Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#153811 Feb 13, 2013
Oh, another memory from the past.

Women had real tits.
insidesecrets

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#153812 Feb 13, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Do you wish to ban scientific and medical inquiry?
I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.

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#153813 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.
Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.

“Think&Care”

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#153814 Feb 13, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
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It's a vector sum.
Not even a hard one.
But Dave is afraid of math and denies that it is useful for understanding anything. So even a simple vector sum is 'abstract nonsense' according to him. That it also shows his ideas are garbage only adds to his conviction.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#153815 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.
Exactly.

“Think&Care”

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#153816 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.
And how would that work? Psychology isn't a very good science to begin with. it tends not to actually test its ideas, nor does it tend to repeat experiments to make sure they are correct. But studying the 'subjective' is, by definition, a matter of psychology and not of any of the other sciences (physics, chemistry, geology, etc).

So, what testable hypotheses do you have? What techniques do you propose for measuring 'subjective spiritual' things?

“Think&Care”

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#153817 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.
The 'subjective spiritual' aspects of humans were center stage for thousands of years and got us exactly nowhere. Without testable hypotheses and repeatable results, all you have is personal *opinion*, not actual knowledge. But you don't know the difference between the two.

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#153818 Feb 13, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But Dave is afraid of math and denies that it is useful for understanding anything. So even a simple vector sum is 'abstract nonsense' according to him. That it also shows his ideas are garbage only adds to his conviction.
Afraid?

Gravity is a force, a something that does something. Your substitution for it with an abstract math thingy shows you are disconnected from the real physical aspects.

Simple fact. If you are orbiting in a gravity field 90% of the surface, then your material construction exists in a gravity field 90% of the surface. If you are skydiving you have a continual change in that force until you hit the ground.

I posted that link about center of mass a couple of days ago. A nice description of barycenters and the relative centers of gravity. Gravity works two ways. You have that relative straight line relationship with far distant bodies, but you also have it within the individual bodies themselves. With the same barycenters, etc applying. You have a rippling relationship because of the motion and periodicity on the local scale which does carry on to the distant scale. And it is a two way street. The force of that distant object is added to the local. This is then redirected within the local.

The body's molecular arrangement and development was done in a particular gravity field. This governs the charge relationships and symmetry of those particles. Over a period of time the body changes cells. Time spent in a lower gravity field will result in relative abnormalities in the assembling. The body is being rebuilt in a different environment.

Centrifugal force is very directional. The body was developed where it had varying gravity that extended beyond one direction. Draw a vertical line on a circle. You have lots of mass, all loaded with gravity, tangential to that straight line down we are so used to. That straight down is a result of the most mass concentrated in a straight relatively continuous collection of matter combined with the addition of the gravitational forces from the rest of the cosmos concentrated toward the center. But there is even more in cones emanating from you to the rest of the volume of earth. One reason you can catch your balance when you slip. You have pull on one side being slowed by the pull on other sides.

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#153819 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do you wish to be one of the guinea pigs?
It's the only life you will have, remember?
I participated in a clinical trial years ago. Millions of people have been "guinea pigs" over the years.

Wanna try again?

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#153820 Feb 13, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The 'subjective spiritual' aspects of humans were center stage for thousands of years and got us exactly nowhere. Without testable hypotheses and repeatable results, all you have is personal *opinion*, not actual knowledge. But you don't know the difference between the two.
Not exactly nowhere. They got you here with your new religion.

Could be in circles, but, hey, at least we are moving.

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#153821 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.
What would you like to see measured?

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#153822 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Not exactly nowhere. They got you here with your new religion.
Could be in circles, but, hey, at least we are moving.
Still no proof of god, give up Dave, your creationist ways are finished and your cult is dead.

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#153823 Feb 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Still no proof of god, give up Dave, your creationist ways are finished and your cult is dead.
You are amusing if nothing else.

Prove something for me to prove your proof of proof is provable.

Prove that a creative force MUST prove itself to a creation it made in a way that creation has to understand.

Let's say you are a computer engineer that designs and builds a computer with a rather high degree of logic and analytic programming in it. Plus the hardware to realize such.

Does your computer know you exist? Perhaps it has unresolved equations leaving it with nagging suspicions, or inabilities to accomplish a particular task. But how would IT know you exist?

“Ditat Deus”

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#153824 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Oh, another memory from the past.
Women had real tits.
And man didn't dye their hair blonde or where skin tight pants...

“Ditat Deus”

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#153825 Feb 13, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And how would that work? Psychology isn't a very good science to begin with. it tends not to actually test its ideas, nor does it tend to repeat experiments to make sure they are correct. But studying the 'subjective' is, by definition, a matter of psychology and not of any of the other sciences (physics, chemistry, geology, etc).
So, what testable hypotheses do you have? What techniques do you propose for measuring 'subjective spiritual' things?
You only say that because humans are ignorant of exploring and explaining the human spirit.

No doubt someday somebody will figure out how to actually test for and verify that the Spirit actually exists.

“Ditat Deus”

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#153826 Feb 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Still no proof of god, give up Dave, your creationist ways are finished and your cult is dead.
Wrong.

Christianity is currently rising at a rate of 1.3%.
The worlds population is growing at 1.2%.

Sorry bout yer luck.

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#153827 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You only say that because humans are ignorant of exploring and explaining the human spirit.
No doubt someday somebody will figure out how to actually test for and verify that the Spirit actually exists.
Human aren't. Underpowered intellects are.

The proof is already here. They are called wild hairs up the ass. The sudden impulse to do something of a somewhat coherent nature, something that requires a certain sequence of actions and not just spasms, that just comes out of nowhere. Sometimes it improves things, other times it just improves the gene pool. Such as.

Hey, Bubba, watch this!!

:-)

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#153828 Feb 13, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The 'subjective spiritual' aspects of humans were center stage for thousands of years and got us exactly nowhere. Without testable hypotheses and repeatable results, all you have is personal *opinion*, not actual knowledge. But you don't know the difference between the two.
Dave understands the claims he puts forth. You do not.

I recall a certain claim of yours that a 10' stick could be divided into infinite segments of length greater than zero.

That's wildly wrong, and stupid, of course. Because then the stick would be infinite length, not 10'.

But you don't even understand that it is stupid.

And we won't even broach the subject again of your claim that infinite bacteria exist on earth.

Nothing is or can be infinite in space or time. Not the universe, not anything in it.

If you ever get that, then you can start to understand math and physics - maybe.

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#153829 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, duh. I forgot, sorry.
It's the young people that have all the wisdom....
Sure. That's why we got crack cocaine.

And why Justin Beber can sell 'music'.

...and on and on.

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#153830 Feb 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Dave understands the claims he puts forth. You do not.
I recall a certain claim of yours that a 10' stick could be divided into infinite segments of length greater than zero.
That's wildly wrong, and stupid, of course. Because then the stick would be infinite length, not 10'.
But you don't even understand that it is stupid.
And we won't even broach the subject again of your claim that infinite bacteria exist on earth.
Nothing is or can be infinite in space or time. Not the universe, not anything in it.
If you ever get that, then you can start to understand math and physics - maybe.
You tell him, Buck.

Poly reminds me of a kid that learns brain surgery is something where you just cut and reconnect some things in school one day, then comes home real enthused and talks his little sister into being his practice piece. Hopefully he doesn't get too far before that Oh Shit! moment happens.

The boy ain't got enough experience to temper his "knowing".

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