Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#155252 Feb 20, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Science, by correcting its mistakes, learns about how the universe works and the same mistakes are not made a second time.
Right. Science never makes the same mistake a second time.

Hence, 1980's - Global Cooling Crisis; 2000 - Global Warming Crisis.

They are geniuses at self-correction!

Bwahahahahahahahahahah...

As we all look forward to the 2020 Global-Staying-the-Same-Temper ature Crisis!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa a...

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#155253 Feb 20, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Hey Cletcher,
How ya' like those California gas prices?
Liberal policies are great, huh?
Bwhahahahahahahaaa..
Hope it goes to $20 a gallon. You guys would still vote for liberal democrats.
And you should,...'cause you deserve them.
Rick Perry(R) and Texas will take your rich refugees for you. You know,...the guys who employ people?
Bwahahahahahahaaaaa....etc.
But there's hope...Detroit (Liberal) will likely default. Their govt.-tit-sucks might move to Cal!
Bwahahaaaa (repeat)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/20/us-...

They are headed down the same path. Extinction.

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#155254 Feb 20, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Yeah, you've noticed that as well.
Dave's signature word salad dressing is "or something like that".
If you were capable of understanding what I write, then you would.

Or something like that.
CunningLinguist

Kissimmee, FL

#155255 Feb 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's obvious you really didn't understand Matthew 5:17-19 very well....
Did ya catch the "for he wrote of me" part?
Why don't you do some more bible study classes then come back & see me.
Learn to read the Bible in an understandable version, understandable to you.
Also, learn to read the Bible observantly, like you would a detective or crime show...
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~Mark Twain

It is obvious that you continue to make excuses for this putrid book. Have at it Xtian, show us your biblical love!

BIGOTRY and HATRED
Among the people forbidden to be priests include the blind, the lame, anyone with a "flat nose," anyone with broken hands or feet, "crookbacks" and dwarfs.(Leviticus 21:18-23) Among those forbidden to "enter into the congregation of the LORD" are men with injured testicles and men who have had their penises cut off. Also forbidden are bastards and ten generations of their descendants.(Deuteronomy 23:1-2) "…. the Jebusites….which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither." (2 Samuel 5:6)

LANGUAGE FOR YOUR CHILDREN?
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces." (Malachi 2:3) "Hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (Isaiah 36:12) "….he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall….according to the word of the LORD." (I King 16:11-12) It's sometimes hard to categorize these things: foul language or barbarity? The Bible is filled with both. "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." (Proverbs 26:11) "Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith." (Ezekiel 4:15)

The sheer number of approving, boastful references to massacres on an enormous scale is appalling. The manner in which the atrocities are carried out is described in morbid, bloodthirsty detail. The murdering of babies is horrifying to contemplate.

Biblical apologists claim that the Hebrew word for "murder" is different from "kill" so that all those scores of thousands of babies were not "murdered."

This is pure biblical BS. Dead babies are dead babies and I don't care which Hebrew verb describes how they got that way.

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#155256 Feb 20, 2013
I love reading this forum and seeing those wonderful displays of Topix atheist intellect and reason come poring forth.

To reach the same level of thought would require me to chase down cats and step on their tails, or to develop boils or painful zits I really wouldn't want to have.
CunningLinguist

