Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153181 Feb 11, 2013
If Edward I is in there, the first of the Plantagenets, and no saint himself, it would make sense to have the last one there too.

York Minster's beautiful though. Well worth the travel.

But Richard's got 527 years of unpaid parking charges to settle with Leicester's city council first.
Catcher1 wrote:
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I vote for Westminster Abbey.
It's a wonderful place, he would be in very good company, and for the visitor it makes it so much easier to have everybody together.
See what you can do.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#153182 Feb 11, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I hate it when that happens.
*grumble*

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

SŲdertšlje, Sweden

#153183 Feb 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You follow the herd, or you follow your own path.
You will know the truth a couple minutes after your heart stops.
In the meantime, why do you feel so compelled to tell others they are wrong? 7 billion is over 200 years worth of seconds. That is just the people alive today. Why do you think the vast majority of them choose to believe in a deity? I will guarantee a large portion of them were more intelligent or educated than you think you are.
I've been near death and nothing happened
Acadia

Hagerstown, MD

#153184 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You misinterpret anger for scorn. I have no patients when it comes to people being willfully ignorant. Now why don't you piss off!!!!
Thanks for proving you are a disrespectful angry atheist. That didn't take long.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153185 Feb 11, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>What will your thought process be if life is found on Mars?
If they find life on Mars like on the Vegas Strip, with neon flashing lights. Iím going to say,ďIíll be damn.Ē
Acadia

Hagerstown, MD

#153186 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Theist know that due to the complete lack of evidence combined with reason and logic, that their imaginary friend cannot exist, they are just to embarrassed to admit it. I would be to, if I spent my life shaping all my action to please this myth.
You should never be trusted. You spent your life filled with shaping it to serve satan. You are just too embarrassed to admit it.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153187 Feb 11, 2013
Whereas you told me to "GFY", sweetie? You silly cult.
Acadia wrote:
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Thanks for proving you are a disrespectful angry atheist. That didn't take long.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153188 Feb 11, 2013
Refresh my memory. According to the bible, satan's the one that only killed a handful, and god's the one that killed almost everyone. Correct?
Acadia wrote:
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You should never be trusted. You spent your life filled with shaping it to serve satan. You are just too embarrassed to admit it.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153189 Feb 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The two mars rovers primary mission was to examine and send back data on rocks and soil samples. They originally were to function for 90 days. Spirt was stuck in loose sand for nine months and became inoperable and now is used as a platform for observation. For all of the time these robots have been on Mars they have investigated a mere 11 miles of the planets surface. Considering how long Mars has been a dead planet and considering how difficult it is right here on earth to find long dead organisms, I think it's a little too soon to say that Mars has no evidence of past life. We have yet to investigate the two polar ice caps which contain liquid water.
There is NO pendulum and there is simply too much evidence on our own Planet that fully supports the facts of evolution, to entertain the science-less claims for creationism.
I donít mean to rain on your parade Doctor but the entire planet of Mars has been photographed with advance state of the art hi def cameras. Not the cameras from the 1960ís but update equipment. Pictures that can be enlarged thousands of times. They have been able to produce 3-D images of the surface of Mars.

You can keep holding out if you like but it donít look good on finding any signs of life.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153190 Feb 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So do you think it is moral to own slaves? Stop dodging the question.
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I think that's the same question Moses asked Pharaoh?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#153191 Feb 11, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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All effects are caused.
Basic causality, upon which science is based...
You can deny that if you see fit.
In fact you might need to if you want to hold onto your particular views.
In fact, you have to, to maintain your absurd position...:-)
You see error has to deny truth to try to maintain its hold over truth.
So you have no choice but to keep denying even the most basic truths of the universe, to support your error.
Proving the very point I am making.:-)
What caused god?

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#153192 Feb 11, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít mean to rain on your parade Doctor but the entire planet of Mars has been photographed with advance state of the art hi def cameras. Not the cameras from the 1960ís but update equipment. Pictures that can be enlarged thousands of times. They have been able to produce 3-D images of the surface of Mars.
You can keep holding out if you like but it donít look good on finding any signs of life.
I don't think anyone expected to find any macroscopic life, but
are adamant there is the possibility of finding the microscopic traces.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#153193 Feb 11, 2013
Your bible says jesus was OK with slavery.
Eagle12 wrote:
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I think that's the same question Moses asked Pharaoh?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153194 Feb 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lmfao! At best any of them repeated what Christians told them about Jesus, btw Josephus and Tacitus both wrote about Hercules so are you saying he was real?
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Youíre making your typical assumptions and trying to justify your poorly thought out position. If Jesus and Pontius Pilatus were a myth. Then history would have reflected so.

