Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

United States

#154134 Feb 14, 2013
And like a doting bride to be...
Buck Crick wrote:
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C'mon Dave. I'm on your side.

Since: Dec 12

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#154135 Feb 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God doesn't need religion.
Absolutly CORRECT. And I'm surprised that you can understand that, but it's refreshing to see. Baby steps. You're making progress.
Humans need it to attempt to understand God.
Too bad for you what you're describing is science, and NOT religion. Welcome to reality.

Since: Sep 08

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#154136 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Your "creator" is a prick.
Your creator creates a fatal condition called Exencephaly, where a babies brain painfully grows abnormally outside of the skull. What kind of god would create such a thing? What kind of "creator" would allow an innocent baby to needlessly suffer like that?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
Everyday in this world your "creator" puts 9 year old girls in harms way and makes it possible for them to continuously get raped by worthless azzholes. Your "creator" turns a blind eye to all of their suffering. What kind of god would induce such a life for a person? What kind of "creator" would allow a child to be put through such hell and suffer like that?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates starvation, and all the pain and suffering to goes along with it?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" turns a blind eye to sick and dying children suffering through no fault of their own?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates cancer, and then unleashes it on humans?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates earthquakes and volcanoes which cause senseless mass destruction?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" condones at least 6000 innocent children to be burned alive in Auschwitz?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" does nothing while innocent children are being molested and abused?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
But he loves you!
If the Creator kicked man out the door, then man did all of those things.

Address your anger toward man.

Since: Dec 12

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#154137 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Topix atheists make me sick.
And yet here you are. Weird.

Since: Sep 08

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#154138 Feb 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Dave wants to see your floppy man boobs he likes chunky men he admitted. You are perfect for Dave! You like he are Christian, you believe in intelligent design creation, you both hate reason and observable facts, you were with several men in prison and you are a big fatass with moobs!
You will be the bride since you got the cleavage and more voluptuous figure, Dave will be the toothless groom.
You can have your honeymoon at the buffet and test your magnetism with your new husband Dave!
I am so happy you two found each other.
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Sweet Cheeks, I don't want Buck. I want your ass. Just for a while.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#154139 Feb 14, 2013
Pascal's wager? Seriously?

Wow this is the best these idiots can do. What happens if you pick the wrong deity? There are only thousands of them and picking wrong is just as bad. Your god is just as invalid to someone of another faith as their god is invalid to you.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh boy...
What happens if you win the bet?(you're wrong)
What happens if you lose the bet?(you're right)

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154140 Feb 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes. And it has served America well for 237 years and will continue to serve us well.
I'll agree that some things should change, so long as it doesn't undermine our core American values.
I'm all for American tradition. I want it to stay that way. I want America to continue to prosper as its always done.
You people seem to want to reinvent the wheel. If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it.
American tradition? When I was born, "god" wasn't in our pledge nor on our money. That's American tradition.

The Catholics (lobbying by the Knights of Columbus) changes us from "on nation indivisable" to one nation divided by god. But driving a wedge into our secular government is something Catholics have been wanting to do since our inception.

The most notable aspect of our American Constitution was that it was the first time a country founded it's government on "We the people" instead of divine fiat.

Since: Dec 12

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#154141 Feb 14, 2013
Darth Bob wrote:
I don't even really like the term atheist. I just go by nullafidian -- that is a person without any beliefs.
Meh…. the religitards will only start a new thread entitled "Nullafidians require as much faith as religion." They're funny like that.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#154142 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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:-)
A picture is worth a thousand words. A song can sum it all up in minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YyChmkPKi0IXX
People are emotional creatures. It is part of the overall scheme of expression by higher powers. They push buttons and play notes to get some action going. Simple minds are math heads just plodding along.
You were in the Army. You know you have to be taught to march, to follow the cadence set by someone else. You and your fellow plodder alongers holler a lot and make noise with your hot air pumping machines trying to get everyone to follow your cadence. You don't realize you are the ones out of step.
Get some poetry in your soul. Get you a duduk and emote.
Yes, people are emotional creatures. Now provide some scientific evidence that #1.) There is a higher power...and #2) That it created a scheme of any kind. Good Luck with that GODBOT.

Some push buttons some move slides, some press keys, some draw bows, some pluck strings, of course you would know this if you weren't completely illiterate musically, and would never embarrass yourself by claiming all they do is "PUSH BUTTONS. Actually there are very few instruments were buttons are "pushed." Dumb ass!

I never had to march, always either a soloists or in a section. Shit for brains there are no instruments that you PUMP!!! Accordion maybe, but thats a reach, and not in a marching band. You don't know shit about music do you....admit it ands save yourself some serious embarrassment.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154143 Feb 14, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Of course you can. If people do something stupid, you blame them for doing something stupid. You don't say "oh well."
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No, you speak up and try to get it changed.
YOu seem to have missed the central portion of that post...... Here:

You see, that's how democracy works. A ballot or measure or law or something like that is put out there for all the people to vote, if the people vote this way or that, you just have to live with it.

There are plenty of new laws that I do not agree with, but I have to live with them because they are now law.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154144 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Your "creator" is a prick.
Your creator creates a fatal condition called Exencephaly, where a babies brain painfully grows abnormally outside of the skull. What kind of god would create such a thing? What kind of "creator" would allow an innocent baby to needlessly suffer like that?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
Everyday in this world your "creator" puts 9 year old girls in harms way and makes it possible for them to continuously get raped by worthless azzholes. Your "creator" turns a blind eye to all of their suffering. What kind of god would induce such a life for a person? What kind of "creator" would allow a child to be put through such hell and suffer like that?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates starvation, and all the pain and suffering to goes along with it?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" turns a blind eye to sick and dying children suffering through no fault of their own?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates cancer, and then unleashes it on humans?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" creates earthquakes and volcanoes which cause senseless mass destruction?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" condones at least 6000 innocent children to be burned alive in Auschwitz?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
What kind of "creator" does nothing while innocent children are being molested and abused?
I'll say it again, your "creator" is a prick.
But he loves you!
I'm reaching for straws here, but I'm gonna take a gamble & assume that you think God is a prick......

