Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#154920 Feb 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, quantum mechanics is a physical theory that uses math as its language. It hypothesizes about the processes and describes those processes mathematically. Furthermore, the use of mathematics means that the predictions can be tested and, if need be, the theory modified if it doesn't agree with reality. And *that* is how science is and should be done.
The math helps to understand the process. But, of course, you need to understand the math (and the physics) in order for it to be helpful.
No, quantum mechanics did not create the universe, but the universe *is* described by quantum mechanics, and the processes of the early universe require the mathematics to fully understand them. Without the precision of the math, the understanding is lessened, not increased.
Did you read my post about the gallon of gas?

Why would you not make it to the station?

That is the difference between your empirical math formulas and reality. You are applying values to the overall universe you have no way of knowing the value of, and doing your calculations based upon those erroneous values. Then you work other formulas in to account for the mistakes, then more to correct those, and on and on. The next thing is you are in an infinite loop of incorrect logic.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#154921 Feb 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Good boy, WAG1! Stay in the gaps where your god can stand a chance!
Your humor is like a square bowling ball, it's not getting the job done.

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#154922 Feb 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Did you read my post about the gallon of gas?
Why would you not make it to the station?
That is the difference between your empirical math formulas and reality. You are applying values to the overall universe you have no way of knowing the value of, and doing your calculations based upon those erroneous values. Then you work other formulas in to account for the mistakes, then more to correct those, and on and on. The next thing is you are in an infinite loop of incorrect logic.
I have to confess I get a little peeved about your elitist "understanding math" routine.

I understand math very well. I do billions of calculations every second. As does 7 billion other people. Why we can drive to the gas station. It is built into us.

What is not built into us is the formalized training and indoctrination in a particular form dictated by someone long ago that you suffer from.

Have you noticed my tendency to couch physics in terms relating to motion and polarity? That is because they are the underpinnings of our physical existence. Not numbers. Numbers can be used to quantify some of their aspects, but they don't guide them, and even less so created them.

SMACK!!!!

Good God, man!! Snap out of it, you have been hypnotized!!

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#154923 Feb 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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What does hubble show, as far back as it can?
Fully formed Galaxies?
Are you claiming something earlier than that has been seen, I cannot see how you could, as there is no documented evidence of such that I am aware of.
Peering far back in distance, is seeing far back in time.

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#154924 Feb 18, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
I think you missed the point
Which religion or belief will the USA not tolerate?
We pander to many pseudo beliefs.
And... all religions are false.
That's because the USA is a tolerant country with tolerant people....

Your point?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#154925 Feb 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So how did it form, if the physical laws were not there to form it with?
Your beliefs make no sense.
We are talking about the very early universe, before 500,000 years.
But the physical laws existed since minutes after the fact.

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#154926 Feb 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions ...
Pick the one that suits your sect!
Over 100 versions of god's word? Shouldn't that give some of you a clue that something just isn't right?
Silly atheist....

It's in different versions for different languages....

“cdesign proponentsists”

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Pittsburgh, PA

#154927 Feb 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I have to confess I get a little peeved about your elitist "understanding math" routine.
I understand math very well. I do billions of calculations every second. As does 7 billion other people. Why we can drive to the gas station. It is built into us.
What is not built into us is the formalized training and indoctrination in a particular form dictated by someone long ago that you suffer from.
Have you noticed my tendency to couch physics in terms relating to motion and polarity? That is because they are the underpinnings of our physical existence. Not numbers. Numbers can be used to quantify some of their aspects, but they don't guide them, and even less so created them.
SMACK!!!!
Good God, man!! Snap out of it, you have been hypnotized!!
Shhh! dave is talking to himself!

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#154928 Feb 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Silly atheist....
It's in different versions for different languages....
LOL! 44 of them are in English!

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#154929 Feb 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Peering far back in distance, is seeing far back in time.
That is assumed distance, and thus assumed time.

Your measurements of them are based upon assumptions made here.

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#154930 Feb 18, 2013
There is no difference between the divination systems of the Kabbalah, I Ching, astrology, various and sundry other systems based upon math, and modern physics.

They are all sects of the same core belief system. Numbers don't lie and determine your fate.

Modern physics just says it is the true one. The rest are infidels and pagans. They are old and archaic, not bright, shiny, and new like theirs. BTW, there are some Islamists that say the same newness makes theirs the correct one.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#154933 Feb 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions ...
Pick the one that suits your sect!
Over 100 versions of god's word? Shouldn't that give some of you a clue that something just isn't right?
In reference to the number of interpretations to the bible. It is a free market and groups have tried the maximize the number of sells. If they make a new version then perhaps people will by it and bring profits up. Kind of like a new model change every other year for the Chevrolet.

