Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#154586 Feb 16, 2013
I think he stepped on his Johnson.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Posted by Langoliers:(but I agree 100% with)
"Givemeliberty wrote:
I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
<quoted text>
"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "
OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!
You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!
Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!
Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!
Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family"

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154587 Feb 16, 2013
Turkey wrote:
<quoted text> I nominate Dave for nobel prize. Or perhaps Buck and Dave in collaboration for nobel prize.
Obama got one... Anyone can.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154588 Feb 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
We can't even say he existed.
<quoted text>
"We"?!

Oh, you & your retarded Topix atheists buddies.

Ya.
Con

Katowice, Poland

#154589 Feb 16, 2013
I would like your comment of the following

Independent Non Christian sources on the existence of Christ Jesus
1 -Cornelius Tacitus Non Christian (56 – 117AD) historian and Roman Senator in a passage ‘Annales, book 15, verse 44’ refers to Christ, Pontius Pilate and a mass executions of Christians. General scholarly view considers Tacitus to be authentic

2 – Flavius Joseph a Romano-Jewish historian (37-100AD) Book 20 Chapter 9,1 "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference

- How does one explain what happened in Portugal at Fatima in 1917,“The Miracle of the Sun” which was witnessed by an estimated 30,000 – 70,000 people? Witnesses included Masons, Communists, Atheists and Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...

- How to explain the Apparation of Mary in Egypt Cairo 1968 witnessed by thousands called Our Lady of Zeitoun?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeit...

- How to explain the miraculous healing of people in Lourdes France and in Bosnia-Hercegovina in a place called Medjugorje where 100,000’s of people go annually.

- How to explain the wounds on the hands, feet and side of Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
(1887 – 1968) which were those of Jesus & his ability to read people and physically heal people all in the name of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_of_Pietrelci...

-How to explain how Holy woman Alexandria da Costa (1904-1955) survived for many years only the Eucharist. Verified by independent doctors on a 40 day monitoring program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrina_of_B...

- How to explain how Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 – 1824) had wounds which were those of Jesus on her body.

This is just a small sample of unnatural phenomena attributed to God's intervention.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154590 Feb 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No it's a legit question as not all Christians believe Jesus was god. Many believe he was merely the son of god and completely separate. They passionately believe in Jesus just not that he is god.
You have lived a sheltered Fox News life so you don't know this.
<quoted text>
*sigh*

Ask a Christian that believes in Jesus "which god?" & they'll answer "God".

Ask a Christian that doesn't believe in Jesus "which god?" & they'll answer "God".

Very simple to deduce.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154591 Feb 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
They have medicine for hearing voices, you need not suffer.
<quoted text>
Dude, don't try to sell meth on Topix.......

Since: Dec 12

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#154592 Feb 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ask a Christian that believes in Jesus "which god?" & they'll answer "God".
I'm sure they've memorized everything they're told to.
Imhotep

Bartow, FL

#154593 Feb 16, 2013
Con wrote:
I would like your comment of the following
Independent Non Christian sources on the existence of Christ Jesus
1 -Cornelius Tacitus Non Christian (56 – 117AD) historian and Roman Senator in a passage ‘Annales, book 15, verse 44’ refers to Christ, Pontius Pilate and a mass executions of Christians. General scholarly view considers Tacitus to be authentic
2 – Flavius Joseph a Romano-Jewish historian (37-100AD) Book 20 Chapter 9,1 "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference
- How does one explain what happened in Portugal at Fatima in 1917,“The Miracle of the Sun” which was witnessed by an estimated 30,000 – 70,000 people? Witnesses included Masons, Communists, Atheists and Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...
- How to explain the Apparation of Mary in Egypt Cairo 1968 witnessed by thousands called Our Lady of Zeitoun?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeit...
- How to explain the miraculous healing of people in Lourdes France and in Bosnia-Hercegovina in a place called Medjugorje where 100,000’s of people go annually.
- How to explain the wounds on the hands, feet and side of Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
(1887 – 1968) which were those of Jesus & his ability to read people and physically heal people all in the name of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_of_Pietrelci...
-How to explain how Holy woman Alexandria da Costa (1904-1955) survived for many years only the Eucharist. Verified by independent doctors on a 40 day monitoring program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrina_of_B...
- How to explain how Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 – 1824) had wounds which were those of Jesus on her body.
This is just a small sample of unnatural phenomena attributed to God's intervention.
This is much smaller ;)

Supposed Jesus witnesses

Josephus - Born 37 CE
Phlegon - Born about 80 CE
Tacitus - Born 56 CE
Pliny the Younger - Born 61 CE
Suetonious - Born about 69 CE
The Babylonian Talmud - 200CE
Lucian - Born 125 CE
Phlegon - 2nd century

How exactly are these guys witnesses to something that happened before they were even born?

