Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#153581 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C enter_of_mass
This is a rather well documented and principle of physics. It is also why modern math based physics is fucked up, which I have pointed out innumerable times.
This works on the molecular to galactic to universal scale.
Trillions of galaxies? Even more stars. Even more dust and plasma. All swirling around in motion, tugging on each other.
For instance, Earth has a gravity relationship to the sun, and another to Jupiter, but its relationship to the both of them is in another direction, one which changes according to orbital positions. Now add the rest of the celestial bodies and components in the solar system, galaxy, and rest of the universe and those individual relationships combines with those barycentric relationships that are constantly moving and changing and you have one hairy bunch of gravity and energy relationships to keep track of. Which there is no possible way physicists and cosmologists could have done in making their pronouncements that Topix atheists take as the Gospel truth in the belief they are glorified stellar shit.
Ask just where and how they have come up with these totals for the universe that they use in their determinations. You have all of that motion and we haven't even seen it all yet.
From that link I posted. An animated effect of the process.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Like I said, this happens from the atomic scale to the universal scale. You just don't have that flat fixed relationships crap they try to bedazzle you with. This is vibrational stuff. Not a damned part of it static.

The universe is a quivering mass, and we are part of it. Think.

Since: Sep 08

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#153582 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Walk out your door and tell us how far it is to the nearest Christian church.
Thinking wrote:
Which way?
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Typical limited atheist mentality.

Note the word "nearest".

He can wander around for a while finding some, and then pull out his computer and calculate, and then get back to us if he doesn't know which way to go.

Since: Jun 07

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#153583 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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From that link I posted. An animated effect of the process.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Like I said, this happens from the atomic scale to the universal scale. You just don't have that flat fixed relationships crap they try to bedazzle you with. This is vibrational stuff. Not a damned part of it static.
The universe is a quivering mass, and we are part of it. Think.
No proof of god and flailing. What a desperate theist.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153584 Feb 12, 2013
Why? That doesn't provide historical proof for Jesus. A rather weak argument on your behalf don't you think?

Can't you do better Dave than the weakest logical fallacy talking points? Ask your preacher this Sunday maybe he can pray with you and help you out.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Walk out your door and tell us how far it is to the nearest Christian church.

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#153585 Feb 12, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, assume. Why?
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It is my duty as a Christian.
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I don't believe in "Gods", so......
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And? In those parts of the world in those days, sources of fuel was sometimes scarce, dry cow poop makes great kindling.
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Of course, the ignorant thinks "back parts" means "ass"...
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True. Good thing I don't believe in "Gods"....
Its your duty to sh*t the f*ck up and demonstrate some morals by not lying to us about a god that simply does not exist.

You people are annoying, just f*ck off back to your caves and spreading your ridiculous mental illness to sane people.

Since: Sep 08

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#153586 Feb 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why? That doesn't provide historical proof for Jesus. A rather weak argument on your behalf don't you think?
Can't you do better Dave than the weakest logical fallacy talking points? Ask your preacher this Sunday maybe he can pray with you and help you out.
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Provide us historical proof that your belief system has demonstrated an improved existence for mankind.

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#153587 Feb 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Its your duty to sh*t the f*ck up and demonstrate some morals by not lying to us about a god that simply does not exist.
You people are annoying, just f*ck off back to your caves and spreading your ridiculous mental illness to sane people.
You are convinced you are sane and most of the world isn't?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#153588 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are convinced you are sane and most of the world isn't?
Yes.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153589 Feb 12, 2013
That won't provide historical proof for Jesus will it Dave? It is a standard Christian argument, one you being a Christian you are well versed on. Still it is a logical fallacy. We all know you gush over how you perceive the Jesus myth has in your words and opinion shaped the whole world! Lmfao!

But your opinion doesn't count as fact. The Jesus myth has hindered not helped mankind. It has stymied free thinkers since it was forced down the people's throat by Constantine.

Christians can't even figure out if Jesus was born in Mary and Joseph's house on Bethlehem or if they were living in Nazareth and stopped off in Bethlehem because Mary's water broke and she gave birth in a barn. Ah yes Jesus born beside piles of horsesht! Fitting no!

:)
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Provide us historical proof that your belief system has demonstrated an improved existence for mankind.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#153590 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So you have a vested interest in the industry.
We all do.

The technological spin-offs from the pure research is of benefit to all of us. And all of that research is patent free.

The other indirect spin-off was the economic growth we experienced throughout the '60s. The country had a vision and the drive to make it happen.

Even today we have all the technology we need to continue this effort, but we've lost the drive to do so. That's a shame and a disgrace for all of us.

