Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
CunningLinguist

Kissimmee, FL

#155503 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How long have you been in the bible bashing business?
Seems a complete waste of time to bash something you claim to not believe in...
The conundrum is that there isn't anything to bash - it is written down for anyone to read! The Bible is its own enemy and the perfect path to atheism if properly read.(Asimov)

Lots of scripture is offensive, even to the Bible banger types - so they ignore those that are disgusting and excuse their Gods indiscretions which include slavery, murder, genocide, talking livestock and reptiles, witches and demons.

We do not require another person to 'explain' the contents for us.

Your Bible speaks for itself as do all 'holy books'.
Myth only - copy/pasted from even older myths.

The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.

Since: Sep 08

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#155504 Feb 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Did I ever say that EM was irrelevant? In some situations, it can be very relevant. But not *all* situations. Also, it is important to be precise about exactly what is going on. You tend to confuse things like polarity, electricity, electric fields, electric potentials, not to mention magnetic fields, magnets, and magnetism. Without precise use of language, understanding is impossible.
You tend to not being able to put those things into a cogent systemic pattern that can then show a relationship between far distant objects. It is also very difficult to translate into the very, very overly nouned language you learned for you to understand those coarser and less educated terms.

Oh, look, off in the distance! A half mile it appears. A big headlight. Oh, and a loud noise of intermittent emission! Oddly, it appears to be in a continuum straddling those rails you are sitting between. Let me get out my spectrometer and rangefinder to see if it is approaching or moving away, or perhaps transversing the horizon. No I am sorry, it is well below the horizon now. Let me get a fix on it here and give you an accurate account of it's speed, composition, and probable path. I do wish there was a gravity field nearby I could plot any deviation from the projected path that may occur. We may discover a black hole.

Just have to calibrate this..

RUMBLE.RUMBLERUMBLERUMBLERUMBL ERUMBLE

Wow, the acoustic energy level of that was very high. I did manage to note it was an Amtrak, which does 90 MPH in this area. Two engines, too. 21 coaches.

Cool, huh, Poly?

Poly?

Poly?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#155505 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I never said that populations don't evolve. But at some point a population of something gradually became a population of Tyrannosaurus Rex, meaning that there had to be a first T-Rex, just like there had to be a last T-Rex.
No, there doesn't have to be a first T-Rex.

Let's say you have a group of 200 S-Rexes (just making this species up). The herd is getting too big, 100 of them stay in the area (group A), 100 of them migrate to a new area (group B).

Group B's area has different types of prey, a different environment, and different selective pressures. That population gradually evolves to meet its new challenges.

Eventually, the sum of genetic changes that have occurred in Group B will cause them to be a distinct species from Group A. We can call them T-Rex. But, there is no single individual we point to as the "first T-Rex".

Since: Sep 08

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#155506 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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No, there doesn't have to be a first T-Rex.
Let's say you have a group of 200 S-Rexes (just making this species up). The herd is getting too big, 100 of them stay in the area (group A), 100 of them migrate to a new area (group B).
Group B's area has different types of prey, a different environment, and different selective pressures. That population gradually evolves to meet its new challenges.
Eventually, the sum of genetic changes that have occurred in Group B will cause them to be a distinct species from Group A. We can call them T-Rex. But, there is no single individual we point to as the "first T-Rex".
How long does it take a S Rex to starve to death? Or how long before it adjusts to different species that have discovered its eggs are delicious and nutritious? Or even something that finds it to be delicious and nutritious and it best be avoided? Were there education classes available for those emigrants?
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#155507 Feb 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"Yes, anyone believing is anything for NO good reason is WRONG!!! Our beliefs inform our actions, believing in anything without evidence or for NO reason is not only WRONG, its dangerous."
So, I take it that is what you believe?
I believe myself and others may believe you have a wrong perspective on which you are basing your beliefs that you believe in so strongly, which is in essence believing without good evidence as your belief that believing in anything can be based upon no good reason is really beyond logic. Everyone has a reason to justify their belief to themselves.
Or something like that. I believe.
Oh, Enigma is another of my favorites. Do you believe my belief Michael Cretu is good is illusional? Feel the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oxpcyJr_jwoXX
Oh wow man, it's so cosmic. Are you stuck in the sixties or something? I'd like to poke you in your Third Eye.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#155508 Feb 21, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Oh wow man, it's so cosmic. Are you stuck in the sixties or something? I'd like to poke you in your Third Eye.
Another music critic.

Since: Jun 07

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#155509 Feb 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How long does it take a S Rex to starve to death? Or how long before it adjusts to different species that have discovered its eggs are delicious and nutritious? Or even something that finds it to be delicious and nutritious and it best be avoided? Were there education classes available for those emigrants?
Creationist tw*t with no morals.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155510 Feb 21, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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The conundrum is that there isn't anything to bash - it is written down for anyone to read! The Bible is its own enemy and the perfect path to atheism if properly read.(Asimov)
Lots of scripture is offensive, even to the Bible banger types - so they ignore those that are disgusting and excuse their Gods indiscretions which include slavery, murder, genocide, talking livestock and reptiles, witches and demons.
We do not require another person to 'explain' the contents for us.
Your Bible speaks for itself as do all 'holy books'.
Myth only - copy/pasted from even older myths.
The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.
Spoken like a bible basher that is truly ignorant if the bible.