Hearsay isn't admissible in court for a reason ;)

Tacitus was born in 56 CE, more than two decades after the alleged execution.

In fact, his writings about Jesus were done in 116 CE. This cannot be anything but 3rd hand (if not 4th or 5th) retelling, and the historical validity of the tale is therefore nil.

Since he was the first to write about it, where did he get the info? Surely not from earlier writings, right?

Those 'scholars' are therefore speaking through their hat.
bohart

Newport, TN

#154594 Feb 16, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
My GOD said 4 + 4 = 8. Your god did not answer. Maybe he is busy somewhere else?
I guess he thought since you are an Atheist,you wouldn't believe him anyway.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#154595 Feb 16, 2013
Con wrote:
I would like your comment of the following
Independent Non Christian sources on the existence of Christ Jesus
1 -Cornelius Tacitus Non Christian (56 – 117AD) historian and Roman Senator in a passage ‘Annales, book 15, verse 44’ refers to Christ, Pontius Pilate and a mass executions of Christians. General scholarly view considers Tacitus to be authentic
2 – Flavius Joseph a Romano-Jewish historian (37-100AD) Book 20 Chapter 9,1 "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference
Josephus also wrote of Heracles. Josephus wrote about many mythical deities.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...

Josephus wrote about other deities more than the mythical Jesus! deity. Using Christian logic, we should believe in all of the deities, not just the Jesus!, yes?

The Tacitus reference is questioned too, and evidences some tampering.
http://www.natzraya.org/Articles/Christian/Ch...

The mentions written down by Tacitus, Josephus, Eusebius etc..., are only representing the legend or myth surrounding the Jesus! They wrote down what was purported to be. Nothing more. They do not represent first hand knowledge of anything except what was purported to be, and that was long after what was alleged to have happened.
Con wrote:
- How does one explain what happened in Portugal at Fatima in 1917,“The Miracle of the Sun” which was witnessed by an estimated 30,000 – 70,000 people? Witnesses included Masons, Communists, Atheists and Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...
PANGU did it?
Con wrote:
- How to explain the Apparation of Mary in Egypt Cairo 1968 witnessed by thousands called Our Lady of Zeitoun?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeit...
Marduk did it?
Con wrote:
- How to explain the miraculous healing of people in Lourdes France and in Bosnia-Hercegovina in a place called Medjugorje where 100,000’s of people go annually.
- How to explain the wounds on the hands, feet and side of Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
(1887 – 1968) which were those of Jesus & his ability to read people and physically heal people all in the name of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_of_Pietrelci...
Zeus did it?
Con wrote:
-How to explain how Holy woman Alexandria da Costa (1904-1955) survived for many years only the Eucharist. Verified by independent doctors on a 40 day monitoring program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrina_of_B...
Quetzalcoatl did it?
Con wrote:
- How to explain how Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 – 1824) had wounds which were those of Jesus on her body.
This is just a small sample of unnatural phenomena attributed to God's intervention.
Odin did it?

Natural occurrences attributed to imagined miracles?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#154596 Feb 16, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
This is much smaller ;)
Supposed Jesus witnesses
Josephus - Born 37 CE
Phlegon - Born about 80 CE
Tacitus - Born 56 CE
Pliny the Younger - Born 61 CE
Suetonious - Born about 69 CE
The Babylonian Talmud - 200CE
Lucian - Born 125 CE
Phlegon - 2nd century
How exactly are these guys witnesses to something that happened before they were even born?
Hearsay isn't admissible in court for a reason ;)
Tacitus was born in 56 CE, more than two decades after the alleged execution.
In fact, his writings about Jesus were done in 116 CE. This cannot be anything but 3rd hand (if not 4th or 5th) retelling, and the historical validity of the tale is therefore nil.
Since he was the first to write about it, where did he get the info? Surely not from earlier writings, right?
Those 'scholars' are therefore speaking through their hat.

