Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#154216 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Lying again Dave. How very Christian of you --
It actually started as a conversation between Redneck and I when he (again) falsely accused people of teaching evolution as "pure fact".
To which I explained (somewhat curtly I will admit) that we don't teach any scientific theory as fact, but that the amount of evidence for biological evolution is such that it would be unreasonable to withhold tacit approval for this theory.
You jumped into the middle claiming abiogenesis was the real issue:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I pointed out that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of biological evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
You ignored that and ask for proof for abiogenesis:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I again noted that abiogenesis is not evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
And then you tried to deflect it into an accusation that I was not following the discussion.
BTW, your link to that jumping in doesn't seem to fit in. You find the right one and get back to us.

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#154217 Feb 14, 2013

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#154218 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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They are magnetic.
:o)

Jus messin witcha dave..........

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154219 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I covered abiogenesis and how it is inserted into evolution theory in my jumping in there.
No you didn't. You asserted it without substantiating your assertion.

You still haven't.

Just because you want to make this false correlation, doesn't make it true.

You also tried to insert ID as if it were science, but you have not met the standard of science to even claim it as science any more than voodoo or astrology is.

And I know we have discussed what a theory is before, so you can't claim ignorance unless it is more than just a claim.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154220 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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BTW, your link to that jumping in doesn't seem to fit in. You find the right one and get back to us.
Nope, that was the conversation.

You can see at each step what the comment was that the reply was addressed to and it goes step by step.

If you'd care to find any side comment that fits into this discussion, please cite your reference.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154221 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post154133
Never mind, there it is.
Ok, ignore my reply to you a moment ago. You found it, just as I cited it.

“Ditat Deus”

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#154222 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, kind of like fire and gasoline. Hahahaha...
Honey, your car wouldn't work without fire & gasoline.....

“Ditat Deus”

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#154223 Feb 14, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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ANY bad legislation.
Nothing specific? Who gets to determine what is "bad"?

Personally, I think it's "bad" legislation to force people to wear seat belts, or to force them into buying auto insurance if they've never benn in an accident...

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#154224 Feb 14, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Yeah! And if the high school navy rotc says that there is no life in the cosmos, it's because he has been everywhere to see for himself!
Now shut the fuck up and listen to the boy! Everyone of his characters is richer, smarter, has better children, a bigger house, and fancier cars than you will ever have!
Golly Gee man,[blushing] you didn’t have to say it like that. Now I’m all embarrassed, ah shucks.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#154225 Feb 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You're not too bright are ya?

Religion & religious ideas get a free pass BECAUSE of the 1st Amendment.

In turn, non-religious ideas ALSO get a free pass.

If you are implying that you don't want religion to get a few pass, then you are wanting to alter the 1st Amendment
You get to have your beliefs.

That doesn't mean nobody can question them.

If your beliefs were valid, they would stand up to questioning.

That you think religion is somehow protected from inquiry just shows that you already know your beliefs are bogus.

“Ditat Deus”

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#154226 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
Why? Biological evolution doesn't address, nor is it dependent on, how life started.
"Life on Earth originated and then evolved from a universal common ancestor approximately 3.8 billion years ago."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Sounds like evolution's theory is dependant on the origin of life...

“Ditat Deus”

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#154227 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You wish.
I actually paid attention in school, read, studied, visited museums (one of my favs is Museum national d'histoire naturelle in Paris).
You should try it some times.
I also paid attention in school, read, studied and visited museums.

BUT - I always kept an open mind, I was always skeptical.

It's funny how you so-called "skeptics" are ONLY skeptical when it comes to religions & gods.

“Ditat Deus”

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#154228 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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And when we find evidence of life on Mars what will your apologetic be?
"when" we find life on Mars?

You are no skeptic. You are no free-thinker. You're indoctrinated.

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#154229 Feb 14, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
:o)
Jus messin witcha dave..........
You should find more constructive things to do in your spare time.

