Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Sorry sparky, science & religion is NOT cohesive... Just the opposite. The last thing that religion wants is for science to prove that your "god" does not exist. That would put them out of business sparky.
I think you meant to say pseudo-science & religion.
Of course they can co-exist, so long as one does not try to pass itself off as the other.

For example, don't ask one of the books in the Bible, such as Genesis, to furnish you with scientific facts or information about how old the earth is.

In turn, don't ask a science book to teach you how to pray.

I see no reason why God could not have created the basic building blocks for life and then allowed it to continue independently from Him.

I believe in both God and evolution, Who's to say evolution isn't part of God's plan?

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Atheist are not alone in caring what radical extreme terrorist do. It may be a shock to you but I have never been to a terrorist school nor have I been trained to fly airplanes into buildings. If I remember the United States came under attack that day, all of us citizens of this country were the enemy.
I also stand with you when it comes to choices in birth control. I canít speak for Catholics but I would bet a lot of them practice birth control. Iím against abortion as a birth control method. Mainly because prevention is always the preferred and safest method. Abortion is a ghastly method.
I stand with Atheist when it comes to separation of Church and State. So far Iím 3 for 3 on your side of things. Now I disagree with you on what bothers Atheist when it comes to Christianity. Lets face it Christianity is the only religion Atheist are openly against. Because Christians wonít blow your legs off at the kneecaps like the Muslims will.
So we take the brunt of your hate. Which is more in line with the Hatfieldís and McCoyís. Atheist have been fighting Christians and Christianity for so long they have forgot what it is they are fighting about. They just know they are supposed to hate Christians as evidence of the post we receive here on topix.
Iíve seen here in the last 5 years in my city. Atheist leaders tried to prevent a Church from operating on the main road in town. They tried to zone out the church. The church owned the property and the building but the city government said,ďNo churches here, Sorry you have to build on the back side of town where no one can see you.Ē
Iím happy to say the City lost when it was realized the Federal Government prevents municipalities from zoning out churches. So Iíve seen first hand Atheist try to prevent religious freedom. We are certainly hated by Atheist.
To the point Atheist are bothered about sharing the same air.
This is a long rant I apologize. Ever since the 1700ís Christianity has accepted science and scientific research. We are living in modern times and yes Christians support science. That doesnít mean we support pseudo science and if you study your evolution history. You will find it has been chocked full of frauds, and forged science. More so than any other science.
Nicely put, Eagle. Well done.

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Then I have to say that you guys really need to step up your efforts.
Either that, or stop praying that 15,000,000 children die of starvation every year, among other things.
"The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator. It was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) from 1998 to 2008, with the aim of allowing physicists to test the predictions of different theories of particle physics and high-energy physics, and particularly prove or disprove the existence of the hypothesized Higgs boson[1] and of the large family of new particles predicted by supersymmetric theories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Col...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Col...

How many of those children died because the money to feed them was diverted to build a toy for theoretical physicists?

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Name one just one so called atheist leader that said his crimes were in the name of atheism.
There are none.

Nobody would stand before a crowd, hoping to get elected, and announce that they're an atheist.

Atheism is not a cause worth dying for.

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But you insist evolution is a myth.
No, I think parts of evolution are assumption.

I've never said anything about evolution being a myth, you inserted that bullshit.
And you think science and your religion are compatible!?
Absolutely.

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No.
I will ask you to describe your god, meaning your interpretation of the Christian god.
YOu just refuse to type "God", don't you?

Are you ascared?

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Garbage. go by what the *evidence* shows or suggests.

Centuries ago, we knew that flight was possible: birds fly all the time. We have yet to see *any* evidence of a supernatural.
See? You're not a freethinker. You're indoctrinated or brainwashed to think that something is not possibl unless there is evidence for it.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:

Oh boy.... Didn't you JUST ridicule ID as being only a hypothesis? And now you defend abiogenesis as if its fact?!
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Life exists, dipshit.
Yes.
It's a fact.
Unless you want to claim that either life doesn't exist or that we contain some kind of atoms that don't exist in non-living material.
Name one single atom that exists in living material that doesn't exist in non-living material.
Otherwise, STFU, moron.
Where the f_ck did you get from me that life doesn't exist?!

Quit being such a brick & try to pay attention.

YOU ridicule ID as only a hypothesis.

Then YOU praise abiogenisis as if it's fact.

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Who is trying to legislate away your right to believe in any foolishness you like?
Atheists.

Y'all started it back in the 60's when school prayer was banned.