The main area of pure research we would need for a permanent Moon base and a safe human trip to Mars would be in human healthcare and closed ecological systems. The spin-offs from such an endeavor boggles the mind.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#153591 Feb 12, 2013
Annes wrote:
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you just illustrated why there is a hell for you to erode and perish in.
What a sick and twisted little mythology you have that would include such a place as hell.

And that you are okay with the idea of fellow human beings spending eternity there is even more twisted. Only a real psychopath could be okay with that.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153592 Feb 12, 2013
First prove I'm not situated between two churches such that my choice of front or back doors (I actually have four) decides which church is nearest.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Walk out your door and tell us how far it is to the nearest Christian church.
<quoted text>
Typical limited atheist mentality.
Note the word "nearest".
He can wander around for a while finding some, and then pull out his computer and calculate, and then get back to us if he doesn't know which way to go.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153593 Feb 12, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You argument for the First Cause was one of the following:
1. Infinite regress.
2. Uncaused cause.
3. Don't know.
4. Not God.
5. Quantum.
But so far you have stated that it can be any of the above, but the one thing it cannot be, absolutely is:
God
Showing that you are actually totally opposed to the idea of God, right from the start.
Proving the case, that you are indeed suppressing the truth of God as you cannot even allow the idea of God to the table.
Which is not rational.
No, once again, I am pointing out the holes in your argument. You have not managed to prove what you have claimed because you haven't eliminated the other possibilities, or even to show they are less probable than a 'God'.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153594 Feb 12, 2013
Lol Dave is getting desperate, he's due any minute now to go on his standard long winded diatribe about how he sees Jesus in his refrigerator magnets.

Speaking of due any minute, Mtimber is due to as usual come on here make about 60 posts of Hovind copy and pastes all the while ignoring and dodging any and all questions.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153595 Feb 12, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Causality cannot happen without the laws of logic...
Causality is logical by its very nature.
Wrong. Logic is about deduction in an abstract system, while causality is a question about the real world. They are in totally different areas of study.
As is reason,(when practiced properly).
Your claim, unproven.
All pointing to the logical First Cause.
Wrong.
But you don't want to go there.
So you have to deny either causality or the laws of logic to prevent yourself from going there.
Which one will it be today?
No, I simply want you to *prove* your claims. I have seen nothing to justify anything from the first cause argument. First, causality is an empirical question: and has been shown to be wrong in some situations (which you deny, but without reason).

Your claims about logic are simply false, although you continue to restate the same falsehoods.

Basically, the laws of logic and causality are not what you seem to think they are and you refuse to either argue for your case or refute the other possibilities.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153596 Feb 12, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How could it not be?
Time was caused, that is painfully obvious.
It isn't obvious to me. In fact, the exact opposite is obvious to me since time is required for causality. To talk about the cause of time shows a lack of understanding of the nature of causality.
Siro

Australia

#153597 Feb 12, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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What a sick and twisted little mythology you have that would include such a place as hell.
And that you are okay with the idea of fellow human beings spending eternity there is even more twisted. Only a real psychopath could be okay with that.
Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.

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#153598 Feb 12, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
That won't provide historical proof for Jesus will it Dave? It is a standard Christian argument, one you being a Christian you are well versed on. Still it is a logical fallacy. We all know you gush over how you perceive the Jesus myth has in your words and opinion shaped the whole world! Lmfao!
But your opinion doesn't count as fact. The Jesus myth has hindered not helped mankind. It has stymied free thinkers since it was forced down the people's throat by Constantine.
Christians can't even figure out if Jesus was born in Mary and Joseph's house on Bethlehem or if they were living in Nazareth and stopped off in Bethlehem because Mary's water broke and she gave birth in a barn. Ah yes Jesus born beside piles of horsesht! Fitting no!
:)
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I am having a vision of you in a sort of Jesus position.

Limbs restrained, but instead of vinegar and water, Haldol.

Since: Jun 07

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#153599 Feb 12, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Yeah...I know what you mean.....
I'd probably be of the same opinion if I counted Stalin and Pol Pot as my brethren.
But keep strong Hedonist, your brothers need you.
Maybe you could draft up a petition to outlaw hell and present it to the U.N.
Show us all with your mighty intelligence where it says that all atheists must commit genocide.

Exactly, you can't - you're full of sh*t and bitter at the fact you have no proof of god.

Remember, it's your mental illness, not ours.

Since: Jun 07

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#153600 Feb 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am having a vision of you in a sort of Jesus position.
Limbs restrained, but instead of vinegar and water, Haldol.
What else can you say, when you have no facts and no morals?

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