Kissimmee, FL

#155257 Feb 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
I am not a literal follower of the Old Testament. It is just another book from long ago, and written from a different perspective. Such things take a bit of understanding to grasp what was written.
The limited abilities of the Topix atheist mind always on display here loves to ascribe "magic" to this "Skydaddy", while their belief in the magical poofiness of the Big Bang resulting in the magical poofiness of abiogenesis, then evolution into the wondrous product of themselves is quite natural. How else can you arrive at such magnificence as themselves?
Six days for creation. Gathered up dust and injection of the breath of life. A Topix atheist can only see making a mud pie and blowing into it from that. One of the displays of their advanced intelligence.
When the book was written everything was dust. Mud if it got wet. The hadn't got into the habit of classifying things into different chemicals like we do today. Carbon, silica, iron ore, chemical compounds, and etc were just dust. Stuff, you know?
Man was formed of this stuff. Then a breath of energy was added. Then came life, then came inquisitiveness and what we like to call higher thought.
The same may have happened with the animals, but without a little something extra in the breath.
Sounds kinda evolutionary. No poofing.
Polymath noted how genetic links can be severed by disuse. Watching too much TV, reading too many books, preoccupying themselves with too much fascination by the bright lights of this existence severed some very useful genes, and their evolutionary value in the brains of Topix atheists. Live, on the hoof modifications to the epigenome. Bad choice for further reproduction if you care about what comes after you.
David,
Have you ever wondered what life would have been like had you enjoyed sufficient oxygen at birth?

You should explain to Topix atheists why:

(1:11-13)
If... God lets the earth bring forth the plants.
Is this proof that Evolution existed prior to God?
I find it odd she doesn't bother to create any vegetation but allows the 'earth' to do this! Is God lazy or inept at creation?

GODDIDIT? Not exactly - Evolution first!

Cue the Gods now: to claim all the credit albeit waiting on evolution to provide a habitat for the new life? And all those insects that feed off plants and each other.

There is the problem with those magic 6 days.
Please clear this up.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html

(1:1-2:3) The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.

In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas according to current estimates, the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.7 billion years old, respectively.

In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants (1:11) before any animals (1:20). The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.

“No theologian could ever be a historian. History is essentially disinterested. The historian has only one concern: art and truth,...whereas the theologian has something else at stake- his dogma.”~Joseph Ernest Renan

“Ditat Deus”

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#155258 Feb 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
We know more about your fairy tale collection known as the bible than you do. By far.
You like to think that, I know.

That's the atheist ego hard at work.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155259 Feb 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why should anyone take the bible seriously?
Because its a serious, historical book.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#155260 Feb 20, 2013
The_Box wrote:
None of the Gospels have known authors; they're anonymous. Assigning them to Matt, Mark, Luke, and John is simply church tradition. Jude is likely pseudepigraphical.
Moses didn't write squat.
The Book of Daniel wasn't even written by Daniel.
Because The_Box says so?

LMAO

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#155261 Feb 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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If you were capable of understanding what I write, then you would.
Or something like that.
I understand that what you write is much of the time done on some general knowledge, a bit of vague guessing, and a whole lot of missing the mark.

"Or something like that", offers you an out when you get called on it.

I mean exactly that.

Since: Sep 08

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#155262 Feb 20, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~Mark Twain
It is obvious that you continue to make excuses for this putrid book. Have at it Xtian, show us your biblical love!
BIGOTRY and HATRED
Among the people forbidden to be priests include the blind, the lame, anyone with a "flat nose," anyone with broken hands or feet, "crookbacks" and dwarfs.(Leviticus 21:18-23) Among those forbidden to "enter into the congregation of the LORD" are men with injured testicles and men who have had their penises cut off. Also forbidden are bastards and ten generations of their descendants.(Deuteronomy 23:1-2) "…. the Jebusites….which spake unto David, saying, Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither." (2 Samuel 5:6)
LANGUAGE FOR YOUR CHILDREN?
"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces." (Malachi 2:3) "Hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (Isaiah 36:12) "….he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall….according to the word of the LORD." (I King 16:11-12) It's sometimes hard to categorize these things: foul language or barbarity? The Bible is filled with both. "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." (Proverbs 26:11) "Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith." (Ezekiel 4:15)
The sheer number of approving, boastful references to massacres on an enormous scale is appalling. The manner in which the atrocities are carried out is described in morbid, bloodthirsty detail. The murdering of babies is horrifying to contemplate.
Biblical apologists claim that the Hebrew word for "murder" is different from "kill" so that all those scores of thousands of babies were not "murdered."
This is pure biblical BS. Dead babies are dead babies and I don't care which Hebrew verb describes how they got that way.
Oh!! Da poor puddy tat!!. Some body stepped on his tail!!

