Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jun 07

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#153800 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, duh. I forgot, sorry.
It's the young people that have all the wisdom....
Sorry that you have no proof of god. maybe one day when you grow up you will discover morals and realise that lying is not a good way to live. You may also realise why atheists don't believe a word you have to say.

I will leave you to continue whining at the fact that you have no proof of god.

Meanwhile you can easily go and get a DNA test which proves you are descended like all of us from a common ancestor to apes. But this fact of life is too difficult for you to comprehend or accept, because you are arrogant and willfully ignorant.

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#153801 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, duh. I forgot, sorry.
It's the young people that have all the wisdom....
And let's not pretend that senior citizens gathered their cultural leanings based on wisdom. Thanks.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#153802 Feb 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, duh. I forgot, sorry.
It's the young people that have all the wisdom....
Apparently.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153803 Feb 13, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_Chri...

Atheists can whine and cry and predict the death of religion, but that is the religion of the future.

The reason is soul. Not dogma or organization, but expressions of the individual spirit.

The difference between listening to some math based music from a full symphony, some guy tooting his own horn, or listening to someone like Buckethead, or others that bring the rhythm and emotions in you.

I think modern youngins don't want atheists or hierarchal theists telling them what and how to think.

Jesus is the face of this personal expression. An undefined and personal relationship with the Creator. Just like the message he delivered. Happy to be alive.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#153804 Feb 13, 2013
To sacrifice the few for the many is to be amoral.

The current amoral scientific belief system is bound to produce destructive action, that is, the attitudes of scientists lead them to be less careful of life than they should be. They separate themselves form the natural world by viewing all life as objects to be examined. They view human life the same way, casting man adrift as meaningless biological debris. This intent automatically alienates the scientist from his own spiritual nature and turns him into a mechanic.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153805 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
To sacrifice the few for the many is to be amoral.
The current amoral scientific belief system is bound to produce destructive action, that is, the attitudes of scientists lead them to be less careful of life than they should be. They separate themselves form the natural world by viewing all life as objects to be examined. They view human life the same way, casting man adrift as meaningless biological debris. This intent automatically alienates the scientist from his own spiritual nature and turns him into a mechanic.
Bullseye.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153806 Feb 13, 2013
http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/18-...

You just can't get past the human soul wishing to be free.

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#153807 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
To sacrifice the few for the many is to be amoral.
The current amoral scientific belief system is bound to produce destructive action, that is, the attitudes of scientists lead them to be less careful of life than they should be. They separate themselves form the natural world by viewing all life as objects to be examined. They view human life the same way, casting man adrift as meaningless biological debris. This intent automatically alienates the scientist from his own spiritual nature and turns him into a mechanic.
Do you wish to ban scientific and medical inquiry?

“Ditat Deus”

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#153808 Feb 13, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Funny how you omitted the part about supporting the rational over the superstitious. I guess you know you're on the latter side.
Rational thought is relative, hence the omission.

“Ditat Deus”

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#153809 Feb 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Sorry that you have no proof of god. maybe one day when you grow up you will discover morals and realise that lying is not a good way to live. You may also realise why atheists don't believe a word you have to say.
I already know that, Septic.

Maybe one day you'll realize that theists don't give a crap what atheists have to say.
I will leave you to continue whining at the fact that you have no proof of god.
See? Crap.
Meanwhile you can easily go and get a DNA test which proves you are descended like all of us from a common ancestor to apes. But this fact of life is too difficult for you to comprehend or accept, because you are arrogant and willfully ignorant.
I know we're descended from apes.

And?

Gotcha there, I'm no creationist.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153810 Feb 13, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Do you wish to ban scientific and medical inquiry?
Do you wish to be one of the guinea pigs?

It's the only life you will have, remember?

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153811 Feb 13, 2013
Oh, another memory from the past.

Women had real tits.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#153812 Feb 13, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Do you wish to ban scientific and medical inquiry?
I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153813 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.
Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153814 Feb 13, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yah.
It's a vector sum.
Not even a hard one.
But Dave is afraid of math and denies that it is useful for understanding anything. So even a simple vector sum is 'abstract nonsense' according to him. That it also shows his ideas are garbage only adds to his conviction.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#153815 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.
Exactly.

“Think&Care”

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#153816 Feb 13, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I'd like to see science climb out of its box of objective materiality and expand its horizons to include studies that explore the subjective spiritual nature of humankind.
And how would that work? Psychology isn't a very good science to begin with. it tends not to actually test its ideas, nor does it tend to repeat experiments to make sure they are correct. But studying the 'subjective' is, by definition, a matter of psychology and not of any of the other sciences (physics, chemistry, geology, etc).

So, what testable hypotheses do you have? What techniques do you propose for measuring 'subjective spiritual' things?

“Think&Care”

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#153817 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Too scary for the gatekeepers. As you observed, they detach themselves from the natural world in the name of being objective. It is a learned behavior contrary to the natural makeup of humans. A forced denial of the total reality, leading them down a false path.
The 'subjective spiritual' aspects of humans were center stage for thousands of years and got us exactly nowhere. Without testable hypotheses and repeatable results, all you have is personal *opinion*, not actual knowledge. But you don't know the difference between the two.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#153818 Feb 13, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But Dave is afraid of math and denies that it is useful for understanding anything. So even a simple vector sum is 'abstract nonsense' according to him. That it also shows his ideas are garbage only adds to his conviction.
Afraid?

Gravity is a force, a something that does something. Your substitution for it with an abstract math thingy shows you are disconnected from the real physical aspects.

Simple fact. If you are orbiting in a gravity field 90% of the surface, then your material construction exists in a gravity field 90% of the surface. If you are skydiving you have a continual change in that force until you hit the ground.

I posted that link about center of mass a couple of days ago. A nice description of barycenters and the relative centers of gravity. Gravity works two ways. You have that relative straight line relationship with far distant bodies, but you also have it within the individual bodies themselves. With the same barycenters, etc applying. You have a rippling relationship because of the motion and periodicity on the local scale which does carry on to the distant scale. And it is a two way street. The force of that distant object is added to the local. This is then redirected within the local.

The body's molecular arrangement and development was done in a particular gravity field. This governs the charge relationships and symmetry of those particles. Over a period of time the body changes cells. Time spent in a lower gravity field will result in relative abnormalities in the assembling. The body is being rebuilt in a different environment.

Centrifugal force is very directional. The body was developed where it had varying gravity that extended beyond one direction. Draw a vertical line on a circle. You have lots of mass, all loaded with gravity, tangential to that straight line down we are so used to. That straight down is a result of the most mass concentrated in a straight relatively continuous collection of matter combined with the addition of the gravitational forces from the rest of the cosmos concentrated toward the center. But there is even more in cones emanating from you to the rest of the volume of earth. One reason you can catch your balance when you slip. You have pull on one side being slowed by the pull on other sides.

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#153819 Feb 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do you wish to be one of the guinea pigs?
It's the only life you will have, remember?
I participated in a clinical trial years ago. Millions of people have been "guinea pigs" over the years.

Wanna try again?

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