And now y'all are whining that the President hosts public prayers...

Hows you're search for Bigfoot going?

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"Computing resources

Data produced by LHC, as well as LHC-related simulation, was estimated at approximately 15 petabytes per year (max throughput while running not stated).[90]

The LHC Computing Grid[91] was constructed to handle the massive amounts of data produced. It incorporated both private fiber optic cable links and existing high-speed portions of the public Internet, enabling data transfer from CERN to academic institutions around the world.[92]

The Open Science Grid is used as the primary infrastructure in the United States, and also as part of an interoperable federation with the LHC Computing Grid.

The distributed computing project LHC@home was started to support the construction and calibration of the LHC. The project uses the BOINC platform, enabling anybody with an Internet connection and a computer running Mac OSX, Windows or Linux,[93] to use their computer's idle time to simulate how particles will travel in the tunnel. With this information, the scientists will be able to determine how the magnets should be calibrated to gain the most stable "orbit" of the beams in the ring.[94] In August 2011, a second application went live (Test4Theory) which performs simulations against which to compare actual test data, to determine confidence levels of the results."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Col...

This is modern theoretical physics. Computer simulations built upon pre-conceived math models.

Smash and see if it splatters they way you think it will. If not, smash again. They do that with a lot of physics things. HAARP for one. Push the envelope.

The paragraph after that quoted deals with the concerns about doomsday. They assured it wouldn't happen. If they had that much knowledge about reactions, why did the need such am expensive machine?

Just say no to mad scientists.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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"The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator. It was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) from 1998 to 2008, with the aim of allowing physicists to test the predictions of different theories of particle physics and high-energy physics, and particularly prove or disprove the existence of the hypothesized Higgs boson[1] and of the large family of new particles predicted by supersymmetric theories."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Col...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Col...
How many of those children died because the money to feed them was diverted to build a toy for theoretical physicists?
None.

We already produce more than enough food to keep the entire population of the planet well fed.

There's just no profit in it.

Don't blame starvation on unrelated science research. You just look even more foolish, if that's possible.

And if you insist on reasoning that way, how many children could the money spent on the Iraq war have fed?

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Eagle12 wrote:
Sweets, prayer works the same way. If you don't make the effort you don't get the light. It doesnít work if you donít try.
I used to pretend that the carpet was lava.

I would jump around on the furniture to avoid an excruciating death.

It must have looked crazy to those people that didn't know that the carpet was lava.

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I used to pretend that the carpet was lava.
I would jump around on the furniture to avoid an excruciating death.
It must have looked crazy to those people that didn't know that the carpet was lava.
How did the furniture (which was sitting on the lava) not melt & burn?

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We already produce more than enough food to keep the entire population of the planet well fed.
There's just no profit in it.
How much profit is there for America to spend 75.7 billion dollars in 2011 (4 times higher than 4 years previous) to feed 46 million people?

Do your part or shut up about it.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>There are none.

Nobody would stand before a crowd, hoping to get elected, and announce that they're an atheist.

Atheism is not a cause worth dying for.
Neither is Christianity.

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Neither is Christianity.
YOu can't say that, you're not a Christian.

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None.
We already produce more than enough food to keep the entire population of the planet well fed.
There's just no profit in it.
Don't blame starvation on unrelated science research. You just look even more foolish, if that's possible.
And if you insist on reasoning that way, how many children could the money spent on the Iraq war have fed?
I wasn't passing judgment, I was merely pointing out how ridiculously hypocritical your morality is.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I don't have to pray for a sign. It's going to come anyway and you all will witness it in your appointed time.
I have always liked that answer!

fundie, "Prayer works!"

FreeThinker, "Show me."

fundie, "No!"

Normally followed by on of the following:

a: Don't tempt god.
b: You wouldn't believe it anyway.
c: Look at a baby; it's that proof enough?

Or, of course, there is the occasional

fundie, "OK! I'll pray the the sun will rise tomorrow morning!" {giggle}{giggle}

fundie, "OK! I'll pray that you wake up in the morning!" {giggle}{giggle}

Why don't today's believers have the balls that Elijah did?

Hmmm, maybe because Elijah is just another make believe story?

Or, today's christians are just wimps pretending to believe.

Is there a third option?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nobody would stand before a crowd, hoping to get elected, and announce that they're an atheist.

Atheism is not a cause worth dying for.
Is christianity worth dying for?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
How did the furniture (which was sitting on the lava) not melt & burn?
Don't scrutinize my beliefs!!!

You just have to have faith!!!

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