Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Imhotep

United States

#153952 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your touching on one of my favorite subjects.
The money preachers that have a lust for the sheepís money. They are out there and fleecing every chance they get. Money, money, money.
Some Churches have a board of directors. Those that donít and let the preacher run amuck with the money are naive.
These TV preachers like Kenneth Copeland with no fewer than five Jets and his own airport. Living large on the peoples money, needs to be prosecuted.
Itís not just preachers but some of the office personal including these self appointed accountants that are not degreed and ethical. Money just seems to slip away in the abyss.
But it also goes on in other non profit organizations including Atheist organizations. If I recall Madeline Murray O'Hare employee was dipping into the till and ended up murdering her and her son.
Frankly, it would not surprise me if the tele-evangelists were closet atheists, laughing all the way to the bank! You can ordain yourself. Tax free.

True believers would not extort money for Jesus - it would be damnation of the highest order..

Billy Graham got to better parties by shrewdly moving from fundamentalism to evangelicalism.

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven." Ė Matthew 19.23.

<sigh>

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#153953 Feb 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, organized superstition (religion) is a steaming pile of BS.
According to the Christian faith I must bet it all, my whole life. I must die daily. I must take up my cross and follow Jesus.
I must be totally committed and have total faith. Thatís what Iím called upon to do, daily, even to the point of guarding my very thoughts.
I must sacrifice that which I think about and I should not lust, hate, covet, nor entertain any doubts.
I must abandon reason.
I can understand betting a few dollars to win the lottery even though there is a 1 in 80 million chance to win.
I would never consider betting everything I own based on those odds, even if the payout was 800 trillion dollars, nor would I want to bet my whole life on a 1 to 10,000 chance of eternal bliss.
Oh boy...

What happens if you win the bet?(you're wrong)

What happens if you lose the bet?(you're right)
Imhotep

United States

#153954 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the Atheism belief I must bet it all in one life.
ďIĒ represents Atheist.
I must be a raging as*hole.
I must be angry all the time.
I must deny Christians their civil rights.
I must be a member of the communist party.
I must not give to the United Way.
I must not give to charity.
I must not be kind to others.
I must always think about me.
I must be rude and crude.
I must be mean to children.
I must not have any morals.
I must be deviant.
I must twist the truth.
I must destroy the truth.
I must encourage hate.
I must blame everything on Christians.
I must lie.
I must cheat.
I must steal.
I must beat the neighbors dog.
I must be disrespectful.
I must believe religion is the source of all evil.
I must be evil and wretched.
What are the odds? 1 in 80 million Atheist donít adhere to the above?
Smirk... ;)

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian


10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#153955 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the Atheism belief I must bet it all in one life.
ďIĒ represents Atheist.
I must be a raging as*hole.
I must be angry all the time.
I must deny Christians their civil rights.
I must be a member of the communist party.
I must not give to the United Way.
I must not give to charity.
I must not be kind to others.
I must always think about me.
I must be rude and crude.
I must be mean to children.
I must not have any morals.
I must be deviant.
I must twist the truth.
I must destroy the truth.
I must encourage hate.
I must blame everything on Christians.
I must lie.
I must cheat.
I must steal.
I must beat the neighbors dog.
I must be disrespectful.
I must believe religion is the source of all evil.
I must be evil and wretched.
What are the odds? 1 in 80 million Atheist donít adhere to the above?
May I add one more?

I must blame the God I don't believe in for everything that goes wrong.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#153956 Feb 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're, not your.
Your grammar is absolutely atrocious.
You're embarrassing.
Try to figure out the difference, PLEASE !!
What's the big deal?