Since: Dec 12

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#154145 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
If the Creator kicked man out the door, then man did all of those things.
If the Creator kicked man out the door, then you don't need to suck his tit 24/7.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#154146 Feb 14, 2013
And now Dave is quoting genesis! So nice you have confirmed you are a creationist Christian.

Tell your preacher hello this Sunday and don't forget to put some money in the plate. You need to butter him up to do the ceremony for your new chunky bride Buck.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The Biblical story is mankind was cast out on his own after he got to big for his britches. The Creator was nice enough to make him some clothes before he threw man and the clothes out the door.
If man is so smart, why doesn't he solve that problem?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154147 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Well something certainly did, but you have yet to document that your "god" had anything to do with it.
Other than the feeble atheist argument of "You can't prove it", you've got nothing.

All the genius minds in all the world in all of history can't say that they know GOd didn't create the universe OR that God doesn't exist.

I'll take their word over yours.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154148 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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So what you're saying is that non-religious ideas should get a free pass from challenges and criticism. Okay, then stop challenging and criticizing non-religious ideas.
What non-religious ideas am I challenging?
Oh, that's not really what you meant. You meant that only your religion should get to use the 1st Amendment argument to stop other people from criticizing your religion.
Nope. I love the 1st Amendment. I love my right AND your right. I'd die to protect YOUR right to choose religion or to not choose religion.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154149 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
If a tradition is broken and based in superstition then it has no place in modern society. It will only hold us back, and that's NOT a good thing.
I said American tradition, HoneyBooBoo, not Christian tradition....

You're so stuck on hating Christianity that you can't think straight.
So do I. But unless you can prove that your morals are better than the next guys then you only get one vote. Like cream, the best ideas should rise to the top, not just old ideas because we did it that way yesterday and the day before.
Agreed. This is why democracy works well.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#154150 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The real issue is abiogenesis. Prove it can be done before preaching it was done. And also prove the universe can appear out of nothing to begin that process.
Evolution is a process of model change. Adaptation to a changing environment. There is absolutely zero proof that an original model was not created by intelligent design that has since been modified, or that the creation of this universe and our emergence was not part of a process initiated by an intelligent design. By the very fact we have emerged from a stabilized system is evidence that such may have occurred.
That American Association for the Advancement of Science statement on evolution is a left handed way of advancing order out of chaos as it infers any opposition to it, such as the theory of intelligent design is strictly religion based, and thus "unscientific" and "objective". Objective system analysis will not support that contention of order out of chaos theory, which is PURE CONJECTURE.
There is no honesty or objectiveness in statements like that.
What, you figure you throw enough crap on the wall, something might stick?

Well, none of your crap does --

1. Abiogenesis is biochemistry. Evolution is biology. I know, over your head. Oh well.

2. Cosmology and astrophysics are also NOT biology. Again, obviously over your head.

3. "order out of chaos" is exactly what happens when you shake up oil and water and then let it settle. So, again, you haven't a clue. If what you are lamely trying to argue is the 2nd law of thermodynamics (or any of them), your question is laughably pathetic and you really should study (a lot) before posting more stupidity.

4. Did you miss the part about rigorously testable being a measure of science? You want ID to be considered, show us the independently verified rigorous tests. Oh that's right, the Design Institute puts all of it's money into mass marketing of stupid ideas and none into testing because they know what the results would be ... and you wouldn't like it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154151 Feb 14, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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We don't teach it as "pure fact". We have been over this with you repeatedly, so either you are too scientifically illiterate to understand or are purposefully lying.
After over 150 years of research by scientists in all the Earth sciences from all over the world working within all different sociopolitical cultures we have gathered enough evidence for all the different aspect of biological evolution that to withhold tacit approval for this theory would be unreasonable.
Even Baylor University, one of the finest Christian universities in the world, has stated:
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously." ~ " http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php... ;
I asked a very simple question that you didn't answer.

What part of ToE is evidenced?

There's no evidence of abiogenesis, no evidence of spontaneous life, no evidence of fish transforming to mammals, no evidence of bacteria becoming birds.

We haven't even cataloged all the existing life on Earth, how is it thought that we know what life existed billions of years ago?

Know it before you preach it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#154152 Feb 14, 2013
Mylan wrote:
Absolutly CORRECT. And I'm surprised that you can understand that, but it's refreshing to see. Baby steps. You're making progress.
Don't go patting yourself on the back for thinking you taught me something I already know.
Too bad for you what you're describing is science, and NOT religion. Welcome to reality.
Too bad for you that you don't understand that science & religion are partners.

Since: Feb 13

Fishers, IN

#154153 Feb 14, 2013
Dave Nelson,

I mostly agree with you. At this point, abiogenesis does not have sufficient evidence to support it. Evolution itself is easily demonstrated through various means. But exactly how life began is still a bit of a mystery.

I am no expert on the topic, however my understanding is that order does at times arise from chaos. There is not yet a rigidly mathematical model of how this occurs, at least so far as I am aware. But there are things like Lorentz attractors, the Mandelbrot set, cellular automata, and so on that shed some light on the subject.

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