Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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"Be an Atheist and join hopelessness."

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Feb 19, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
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Ahh yes! the real theory of abiogenesis, why does it not work? and as usual theres no evidence that it ever did! faith is its engine.
You are confused. Do you want to learn and get less confused or do you want to wallow in, "goddidit, so there is no reason to look further."?

No one is saying that you have to believe in it; that would be the religious way. You should study the idea. Do a little digging on your own.

Word of caution: Stay way from religious sites made by people who have doctorates in divinity or philosophy, or slightly better, only a high school education!

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Yep and that is why we say, science is self-correcting.
Science corrected itself all through history, even under the Church. It is a process, not a religion. But you are trying to turn it into a religion.

Well, modern science did get a good kickstart under the Church.

The Church filled the void left by the collapse of the Roman Empire. The void included libraries and the exchange of information. The Church brought what survived back. They provided the education and facilities.

You listen to too many soundbites.

One more time.

It was Faraday and Maxwell, two devout theists, that are the absolute underpinnings of modern science. They dealt with this invisible force and turned it into the tool used since by modern physics and science.

Them directly.

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Have you seen the life around "Old Faithfull?"
Have you ever touched the moon?

Why do you jump in and ask stupid questions, which have nothing to do with the conversation?

No one looked for life in the hot springs where the temp was thought to be too high for life to survive. Then one day, a scientist decided to look and low and behold, there was life!

Science is asking questions and finding the answers. Science does not care one way or the other about anything supernatural, unless they can found proof of it, then it becomes part of the natural world.

If all you christians could agree on any point, maybe someone would take you seriously, but as it stands, no two christians can agree.

38,000+ sects of christianity and you want me to believe that you have a handle on the right one? You, who tosses the scientific method out the window every chance you get? You who does not act like jesus told you to? You who never read the entire bible?

What are your credentials? I'll tell you. You have none.

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Yep and that is why we say, science is self-correcting.
Yes, and that is why we say science is STILL correcting itself.

Thank you very much.

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Eagle12 wrote:
This would make a good freeway sign.
"Be an Atheist and join hopelessness."
Or the atheist recruitment motto:

"Be an atheist.
Inflame your ego."
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You are mistaken, there are no excuses to be made. I'm simply trying to educate you a tad bit (I know, it's difficult for an atheist to admit to learning something...)
Your have utterly failed to comprehend your Bible.

The Bible is supposedly the guide to morality, inspired by a deity. Why is any of that awful stuff included in such a supposedly wonderful document? Why does anyone have to make excuses for the filth in it? The "context" argument does not hold.

One of the most conspicuous blind spots Christians display is regarding Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount." Snippets of it are cited repeatedly and even nonbelievers know some of them. That sermon begins in Matthew 5:3. Some of its better known "beatitudes" include: Verses 3 through 5 - "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." Also Verses 7 through 9 - "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

What makes this so ironic is that a mere eight verses later, in the same "Sermon on the Mount" Jesus says this: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-19) And again, "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)

There you have it. Jesus is unambiguously talking about Old Testament Law. Not only that, but Jesus, the supposedly "gentle carpenter" from Galilee, as part of the Christian Triune God, participated in every single Old Testament atrocity.

And the OT Law he defended so strongly includes, among so many hundreds of other cruel and/or bizarre directives, the Law that nonŽvirginal brides must be murdered. And not just murdered, but "stoned," one of the most barbaric, cruel practices imaginable: "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

Stonings take place to this day, in many Muslim countries, based on biblical directives.(Muslims, like Christians and Jews, consider themselves the "children of Abraham.") Remember, according to Jesus, not "one jot or one tittle" of the OT Law shall pass until the end of time. So, non-virginal brides should be stoned to death, today, tomorrow and forever.

Amnesty International has a poster that shows, to scale, the size of the stones to be used in a "proper" stoning. Imagine dying that way.. Then imagine a God who would order that people should die that way.

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Or the atheist recruitment motto:
"Be an atheist.
Inflame your ego."
How about that theist motto?

"Be a Theist! You can worship anything you want, dragons, lizard mosquitoes on snow fire, it can be anything you imagine, after all, it's not like anyone can prove it doesn't exist.."

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, and that is why we say science is STILL correcting itself.
Thank you very much.
You say that like it is a bad thing! If you mean it to be, then you are as stupid as the come.

btw: Religion is not self-correcting and that is one of their major faults.

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By your modeling duplicating the same conditions?
And we do not know the specific conditions. That is what we are attempting to figure out.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Science corrected itself all through history, even under the Church. It is a process, not a religion. But you are trying to turn it into a religion.
Well, modern science did get a good kickstart under the Church.
The Church filled the void left by the collapse of the Roman Empire. The void included libraries and the exchange of information. The Church brought what survived back. They provided the education and facilities.
You listen to too many soundbites.
One more time.
It was Faraday and Maxwell, two devout theists, that are the absolute underpinnings of modern science. They dealt with this invisible force and turned it into the tool used since by modern physics and science.
Them directly.
Science has nothing to do with religion. Scientists are not out to prove whether your god or any other god exists or not. As scientists, they don't care.