Why are you always on Eagle's ass about grammar?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#153957 Feb 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Frankly, it would not surprise me if the tele-evangelists were closet atheists, laughing all the way to the bank! You can ordain yourself. Tax free.
True believers would not extort money for Jesus - it would be damnation of the highest order..
Billy Graham got to better parties by shrewdly moving from fundamentalism to evangelicalism.
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven." Ė Matthew 19.23.
<sigh>
You have some smarts after all....
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153958 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're asking yourself a question.
Answer it.
Has to be one of the three, i'll assume its complete lack of knowledge. Thats polite for stupid.
Imhotep

United States

#153959 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh boy...
What happens if you win the bet?(you're wrong)
What happens if you lose the bet?(you're right)
It's a sure thing. No betting necessary.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ofzQ2qNBNAg

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#153960 Feb 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Smirk... ;)
1. Atheists are fighting against something they don't believe exists. It's like writing blogs against Caspar the Friendly Ghost or Bilbo Baggins. Why would you bother?

2. Atheists spend more time writing on Christian blogs than they do on their own. Just more gas on a nonexistent fire.

3. Atheists love to act intellectual until you catch them doing something illogical and then they scream profanities cause that's really intellectual.

4. Atheists have the word theist in their name. Every time they say who they are they call attention to God.

5. Atheist condemn all that's wrong with Christianity and yet can not produce one work of art, literature or sacrificial deed done in the name of atheism. Even they realize it's not worth dying for.

6. Atheists only believe in what their senses tell them unless its Darwin telling them things that happened billions of years ago, then they have more faith than a Catholic at First Communion.

7. Atheists believe in science unless the scientist believe in God, then they denounce the scientist and call him a moron.

8. Atheists believe in their fellow man, unless their fellow man believes in God then they denounce their fellow man and call him a moron.

9. Atheists believe in the great atheists of the past like Andrew Flew unless they change their mind and become theists then they denounce them and call them morons.

10. Atheists don't believe in morons unless they are atheists and then they embrace them and call them intellectuals.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153961 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =CgWhxB5EkmQXX
Simple and good.
yes it is. The roots of jazz!!!
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153962 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QJrjXsNlxNQXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
OK, Ok, the really big guns are up in the moutains to the east, and there is a large concentration of troops down in the valley to the North.....Please no more!!!!!