I take it your membership to the babbling buffoons has expired.
You know you are crazy, if you question the fundielogic behind
the keep them stupid policy of "The Church". They may accuse you of being a witch or a sorcerer , if you show signs of "intelligence". Best to play dumb until they invent thinking in these parts.:)

Since: Dec 12

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#154597 Feb 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Obama got one... Anyone can.
Except you religitard.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#154598 Feb 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, don't try to sell meth on Topix.......
It's good of you to offer your personal experiences on that subject.

Since: Dec 12

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#154599 Feb 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh, you & your retarded Topix atheists buddies.
Then pretend you're in a court of law and present your evidence. If you have none, then we rest our case religitard.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#154600 Feb 16, 2013
Con wrote:
I would like your comment of the following

Independent Non Christian sources on the existence of Christ Jesus
1 -Cornelius Tacitus Non Christian (56 – 117AD) historian and Roman Senator in a passage ‘Annales, book 15, verse 44’ refers to Christ, Pontius Pilate and a mass executions of Christians. General scholarly view considers Tacitus to be authentic

2 – Flavius Joseph a Romano-Jewish historian (37-100AD) Book 20 Chapter 9,1 "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference

- How does one explain what happened in Portugal at Fatima in 1917,“The Miracle of the Sun” which was witnessed by an estimated 30,000 – 70,000 people? Witnesses included Masons, Communists, Atheists and Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_S...

- How to explain the Apparation of Mary in Egypt Cairo 1968 witnessed by thousands called Our Lady of Zeitoun?
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeit...

- How to explain the miraculous healing of people in Lourdes France and in Bosnia-Hercegovina in a place called Medjugorje where 100,000Â’s of people go annually.

- How to explain the wounds on the hands, feet and side of Saint Pio of Pietrelcina
(1887 – 1968) which were those of Jesus & his ability to read people and physically heal people all in the name of Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_of_Pietrelci...

-How to explain how Holy woman Alexandria da Costa (1904-1955) survived for many years only the Eucharist. Verified by independent doctors on a 40 day monitoring program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrina_of_B...

- How to explain how Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774 – 1824) had wounds which were those of Jesus on her body.

This is just a small sample of unnatural phenomena attributed to God's intervention.
And there's this:

http://jesustoasters.com/

Free Twinkie with every order.

Miracles on demand!
Imhotep

Bartow, FL

#154601 Feb 16, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I take it your membership to the babbling buffoons has expired.
You know you are crazy, if you question the fundielogic behind
the keep them stupid policy of "The Church". They may accuse you of being a witch or a sorcerer , if you show signs of "intelligence". Best to play dumb until they invent thinking in these parts.:)
Simply put, evidence of belief is not evidence of reality – and if that line of argument had any validity it would better validate the 3000 plus years of Egyptian and Indian deities, and the almost as long-lived Gods of Greece and northern Europe!

The deceit is continued with testimony from "expert believers" showcased as 'evidence' for a god whose existence was questioned even in the 2nd century.

Know God
Know nothing
No God
No problem

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#154602 Feb 16, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess he thought since you are an Atheist,you wouldn't believe him anyway.
You guess!?!? Well hey, how about you ask your god and question? If you get the right answer from your god, then I will believe!

I have a calendar in my den, what is the theme?

What? Your god will no play? Why not? It would bring glory to him. Isn't that the main criteria for him?

No worries, I understand.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#154603 Feb 16, 2013
Odd had their god has the power to do anything, yet does nothing.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#154604 Feb 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
A small group of volunteers in Russia who were trying to peacefully teach reason to potential Czar supporters, formed in 1929 declined to compete insignificance in 1940 and closed shop in 1947.
Churches never closed and children were made to get a proper education. Such wickedness!
But then again you being a Muslim woman have had your genitals mutilated and that has messed you up.
<quoted text>
Please supply all of your sources.
seriously

Phoenix, AZ

#154605 Feb 16, 2013
I'm so cornfused. there are so many gods which one is it?

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