In 2006, there were approximately 45,000 different types of wine being produced in the world. Recently that number was increased to 75,000. But all these wines have something in common, fermentation and alcohol.

The King James Version is probably the least altered version in history. The Amplified is a good version that makes it more simple to understand. We have little control over the free market of the number one seller of all times.

http://mykitchenpot.com/wine-tip-10-how-many-...

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#154934 Feb 18, 2013
The power of prayers. You hear from the Topix atheists mocking that a lot.

Let me tell you about a time in our history. It was a time where the only real translation of theoretical physics was turned into technology.

Scientists created nifty things that could turn millions into toast in seconds. If you were a child of the 50's and early 60's you know what I am talking about.

Every night millions of little children and their parents prayed they wouldn't be toast come breakfast time, especially in this country.

The scientists? They lived the good life designing bigger and better toasters, and ways to deliver them. They had no way to protect against them, or to undo the lasting effects they would produce.

They certainly weren't the reason we survived that time.

Fifty years ago last November the efforts and contributions of those scientists to humankind almost bore fruit.

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#154935 Feb 18, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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In reference to the number of interpretations to the bible. It is a free market and groups have tried the maximize the number of sells. If they make a new version then perhaps people will by it and bring profits up. Kind of like a new model change every other year for the Chevrolet.
In 2006, there were approximately 45,000 different types of wine being produced in the world. Recently that number was increased to 75,000. But all these wines have something in common, fermentation and alcohol.
The King James Version is probably the least altered version in history. The Amplified is a good version that makes it more simple to understand. We have little control over the free market of the number one seller of all times.
http://mykitchenpot.com/wine-tip-10-how-many-...
Well, at least five other sites/people plagiarized the wine bit, so I guess you are alright.

WAG2 was just saying something about how stupid some people are that they can only copy from others.

WAG2 you need to talk to WAG1!
bohart

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#154936 Feb 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Which part are you calling an opinion?
We do not know the mechanism.
NONE of the atoms in your body is alive.
None of the basic components from which you are made is alive.
An oxygen atom or a hydrogen atom are 'dead, lifeless, sterile material'.
The same can be said for every other chemical element, but you are completely made from such elements.
In other words, YOU, a living thing, are made from dead, lifeless, sterile materials.
You really should think about this point.
Everything alive is made from atoms and those are all, according to your language, dead, lifeless sterial materials.
The point is that chemical elements are NOT sterile in the sense that they interact with other chemical elements in complex and interesting ways.
And it is in the variety of those interactions that we get life.
There is no 'life substance' that is added to 'dead lifeless atoms' to obtain life.
Which statement are you having trouble with?
You said, you a living thing are made..
everything alive is made ...

See we can agree ,..we are made.

You admit to not knowing the mechanism , then contradict that at the end by saying , no life substance is added to dead lifeless atoms to obtain life.

Everything is made of matter, something IS REQUIRED to activate that matter to life, and its not part of the matter.Its beyond science and telling the same old lies will not change it.The absolute best science can say is we don't know, to say as you do that nothing else is required is a personal opinion backed by nothing but your belief.

The testable hypotheses with repeatable results states life only comes from existing life.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#154937 Feb 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is assumed distance, and thus assumed time.
Your measurements of them are based upon assumptions made here.
So refute what you will.
Do you object to the figures in distance or time?
Or do you just object, for lack of anything better to do?
bohart

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#154938 Feb 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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There was no opinion in Poly's post.
That's all verified fact.
Deal with it.
look up testable and repeatable , you don't know what that means do you.

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#154939 Feb 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> So refute what you will.
Do you object to the figures in distance or time?
Or do you just object, for lack of anything better to do?
I object to them being used as absolutes on a universal scale. As I have pointed out a few times, matter in this gravity well will be assembled different in other wells. The force will affect charge and distribution and observation. If it wasn't so, then there would not be fusion and fission.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#154940 Feb 18, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Well, at least five other sites/people plagiarized the wine bit, so I guess you are alright.
WAG2 was just saying something about how stupid some people are that they can only copy from others.
WAG2 you need to talk to WAG1!
I really think you have what it takes to be a stand up comic. With your talent you should make lots of money. I mean really, why havenít you been signed up with someone for a contract.

I could see you entertaining thousands in Las Vegas with your own show. Why havenít you tried out in some of the comedy shops in Pittsburgh?

Man, you need to put that talent to work. I mean I just canít hardly stop laughing your so damn good. Does it come natural to you or do you have to work at it?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#154941 Feb 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I object to them being used as absolutes on a universal scale. As I have pointed out a few times, matter in this gravity well will be assembled different in other wells. The force will affect charge and distribution and observation. If it wasn't so, then there would not be fusion and fission.
Nothing is ever absolute , except in horseshoes and hand grenades.

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