorry, love. There was a very real time aspect to it. Plus you should note I analyze things in much greater detail than you. Trust me, I have analyzed the hell out it. You have just read books on it.

You would like to think you are rational and all together, but others can peer into your skull like you claim science is capable of and find physical reasons for your issues. Those issues also affect your other logic processes.

Do you really think "science", the perceptions of other beings, can tell you what is really going on in your head?

You really do have an incomplete picture of "existence", and one painted mostly from what you have read in books. You could use an experience to rattle your cage, throw all of that collection up in the air, and then be forced to put the pictures back in order. Such will reveal to you just how artificial this physical consciousness is, in particular about its belief it is in control of your existence. That control comes from a much deeper and unseeable depth in you, or something you are connected to.

My physical consciousness was turned into a fog for a long time, one filled with treachery, misunderstanding, and a lot of impersonality from the "outside" world that I had to pick through. Things occurred that never should have that revealed how and why that happened. There were physical damages that affected my normal brain processes, which were on a very high level, that I had to learn to work around. They were on such a high level that those that didn't know me thought I was above average. Those that did know me from before were aware something drastic happened to me. Be advised that I took psychiatric and mental performance tests a year later, long before I got out of the fog, that would still put me at the top for perception, mental maturity, putting things in proper order, and basic adjustment to "reality". Visual memory was the only thing that took a tremendous hit, and it was tremendous. Don't sell me short, or discount what I have to say because of what you think you understand from reading books.
Thinking

Ilminster, UK

#155665 Feb 22, 2013
Are you hitting on Mikko or Kitten?
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah while mounting and spooning Mikko

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155666 Feb 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, love. There was a very real time aspect to it. Plus you should note I analyze things in much greater detail than you. Trust me, I have analyzed the hell out it. You have just read books on it.
You would like to think you are rational and all together, but others can peer into your skull like you claim science is capable of and find physical reasons for your issues. Those issues also affect your other logic processes.
Do you really think "science", the perceptions of other beings, can tell you what is really going on in your head?
You really do have an incomplete picture of "existence", and one painted mostly from what you have read in books. You could use an experience to rattle your cage, throw all of that collection up in the air, and then be forced to put the pictures back in order. Such will reveal to you just how artificial this physical consciousness is, in particular about its belief it is in control of your existence. That control comes from a much deeper and unseeable depth in you, or something you are connected to.
My physical consciousness was turned into a fog for a long time, one filled with treachery, misunderstanding, and a lot of impersonality from the "outside" world that I had to pick through. Things occurred that never should have that revealed how and why that happened. There were physical damages that affected my normal brain processes, which were on a very high level, that I had to learn to work around. They were on such a high level that those that didn't know me thought I was above average. Those that did know me from before were aware something drastic happened to me. Be advised that I took psychiatric and mental performance tests a year later, long before I got out of the fog, that would still put me at the top for perception, mental maturity, putting things in proper order, and basic adjustment to "reality". Visual memory was the only thing that took a tremendous hit, and it was tremendous. Don't sell me short, or discount what I have to say because of what you think you understand from reading books.
Wow, you really want your experience to be real so much that you are ignoring the actual science behind it. Sad.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155667 Feb 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you hitting on Mikko or Kitten?
<quoted text>
He's cheating on me with Mikko, that's why I'm not talking to him on this thread.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155668 Feb 22, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's 'weak' on those because those are not effects of CMEs. CMEs, even the big ones, are way too small to cause a pole shift.
Playing with magnets and string will give you a better understanding of how they attract than numbers will.

That constant stream from the sun is part of the EM mechanism and relationship between here and there. A relative equilibrium with disturbances on occasion. It is a charged field subject to spurious disruptions.

The axial tilt is at an angle to the orbital path. This is a heavy bias to that EM relationship, which relationship is also influenced by EM currents from without the solar system. It all forms a relative equilibrium. Because of that tilt and bias, you don't need to reach out and grab with a magnet to affect the earth's magnetic field. Just disrupting a portion can cause it to wobble seeking a new equilibrium. Reduce the force interacting with the south pole, and the north pole will react to the force acting on it. The whole magnetic signature of the galaxy at least affects our orbit. The sun is the major local anchor on that score.

Disrupt the flux lines and the magnetic objects shift position.

The orbital momentum of this planet and gravity keeps it going, but the only thing really governing that tilt is that magnetic lock from all directions. A shift in that lock and you only have inertia keeping it from going to a rolling ball from a spinning ball.

A large enough CME at the right time can change that flux field enough to initiate the roll.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#155669 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you really want your experience to be real so much that you are ignoring the actual science behind it. Sad.
Get back to me when you have some experience.
Siro

Ashfield, Australia

#155671 Feb 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you really want your experience to be real so much that you are ignoring the actual science behind it. Sad.
Sounds like you pretending to be a woman.

Whos projecting now?
Siro

Ashfield, Australia

#155672 Feb 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you hitting on Mikko or Kitten?
<quoted text>
I wouldnt mind hitting you

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