Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154196 Feb 14, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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The fact scientist have not been able to see life self create from sterile soil and rocks is enough proof. It has not happened in laboratory experiments. It hasnít happened on Mars or anywhere in the cosmos.
And when we find evidence of life on Mars what will your apologetic be?

Since: Sep 08

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#154197 Feb 14, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Not even close to what Jazz guitarist do. Give it up numbnuts, you know nothing about music and are impressed with flying fingers and no substance.
You are insane.

Buckethead do jazz, too. Lots of dubbing. All sorts of things. He has put out 40 albums. He composed most of his own stuff.

Since: Sep 08

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#154198 Feb 14, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Just for you, something you can understand, something that is musically on your level. Something you can easily relate to....ready......row row row your boat....gently down the stream...you know the rest, have fun with it. LOL How does it feel to completely embarrass yourself in front of everyone? Dickwad!!!!!
Oompah oompah oompah oompah

A one anna two anna three

Have I reached your level yet?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154199 Feb 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Here's a better link for ya:
http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages...
Oh ya, you're still wrong, by about 100 years.
Yes, numerous Treasurer have put it on various coinage, but it was NOT put into law until 1956.

I was born in 1953. "god" was added to our pledge in 1954.

And look at the problems we have now with church-state separation issues. Like I said divided by "god" and the Catholics.

But you keep whining, it becomes you.

Since: Sep 08

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#154200 Feb 14, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>If it wasn't a gimmick he would have NO reason to look so ridiculous, it a gimmick because his music is so vapid, get over it.
Music IS NOT written by MATH, sorry you're so stupid.
Did you know they dedicated a song to you in the Wizard Of OZ. Its called IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN!!!
Like I said, you ain't got no poetry in you.

Not only does it give him a private life, concealing his identity a bit, but is also a platform for listening to the music. Kind of a music arising from a statue sort of thing. A faceless source of soul. Kiss and your other musical idols are all showbiz.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154201 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your logic system is a bit crippled, as is your ability to follow a discussion.
Well, it is easy to see that your reply here doesn't actually address anything.

Care to elucidate?

Since: Sep 08

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#154202 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oompah oompah oompah oompah
A one anna two anna three
Have I reached your level yet?


Capture that with your oompahs.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#154203 Feb 14, 2013
Anybody here know anything about magnets?
Lincoln

United States

#154204 Feb 14, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>None of their actions were motivated by atheism and none would have been any better for being religious.
Religion = superstition
Atheists can not be trusted with power.
Ask anyone who has lived under communism

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#154205 Feb 14, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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The fact scientist have not been able to see life self create from sterile soil and rocks is enough proof. It has not happened in laboratory experiments. It hasnít happened on Mars or anywhere in the cosmos.
Yeah! And if the high school navy rotc says that there is no life in the cosmos, it's because he has been everywhere to see for himself!

Now shut the fuck up and listen to the boy! Everyone of his characters is richer, smarter, has better children, a bigger house, and fancier cars than you will ever have!

Since: Sep 08

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#154206 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Well, it is easy to see that your reply here doesn't actually address anything.
Care to elucidate?
The discussion was about creating life from raw materials. You went off on a tangent.

Man has been playing with chemistry since he first tasted dirt. No known cases of him producing life. You have modern chemistry with the latest knowledge and equipment and controlled conditions and they still haven't produced life from raw chemicals.

Now, you can take materials, chemicals, lay them out in a pattern, and apply juice and you get life. A Roomba is just as intelligent and alive as a bacteria. It also has the same expiration of it's power source over time.

Intelligent design. But you will have trouble grasping that.

Since: Feb 13

Fishers, IN

#154207 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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There are no verified recorded accounts of life ever appearing spontaneously. Lots of rumors, but science has always poo poohed them.
And there are no verified accounts of Deities creating life either.

So really what we're left with is an unknown. So to claim that because we have no evidence of life arising from organic macromolecules that therefore a God must have been involved is an appeal to ignorance, and hence fallacious.

That's why I just go with what the evidence shows. And where it is silent, so am I.
bohart

Newport, TN

#154208 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The discussion was about creating life from raw materials. You went off on a tangent.
Man has been playing with chemistry since he first tasted dirt. No known cases of him producing life. You have modern chemistry with the latest knowledge and equipment and controlled conditions and they still haven't produced life from raw chemicals.
Now, you can take materials, chemicals, lay them out in a pattern, and apply juice and you get life. A Roomba is just as intelligent and alive as a bacteria. It also has the same expiration of it's power source over time.
Intelligent design. But you will have trouble grasping that.
Hey Dave, couldn't you just lay your materials and chemicals out on a flat warm rock and wait , Oh say, a couple of billion years for it to assemble and start up on it's own? or would that be stupid?.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#154209 Feb 14, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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If an Atheist is responsible for mass murder itís perfectly fine according to Atheist.
If itís someone masquerading as a Christian then itís horrendous. This is why they never mention these Atheist Leaders you mentioned. Theyíre ok with it.
Even you must know that's nonsense. What atheist is 'okay with mass murder'? Some mass-murderers may not have been religious, but that doesn't mean religion is any defence against mass-murder.