Seeds. Growth. Evolution.

That book is the basis for your life and thought today. In toto.

The rutabaga blossom or rose will look down at its roots and wonder how in the hell such an ugly thing could have created such a magnificence as itself.

Evolution includes changes of perception and perspective.

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#155263 Feb 20, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I understand that what you write is much of the time done on some general knowledge, a bit of vague guessing, and a whole lot of missing the mark.
"Or something like that", offers you an out when you get called on it.
I mean exactly that.
Scar, when you look at a tree, you see a tree. I see a tree in a forest. And more.

You probably won't understand the significance of that.

“Ditat Deus”

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#155264 Feb 20, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars
And of course your indoctrinated atheist mind tells you that the only source of light is the sun & stars.....

“Ditat Deus”

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#155265 Feb 20, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
BIGOTRY and HATRED
Among the people forbidden to be priests include the blind, the lame, anyone with a "flat nose," anyone with broken hands or feet, "crookbacks" and dwarfs.(Leviticus 21:18-23)
This can go real deep, but I will try to explain the jist of it.

God's sanctuary is a carnal typification of the spiritual. Everything had to be purified to go into the santuary.

The "lame at the gate" represents all "flesh", all of us, because we all have blemishes.

The short of it is that "ALL will be sanctified". Christ died for ALL those with blemish (all of us).

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#155266 Feb 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And of course your indoctrinated atheist mind tells you that the only source of light is the sun & stars.....
The inherent limited perspective of a Topix atheist mind. Simplified to the max perpsective of taking a step from here to there, and forgetting where the path started.

If there wasn't something to see the light, then there would be no light. Modern physics even says so.

You can set there shivering your ass off on a cold dark night, but you don't get light and warmth until the match is struck.

Or something like that.

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#155267 Feb 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because The_Box says so?
LMAO
What part do you take issue with?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#155268 Feb 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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There has to be a predefined code before it even starts to learn. That external stimulus has to be routed the right ways.
Um, no there doesn't. The brain develops it's "code," it is more accurate to say "language" really, as it learns. The only part that was defined by genetic where how the nerves were wired for it to receive the input, that's it. This is the reason why when infants get hurt they just cry, but when an older child gets hurt they stop doing it, the brain has to learn what does what and what means what before it can actually do anything more than basic functions. You heart is actually the only real automated system, everything else is learned.

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#155269 Feb 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, no there doesn't. The brain develops it's "code," it is more accurate to say "language" really, as it learns. The only part that was defined by genetic where how the nerves were wired for it to receive the input, that's it. This is the reason why when infants get hurt they just cry, but when an older child gets hurt they stop doing it, the brain has to learn what does what and what means what before it can actually do anything more than basic functions. You heart is actually the only real automated system, everything else is learned.
You lack a sufficient overview of the process to know what you are professing.

Try creating the material architecture that will accept the code you now write. It is all much more complicated than you are capable of understanding now. There is a lot more to it than just translating it into machine language.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#155270 Feb 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Scar, when you look at a tree, you see a tree. I see a tree in a forest. And more.
Sure, Dave, sure.

But really, it's more than a forest or tree, isn't it? There are numerous analogies that could be made here that sound mysterious and really "special", I'll leave that up to you, since you see further than ...<<<<- yeah I'll leave those analogies to those that enjoy them, you. Oh vanguard of ancient knowledge lost and only known by a few wizened elders!
Dave Nelson wrote:
You probably won't understand the significance of that.
hahaa....

That's what you say to just about every person on the thread or any thread you post to.

Because, after all, no one understands things like you~/, do they, Dave?

“Ditat Deus”

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#155271 Feb 20, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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What part do you take issue with?
This part:

"None of the Gospels have known authors; they're anonymous. Assigning them to Matt, Mark, Luke, and John is simply church tradition. Jude is likely pseudepigraphical.
Moses didn't write squat.
The Book of Daniel wasn't even written by Daniel."

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