Since: Mar 11

Australia

#153963 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the Atheism belief I must bet it all in one life.
ďIĒ represents Atheist.
I must be a raging as*hole.
I must be angry all the time.
I must deny Christians their civil rights.
I must be a member of the communist party.
I must not give to the United Way.
I must not give to charity.
I must not be kind to others.
I must always think about me.
I must be rude and crude.
I must be mean to children.
I must not have any morals.
I must be deviant.
I must twist the truth.
I must destroy the truth.
I must encourage hate.
I must blame everything on Christians.
I must lie.
I must cheat.
I must steal.
I must beat the neighbors dog.
I must be disrespectful.
I must believe religion is the source of all evil.
I must be evil and wretched.
What are the odds? 1 in 80 million Atheist donít adhere to the above?
The above is what I think religious people believe in.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153964 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Afa-e9aT1-0XX
Buckethead on bass.
Be nice if he was actually playing something instead of slapping meaninglessly.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#153965 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the Atheism belief I must bet it all in one life.
ďIĒ represents Atheist.
I must be a raging as*hole.
I must be angry all the time.
I must deny Christians their civil rights.
I must be a member of the communist party.
I must not give to the United Way.
I must not give to charity.
I must not be kind to others.
I must always think about me.
I must be rude and crude.
I must be mean to children.
I must not have any morals.
I must be deviant.
I must twist the truth.
I must destroy the truth.
I must encourage hate.
I must blame everything on Christians.
I must lie.
I must cheat.
I must steal.
I must beat the neighbors dog.
I must be disrespectful.
I must believe religion is the source of all evil.
I must be evil and wretched.
What are the odds? 1 in 80 million Atheist donít adhere to the above?
Okay, ya got me. In my defense, I don't beat the neighbor's dog.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153966 Feb 13, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Smirk... ;)
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
My favorite top 10, good job. From Sam Harris, I love it...."If you saw my muttering some words over my pancakes in the morning, thinking that they would change into the body of Elvis, you'd call me insane. But if I do the same thing over a cracker, I'm just a Catholic."
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153967 Feb 13, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Iím going to take up for those military musicians. They provide a service to their country. Not everyone can do what they do and they have a history going back into the American Revolution. Musicians were no sissies but played a vital role in military battlefields.
Today their role is no less than it ever has. Thank you Doctor for your service you provided to your country.[Salute]
At the time I was young and thought actually fighting was the right thing to do. In retrospect, I could have joined a military band for the duration of my service. Although I had some very good friends who were killed in the Nam and were in a band. Marching down a road to pay some major off his chopper when they stepped on a mine, it wiped out the first two row, mostly trombone players.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#153968 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sober yet?
I'm going to speak real slow. See if you can keep up and understand what I am explaining.
I posted that animated link demonstrating what a barycenter is. It was a large circle being orbited by a smalll circle, representing two bodies of mass which then wobbled due to them orbiting the center of gravity between them. They are the same mass, but portions separated by distance. Keep in mind that is a most significant aspect of the whole phenomenon of existence, but I will not try to explain it now.
This distance between sections of mass creates that center of mass that both bodies spin about. This is where the "attractive forces" of each cancel each other out and they become one, so to speak, to other distant bodies, which are all parts of the same original mass. To a third object, you have a gravitational force between it and those two separately, however the orbiting varies it on a periodic basis. But the barycenter is more stable because it is in the middle. But as the gravity force pulls everything closer together, these distances close, thus increasing the cumulative force in all relationships. The barycenter moves closer as the periodic variation of the orbiting bodies does too.
This happens on the atomic scale. This is how gravity becomes additive with mass. However, you have other forces at work keeping them from colliding, such as the EM skin. You wind up with a ball of matter compressed as tight as it can be without going nuclear. Fusion, fission, etc. All from this relatively close contact between mass particles. This is a 3D process, happening in all directions except the surface, where it is down, sideways, with the potential of acting on far distant objects upwards.
You can call that earth if you wish.
You have other bodies formed from the same process scattered around the universe. Like asteroids, planets, stars, etc. They have this same surface potential as the earth, but due to distance, this potential is felt only from the direction those objects face each other, and a cross sectional factor is introduced because of the sizes of the bodies involved. The gravitational attraction is more like a beam now than the all encompassing activity of the ball that formed from roughly the same process on the aomic scale.
As creatures formed on the surface of this ball, their molecular construction was guided by the relatively strong force of this ball, which as I mentioned works downward and sideways. All of the gravity beneath your feet are beams similar to between those distant objects, but it is concentrated and magnified because of that 3D action of those barycenters. All of the ground you see below the horizon on this ball is also working on you. When you leave the planet, you are existing and being continually rebuilt outside the design you were created in. This is a relatively slow process, but essentially foreign and incomplete materials are now being manufactured by your body for replenishment. Your body has to have the existing gravity field and signature to manufacture the products needed. It doesn't magically produce that from within. Those beams from space are insufficent not so much because they are beams, after all, some are strong enough to hold this solar sytme in orbit, but in the local redistribution. The angles it works from. You will run into the same problem with centrifuges because they are very directional.
Until you can unify gravity and EM, which can be done, you don't want to leave far from home for very long. It will be a one way trip.
Yawn, all that to explain to me why you're off balance and out of this world? You could have just said ya dizzy.

But we already knew that Dave :)

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#153969 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the big deal?
Why are you always on Eagle's ass about grammar?
For some reason, I feel a responsibility to help the poor slob.

Hey, do you think somebody has earned the Dorner Million? If so, who?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#153970 Feb 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're, not your.
Your grammar is absolutely atrocious.
You're embarrassing.
Try to figure out the difference, PLEASE !!
"You're, not your."

That sentence didn't make a bit of sense. Shouldn't that be it is you're, not your?

Why the space after PLEASE?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#153971 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"You're, not your."
That sentence didn't make a bit of sense. Shouldn't that be it is you're, not your?
Why the space after PLEASE?
Aha, very good.

I placed a space after please to give a bit more stress to the exclamation points.

Otherwise, they were a bit lost, adjoining the last letter of please in capital letters.

Good catch!

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