Well done.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155511 Feb 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.weather.com/news/sc ience/massive-sunspot-forms-20 130220
Pay no attention. It is only EM. Totally insignificant.
Ignore the fact it is growing so rapidly, which kinda means it is very energetic. Just mass in a higher acceleration rate. Ignorable perturbation.
Gravity is the basis of your life and existence. And virtual particles. Ask Polymath.
However, until it decides what it wants to do, keep track so you can schedule phone calls and avoid various other minor inconveniences.
You ignored the entire article quite well.

"Sun activity goes through cycles that stretch about 11 years. Currently the sun is moving toward the peak of a very energetic cycle which scientists expect to last through the middle of this year."

I have lived through 3 of these already, and nope, it's not something to worry about.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155512 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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No, there doesn't have to be a first T-Rex.
Let's say you have a group of 200 S-Rexes (just making this species up). The herd is getting too big, 100 of them stay in the area (group A), 100 of them migrate to a new area (group B).
Group B's area has different types of prey, a different environment, and different selective pressures. That population gradually evolves to meet its new challenges.
Eventually, the sum of genetic changes that have occurred in Group B will cause them to be a distinct species from Group A. We can call them T-Rex. But, there is no single individual we point to as the "first T-Rex".
Exactly. At some point, "S-Rex" becomes a T-Rex, meaning there was a first T-Rex...

Unless you're gonna assume that more than one was born at the exact same time....

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155513 Feb 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
We separate out rubbish into a couple of categories. The council collects it, recycles about 80% of it and landfills the rest.
The cost of landfill to the council is increasing and so the council is motivated to get better at recycling.
Other countries on the continent do a better job of recycling than the UK, it's a work in progress.
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80% recycling is pretty good. Itís surprising you have any land available for land fill in the UK. Iím glad to hear that you guys donít do ocean dumping.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155514 Feb 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Why?
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Because at one point in history there were no T-Rex's, then there were T-Rex's.

Did they all just evolve at once? No.

That would suggest that at some point in history, the first T-Rex was born, which spawned millions of others.

Then of course, I guess nature said that history's best killing machine isn't good enough & they all died.......

ugh

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#155515 Feb 21, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Oh wow man, it's so cosmic. Are you stuck in the sixties or something? I'd like to poke you in your Third Eye.


Wow. Hard to find a copy of The Alchemist. The copyright guys are active on that one.

The first song is The Alchemist by Enigma. That is the name of his mobile music studio. Light up a doobie and put that part on fullscreen. Take a photo tour of the rest of you. Understand the forces you see are at work within you, to. It's a matter of scale and interconnectedness

:-)

Since: Jun 07

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#155516 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because at one point in history there were no T-Rex's, then there were T-Rex's.
Did they all just evolve at once? No.
That would suggest that at some point in history, the first T-Rex was born, which spawned millions of others.
Then of course, I guess nature said that history's best killing machine isn't good enough & they all died.......
ugh
It's not our fault that god isn't real. God back to your cult leaders and complain to them about why they never bothered to teach you evolution or morals / honesty / intellectual enquiry.

You've chosen stupidity as your disease, now leave atheists alone.

Since: Dec 11

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#155517 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Exactly. At some point, "S-Rex" becomes a T-Rex, meaning there was a first T-Rex...
Unless you're gonna assume that more than one was born at the exact same time....
No, you're not getting it.

Look at this gradient: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/022/a/...

What's the first blue pixel?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155518 Feb 21, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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80% recycling is pretty good. Itís surprising you have any land available for land fill in the UK. Iím glad to hear that you guys donít do ocean dumping.
If you take all the landfill area in the US and put it all in one location, it would be the size of New York .... the city, not the state.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#155519 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Fair enough. I'll restate: When taken literally, Genesis is known to be false.
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There was no 'first homo sapien'. Populations evolve, not individuals.
Youíre a well programmed Cyborg Atheist.

Does your head open from the front or from the back?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#155520 Feb 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You ignored the entire article quite well.
"Sun activity goes through cycles that stretch about 11 years. Currently the sun is moving toward the peak of a very energetic cycle which scientists expect to last through the middle of this year."
I have lived through 3 of these already, and nope, it's not something to worry about.
I don't really worry, myself.

However, it is a fact a CME ejected at the wrong time and of sufficient size can change the environment here in a very profound way. Amazing luck we have had over the years, eh? Ain't luck and randomness grand?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#155521 Feb 21, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Creationist tw*t with no morals.
Your derogatory statements are a perfect example of your atheist morals.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#155522 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like a bible basher that is truly ignorant if the bible.

Well done.
Spoken like a bible thumper who's never really read the bible without his god goggles on.

Or never read it at all.

Thank you.

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