Your feeble attempts to discredit history is not changing history. Itís already been written for thousands of years. You have absolutely nothing but wild conjectures with no proof other than your own opinion.

Youíre not a history professor for the time period nor a expert on Roman history. Why should anyone believe you?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153195 Feb 11, 2013
We have secular proof for Pilate and many Pharaohs but zero for Jesus and Moses. Josephus and Tacitus both wrote several times about Hercules so are you saying he existed?

The Josephus Jesus passage btw was forged into his work centuries later.

Outside the bible we have zero historical proof for Jesus or Moses. These are the stone cold facts. I know you don't like them but that doesn't change them.

So your bible god condones and even orders slavery, rape, genocide and putting every infant to the sword. Are these moral actions?
Eagle12 wrote:
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Youíre making your typical assumptions and trying to justify your poorly thought out position. If Jesus and Pontius Pilatus were a myth. Then history would have reflected so.
Your feeble attempts to discredit history is not changing history. Itís already been written for thousands of years. You have absolutely nothing but wild conjectures with no proof other than your own opinion.
Youíre not a history professor for the time period nor a expert on Roman history. Why should anyone believe you?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153196 Feb 11, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Rather long-winded, but still an iteration of the good ol' "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Adam Lanza and his mother were both Christians.
And Revelation? Really?
Anyone who's read that has to conclude that it's the hallucinatory raving of an utter lunatic.
Ironic how people who donít believe in God define who is and isnít a Christian. As if to say you are some sort of authority on the subject.

Under your analogy Denis Rader known also as BTK was a true to the core Christian since he attended a Lutheran Church. Never mind that he was a mass murder. To you he was a fine example of Christianity.

I guess you would count Judas Iscariot a example of Christianity too. Even though history seeís him as the betrayer.

If I may use your words,ďhallucinatory raving of an utter lunatic.Ē That phrase of yours would fit Denis Rader and you very nicely. Christianity requires more than occasional attendance but obedience to Christ teachings.

It doesnít matter how the average infidel defines Christianity. Itís how God defines it.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#153197 Feb 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your bible says jesus was OK with slavery.
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Please provide the names of the slaves Jesus owned and the scripture reference where he said he was ok with slavery.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#153198 Feb 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You follow the herd, or you follow your own path.
You will know the truth a couple minutes after your heart stops.
In the meantime, why do you feel so compelled to tell others they are wrong? 7 billion is over 200 years worth of seconds. That is just the people alive today. Why do you think the vast majority of them choose to believe in a deity? I will guarantee a large portion of them were more intelligent or educated than you think you are.
Following my own path has nothing to do with gathering information.

You might want to stop throwing around words who's meaning you seem to misunderstand. TRUTH, that which is true in accordance with FACT or REALITY. You have NO truth about what happens after we die. You have a belief which insulates you and others from your fear of death. And fear is the motivator, the reason billion of people believe in a deity. Such a warm and comfy feeling to know that death is something to be embraced, something to actually look forward to. Without this belief you face a cold darkness, oblivion, NOTHING. Yes I can see very well why the fear of death spawns billions to worship a deity.

A little research will show that Atheist actually have an IQ greater than those who believe. Has to do with logic and reason I think.

I personally think religion is dangerous, dangerous to individuals and a danger to society. I think it is extremely unhealthy to harbor a belief without evidence, and to believe in something for no good reason. To believe simply because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Our beliefs inform our actions, we should have evidence for our beliefs.
Acadia

Hagerstown, MD

#153199 Feb 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Whereas you told me to "GFY", sweetie? You silly cult.
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I had to put it in terms only an atheist could relate to. You're so low, putting it in a loving , kind way would have gone over your greasy head.
Acadia

Hagerstown, MD

#153200 Feb 11, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Please provide the names of the slaves Jesus owned and the scripture reference where he said he was ok with slavery.
He's a weak atheist coward, he won't be able to do it.

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