I've got idiots to slap around on here. I'm kinda drawn to them. Have this irresistible urge. This compulsion. I can't fight it.

:-)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#154230 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Lying again Dave. How very Christian of you --
It actually started as a conversation between Redneck and I when he (again) falsely accused people of teaching evolution as "pure fact".
To which I explained (somewhat curtly I will admit) that we don't teach any scientific theory as fact, but that the amount of evidence for biological evolution is such that it would be unreasonable to withhold tacit approval for this theory.
You jumped into the middle claiming abiogenesis was the real issue:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I pointed out that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of biological evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
You ignored that and ask for proof for abiogenesis:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I again noted that abiogenesis is not evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
And then you tried to deflect it into an accusation that I was not following the discussion.
Actually evolution is a fact...and a theory.
But since we quit naming facts laws , there is no law of evolution.

But scientifically there's no difference between from Newtons second and the observed fact of biological evolution.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#154231 Feb 14, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Even you must know that's nonsense. What atheist is 'okay with mass murder'? Some mass-murderers may not have been religious, but that doesn't mean religion is any defence against mass-murder.
I would also ask: whoever heard of an atheist suicide bomber? 9/11 (and possibly Egyptair 990) were the work of religious fanatics. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god(s).
The simple fact is that religion is divisive and supports sectarianism on the scale of Zionism and Islamism.
From:
http://newageislam.com/islam-and-sectarianism...
Wednesday's bombings of a Shia Muslim neighbourhood in the Pakistani city of Quetta that killed almost 100 people is a grim reminder of the power of sectarian militants to act as the arbiters of peace - and war - in this country...
Figures released by the Balochistan government place the number of Shias killed in the province between 2008 and 2012 at 758...
The hatred these Sunni militant groups bear towards Shia Muslims is fundamentally theological although the groups' origins date back to the late 1970s, the time of neighbouring Iran's Shia revolution
Unquote.
No doubt religion accounts for turmoil now and throughout history. But what bothers many Christians is this attitude that all the worlds problems are due to religion. This is when we bring up the hundreds of millions that have died by the hand of Atheist leadership from communism.

Atheism doesn’t not have a clean slate. The track record for Atheist leadership is pretty damn dismal when it comes to human rights. Why wear blinders and pretend that Atheism historically doesn’t have blood on their hands?

“Ditat Deus”

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#154232 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Yes, numerous Treasurer have put it on various coinage, but it was NOT put into law until 1956.
You didn't even bother to read the link... You're afraid of being wrong.

You're wrong. Read the damn link, it's from the US Treasury Dept, not a blog.

"The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864."
"Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865."

===

I know I'm just a Redneck, but I'm pretty sure an Act of Congress is law and I'm pretty sure that 1864 is before 1953.....

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#154233 Feb 14, 2013
Of course nobody can prove life didn't originate by all natural and observable devices. Why? Because that's where all the evidence is leading us. We no longer need to place it on some invisible sky wizard. We have progressed past the ancients in that regards.

Well some of us have anyways.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Can anybody?
Nope.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#154234 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." ~ Einstein
Yet these religulous people on these threads are like broken records. Every few days that repeat the same lame arguments, and we once again point out the stupidity of their arguments.
But I do try to be patient (well, most of the time) just in case someone is reading the thread without participating and really does want answers.
You are no doubt an intelligent man. Why does it bother you that Christians and others choose to live free and believe in religious freedom?

What do you hope to accomplish here?

You have the right to believe how you want and we want you to have that freedom.

Yet you seem to be bothered that we are enjoying the same air your breath.

Christianity is not imposing upon you. No one is making you do anything. Actually Atheism has done more for Christianity than you can image. By enforcing separation from Church and State. Other non Christian faiths are prevented from gaining a foothold in our governments and schools. That Sir is a blessing in disguise.

Now if we could get the schools to throw out the occult and Greek Mythology we would be doing much better.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#154235 Feb 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Honey, your car wouldn't work without fire & gasoline.....
i know many cars that doesn't need fire and gasoline

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