I would also ask: whoever heard of an atheist suicide bomber? 9/11 (and possibly Egyptair 990) were the work of religious fanatics. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god(s).

The simple fact is that religion is divisive and supports sectarianism on the scale of Zionism and Islamism.

From:
http://newageislam.com/islam-and-sectarianism...
Wednesday's bombings of a Shia Muslim neighbourhood in the Pakistani city of Quetta that killed almost 100 people is a grim reminder of the power of sectarian militants to act as the arbiters of peace - and war - in this country...

Figures released by the Balochistan government place the number of Shias killed in the province between 2008 and 2012 at 758...

The hatred these Sunni militant groups bear towards Shia Muslims is fundamentally theological although the groups' origins date back to the late 1970s, the time of neighbouring Iran's Shia revolution
Unquote.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#154210 Feb 14, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Atheists can not be trusted with power.
Ask anyone who has lived under communism
You are simply prejudiced against atheists.

Since: Sep 08

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#154211 Feb 14, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
Anybody here know anything about magnets?
They are magnetic.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154212 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The discussion was about creating life from raw materials. You went off on a tangent.
Man has been playing with chemistry since he first tasted dirt. No known cases of him producing life. You have modern chemistry with the latest knowledge and equipment and controlled conditions and they still haven't produced life from raw chemicals.
Now, you can take materials, chemicals, lay them out in a pattern, and apply juice and you get life. A Roomba is just as intelligent and alive as a bacteria. It also has the same expiration of it's power source over time.
Intelligent design. But you will have trouble grasping that.
Lying again Dave. How very Christian of you --

It actually started as a conversation between Redneck and I when he (again) falsely accused people of teaching evolution as "pure fact".

To which I explained (somewhat curtly I will admit) that we don't teach any scientific theory as fact, but that the amount of evidence for biological evolution is such that it would be unreasonable to withhold tacit approval for this theory.

You jumped into the middle claiming abiogenesis was the real issue:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

I pointed out that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of biological evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

You ignored that and ask for proof for abiogenesis:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

I again noted that abiogenesis is not evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

And then you tried to deflect it into an accusation that I was not following the discussion.

Since: Sep 08

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#154213 Feb 14, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Dave, couldn't you just lay your materials and chemicals out on a flat warm rock and wait , Oh say, a couple of billion years for it to assemble and start up on it's own? or would that be stupid?.
That would be stupid. The garbage would pile up in the house waiting and the life would start there.

These idiots don't realize the odds against such a thing happening. First you have to get that magic zap to overcome equilibrium of the material, then you have to have the new energy flow survive the very energetic field it occurred in AND survive long enough to reproduce or replicate the process on its own. It would initially have to be supported and maintained by its environment to keep that energy flow going. Be advised this initial occurrence was highly likely to be of very low power, so very sensitive to its environment, meaning it could get wiped out very easily. That is ONE original spark of life. An alternative is this happening on a large scale, many, many sparks occurring and one or some lucking out and able to maintain the new channeling of energy. This was done in a very energetic phase of earth's development. Sort of like throwing your little piezoelectric lights from your shoes into a lava flow and expecting it to come out OK.

Of course, these clowns will say, Oh, it could happen.

We all know what to say about that.

Since: Sep 08

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#154214 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Lying again Dave. How very Christian of you --
It actually started as a conversation between Redneck and I when he (again) falsely accused people of teaching evolution as "pure fact".
To which I explained (somewhat curtly I will admit) that we don't teach any scientific theory as fact, but that the amount of evidence for biological evolution is such that it would be unreasonable to withhold tacit approval for this theory.
You jumped into the middle claiming abiogenesis was the real issue:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I pointed out that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of biological evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
You ignored that and ask for proof for abiogenesis:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
I again noted that abiogenesis is not evolution:
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
And then you tried to deflect it into an accusation that I was not following the discussion.
I covered abiogenesis and how it is inserted into evolution theory in my jumping in there.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154215 Feb 14, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Even you must know that's nonsense.....
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." ~ Einstein

Yet these religulous people on these threads are like broken records. Every few days that repeat the same lame arguments, and we once again point out the stupidity of their arguments.

But I do try to be patient (well, most of the time) just in case someone is reading the thread without participating and really does want answers.

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