How many scientists are christian? Does it matter? No.

How many scientists believe in a young Earth? Damn few! But does it matter? Not unless they are trying to bring that stupidity into real science! Or worse, into public classrooms.

How many scientists believe in Adam and Eve? Damn few! But does it matter? Not unless they are trying to bring that stupidity into real science! Or worse, into public classrooms.

If there was any credible evidence of Adam and Eve popping onto the planet, the first fully grown humans to ever exist, scientists would be all over that evidence trying to prove it wrong. Just like they do for every other bit of credible evidence.

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And the idiot hits keep on rolling! The enviroment would have to had been able to support life, wylie coyote, like today. And it is you SUPER GENIUSES who are stuck in the 1700's thinking spontaneous generation is a plausible idea.
No, not at all like life today. The earliest life existed when there was very little oxygen in the atmosphere. They were what is known as obligate anaerobes. In other words, oxygen was lethal to them. There are still many types of bacteria *today* for which this is true. If they are exposed to the air, they will die.

We know that the atmosphere at the time did not contain a lot of oxygen because of the nature of the iron deposits from that time. The iron is not oxygenated. Then, about 2 billion years ago, there was a change and a lot of the iron that was dissolved in the oceans precipitated because there was now enough oxygen to allow that to happen. The resulting deposits are called the red-band formations. Oh, and the oxygen? It was formed by living things as a by product of their chemical processes. One way we could detect life on planets orbiting other stars would be by the presence of free oxygen.

So, yes, life did exist before that and it existed in a world with very little free oxygen. That environment supported life, even though animal and plant life would not have been possible then (and, in fact, it didn't exist then).

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TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Science has nothing to do with religion. Scientists are not out to prove whether your god or any other god exists or not. As scientists, they don't care.
How many scientists are christian? Does it matter? No.
How many scientists believe in a young Earth? Damn few! But does it matter? Not unless they are trying to bring that stupidity into real science! Or worse, into public classrooms.
How many scientists believe in Adam and Eve? Damn few! But does it matter? Not unless they are trying to bring that stupidity into real science! Or worse, into public classrooms.
If there was any credible evidence of Adam and Eve popping onto the planet, the first fully grown humans to ever exist, scientists would be all over that evidence trying to prove it wrong. Just like they do for every other bit of credible evidence.
You are irrational in your beliefs and attempt to advance them.

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Yes, and that is why we say science is STILL correcting itself.
Thank you very much.
Unlike religion, which still wallows in the same mistakes as always. Science, by correcting its mistakes, learns about how the universe works and the same mistakes are not made a second time. So there is progress. It is never absolutely proven (no amount of observation can produce absolute proof of a general proposition), but the confidence can be quite high. And the error bars get smaller all the time.

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"Lavoisier is listed among eminent Roman Catholic scientists (see List of Roman Catholic cleric-scientists), and as such he defended his faith against those who attempted to use science to attack it. Louis Edouard Grimaux, author of the standard French biography of Lavoisier, and the first biographer to obtain access to Lavoisier's papers, writes the following:

Raised in a pious family which had given many priests to the Church, he had held to his beliefs. To Edward King, an English author who had sent him a controversial work, he wrote, "You have done a noble thing in upholding revelation and the authenticity of the Holy Scripture, and it is remarkable that you are using for the defense precisely the same weapons which were once used for the attack.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisie...

The Church didn't kill him.

He is on this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_of_scien...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_of_scien...

I guess I could go through and find out what their religious beliefs were. But I won't. Many were prominent while still under Church dominance.

So much for Church anti science.

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You are irrational in your beliefs and attempt to advance them.
Yes and you are my rock to which I anchor my life!

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Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>Have you seen the life around "Old Faithfull."
Ever seen snotites?

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polymath257 wrote:
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Unlike religion, which still wallows in the same mistakes as always. Science, by correcting its mistakes, learns about how the universe works and the same mistakes are not made a second time. So there is progress. It is never absolutely proven (no amount of observation can produce absolute proof of a general proposition), but the confidence can be quite high. And the error bars get smaller all the time.
Those 'error bars' are where all the gods live!

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Eyewitness accounts of human interaction with Him have been recorded and preserved for us in the Bible and are still recorded today.
But does such documented testimony satisfy skeptics? It never has, and it never will.
Even if God Himself appeared & performed miracles, you'd probably say He's an alien or something & make fun of theists for "twisting the truth".
Some of the people who knew of Christ's miracles later shouted for His blood. That would've been you.
What documented eyewitness testimony is there in the Bible?

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