Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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mtimber wrote:
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Why then, do you keeping making absolute moral judgements about Christian Morality, it absolute morality does not exist?
Please try to concentrate and understand the critique you are being subjected to...
I don't.

Christians apparently have no morality if the Bible is any measure.

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mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>No.

A rock cannot exist and not exist in the same place, the same time and in the same sense.

Because that would contradict the universal logical law of non-contradiction.

But you now have a problem.

Because you have claimed that man created the laws of logic.

So before mankind existed a rock could exist and not exist at the same time, in the same place and in the same sense.

This is what your atheism reduces you to.

Absurdity.

Isn't it about time you abandoned the illogical?
Yes.

It's about time we abandoned you.

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mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind.
Yeah.

That would exist without Christianity.

Sure.

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mtimber wrote:
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1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind.
So, if that is an "absolute moral" statement, then you are saying all Buddhists, Hindus, and all other religions are immoral. Is that really the statement you want to make?

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít mean to rain on your parade Doctor but the entire planet of Mars has been photographed with advance state of the art hi def cameras. Not the cameras from the 1960ís but update equipment. Pictures that can be enlarged thousands of times. They have been able to produce 3-D images of the surface of Mars.
You can keep holding out if you like but it donít look good on finding any signs of life.
So, you think that there should be bones lying on the surface of Mars? LOL! Idiot!

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed. These atheists are much like radical Islam in their tactics to "defeat" Christianity.

The funny thing is how much time they spend on God.(the same God they say they KNOW is fake...)
Religion=/=god

Religion exists.

Dolt.

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mtimber wrote:
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No, your premise was unsound.
As I explained.
Keep beating that donkey if you want, but your premise is still unsound.
What "premise". Doe the cure as stated in the Bible work. There is no "premise", just a very straight forward yes or no question.

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Eagle12 wrote:
Please provide the names of the slaves Jesus owned and the scripture reference where he said he was ok with slavery.
Acadia wrote:
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He's a weak atheist coward, he won't be able to do it.
jesus is god, right?

Maybe you should spend more time reading the bible?

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mtimber wrote:
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Here you go again.
Defining "Good".
Whilst denying that "Good" can be defined...
You are contradicting yourself.
Still dancing and refusing to answer.

Based on your criteria for good morals are the commandments from Jehovah expressed in Exodus 21:2-6 and 20-21 good moral commandments?

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This is your god's way of curing leprosy.
Leviticus 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
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An ignorance of prophetic symbology is the issue you have here.:-)
mtimber wrote:
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I have already dealt with this in one sense.
But your premise is flawed anyway.
Your assumption that the instructions given in the Bible regarding leprosy is the only way to cure leprosy, is a false one.
The Bible does not state the strawman you are presenting.
Make up your mind! Is it symbolic or an actual cure? LOL!

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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
mtimber wrote:
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Are you still trying to churn out this rubbish?
Seriously.
Account for morality and then you can judge the biblical morality.
Upon what basis is any of the above immoral in an atheistic worldview?
You nailed that one! It is rubbish.

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Hedonist wrote:
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Still dancing and refusing to answer.
Based on your criteria for good morals are the commandments from Jehovah expressed in Exodus 21:2-6 and 20-21 good moral commandments?
He/she is a good dancer!

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mtimber wrote:
Hedonist, seriously now.
Concentrate for a moment.
You state there is no absolute moral standard of "good".
Then why do you keep appealing to an absolute moral standard of "good"?
The absolute morality that a religious person might profess would include stoning people for adultery, slavery, female subservience, death for breaking the Sabbath Ö these are all things which are religiously-based absolute moralities.

I donít want any thing to do with your concept of absolute morality.

I want a morality that is thought out through a consensus of reasoning, sober discussion, argument, legal theory, and ethics philosophy.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't explain why there's an apparent contradiction...

Do you always & only rely on atheist propaganda websites for your "education" in this regard?
It's in your freaking bible, dipshit.

You know.

That big thick book collecting dust in your house that you've never read?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Matthew 1:16

and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Is Jesus descended from David or not?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Obvious?!?

Yes, it's obvious that atheists spend a whole lot of time on a religion and a God they claim to not believe in.

What's wrong? Worried about your afterlife? You wanna be able to tell God that you always hoped He was real?
You're now using some of the most idiotic fundy arguments.

Your desperation is showing.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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Really, have you heard of the true story of Frank William Abagnale, Jr. They made a movie about him based on a true story called,ďCatch me if you Can.Ē
He claimed to have been a US Bureau of Prisons agent, a lawyer, Airline Pilot, and a Doctor. According to you he was all those things because he made that claim. The FBI didnít buy, at least once they caught on to his game. He was even an emergency room supervisors over resident Doctors!
You might want to reconsider your requirements.
Frank William Abagnale, Jr.(pron.:/&#712;śb&#6 01;&#609;ne&#618;l/, Italian pronunciation:[aba&#626; &#712;&#626;ale]; born April 27, 1948) is an American security consultant known for his history as a former confidence trickster, check forger, impostor, and escape artist. He became one of the most famous impostors ever, claiming to have assumed no fewer than eight identities as an airline pilot, a doctor, a U.S. Bureau of Prisons agent, and a lawyer. He escaped from police custody twice (once from a taxiing airliner and once from a U.S. federal penitentiary), before he was 21 years old.[4] He served fewer than five years in prison before starting to work for the federal government. He is currently a consultant and lecturer for the FBI academy and field offices. He also runs Abagnale & Associates, a financial fraud consultancy company.[5]
Abagnale's life story provided the inspiration for the feature film Catch Me If You Can, a Broadway musical of the same name which opened in April 2011, and a ghostwritten autobiography also of the same name.
WIKI:
Your example doesn't apply, simply because there is one requirement to being a Christian, the acceptance and belief that the Jesus! existed, was the son of the YAHWEH! and died for your "sin", etc...

Who are you to say that anyone that says they are a Christian has not and does not believe that? So what if they're a bad one, one one that isn't exemplary. Remember?, "sin is built in", in your belief set. You can try to do better, but you are expected to succumb to "sin", you can't escape it in your religious mythology.

It(being a Christian) is a construct or process of the mind, and does not require a license, a diploma, a degree or some sort of verification in order to provide a service or function, like the example you gave -*does*.

That's a specious and disingenuous tactic you employ when you give such an example.

Don't forget...

They said the Jesus! wasn't a "real Jew", either.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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I will shorten your argument for you, so that hopefully you can see your absurd first premise.
Only atheists can do science.
Christians aren't atheists.
So Christians can't do science.
If you were originally part of the conversation you would see how stupid you now appear. I suggest you go back and try as best you can to follow the actual dialog. Then you might want to comment on what transpired, otherwise you come off looking like a complete meathead!!! Good luck, and do try and pay attention!!!

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mtimber wrote:
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But you said the laws of logic were man made.
If that was true then the law of non-contradiction would not have been in place before mankind existed.
Therefore a rock could both exist and not exist in the same place at that same time in the same sense.
According to your worldview.
And you think your worldview is logical?
You've got to be kidding? No one is that dense.

The physical world is what it is with or without homo sapiens in it.

The "laws of logic" are human constructs that are only applicable in considering human thought processes and philosophies.

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Aerobatty wrote:
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Is Jesus descended from David or not?
It doesn't matter, he's not the father.

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