Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#152970 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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That is a philosophical question that cannot be answered, at least not until we know everything.
Much like "Nothing is absolutely true is absolutely true."
I'll stick with science, history and our government.
Of course it can be answered.

If you have access to the Creator of the universe.

But you are correct, as a mere human atheist, you cannot answer or account for this very simple principle that pervades Creation.

And that is the point.

You cannot account for anything as an atheist.

Therefore you are arguing that we should accept your position based on your opinion and faith, that reveals itself as a suppression of truth...

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#152971 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I don't accept your definition of atheism.
Atheism, as defined in the Bible:
The fool has said in his heart, there is no God...
whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire

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#152972 Feb 10, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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there is no such thing as sin and morality isn't absolute
Do you have anything to offer other than your arbitrary opinion?

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#152973 Feb 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But that is exactly how we see your claims of the existence of God. The only reason we spend time trying to refute it is that so many people attempt to distort our government and society by their superstitious nonsense. We no longer need to show the non-existence of Zeus or Thor. Yahweh is the same type of myth.
You talk as if society and government belong to you.

Do you perceive yourself to be some type of "ruling class"?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152974 Feb 10, 2013
GenoGirl wrote:
Im not tryng to hit on anyones views but your all just as bad each other in a sense you dont just drop it and move on. some of you seem to keep going as if your trolling so you'll get more bad comments from the other person and wind them up. And another thing it seems both sides of the argument are going nowhere, since neither side can respect others opinions. Im not choosing sides either, since I respect everyones opinion, but to lash out at each other over if Gods real or not is just pointless and it will get you nowhere since neith sides can agree with each other. Finally theres a problem with respect of other peoples beleifs, bashing each other beleifs is stupid and most people will just have to put up with what the other person believes and so on. Im just trying to keep things calm is all
If we dropped it and moved on, what would be the point of a discussion board?

Most Atheists do not have a problem with most believers. Some believers try to force their beliefs into our lives and here in America, we do not have to tolerate that.

If the 50's, the christians forced their god into our Pledge of Allegiance, on our currency and in our government. That was during the McCarthy era when people were scared of our government.

For the past few decades, we have become less and less afraid and starting to take a stand against their mythology being illegally forced upon us.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#152975 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do you have anything to offer other than your arbitrary opinion?
Sin was invented by the catholic church and morality is relative

Do you have anything to offer other than your arbitrary opinion?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152976 Feb 10, 2013
GenoGirl wrote:
Im not tryng to hit on anyones views but your all just as bad each other in a sense you dont just drop it and move on. some of you seem to keep going as if your trolling so you'll get more bad comments from the other person and wind them up. And another thing it seems both sides of the argument are going nowhere, since neither side can respect others opinions. Im not choosing sides either, since I respect everyones opinion, but to lash out at each other over if Gods real or not is just pointless and it will get you nowhere since neith sides can agree with each other. Finally theres a problem with respect of other peoples beleifs, bashing each other beleifs is stupid and most people will just have to put up with what the other person believes and so on. Im just trying to keep things calm is all
Thank you for leaving this comment. You are right in that there is a lot of disrespect on this thread. Believe it or not I have learned from the opposition and will continue to do so. These Atheist are so much fun to engage.

There are some very intelligent and respectful. Then there are those who are just nothing but spiteful. All of them makes this the place to be.

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#152977 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Explain.
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Explain.
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False dilemma fallacy.
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I do not claim that a god does not exist. I do however deny that the god of the bible does not exist.
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Did you read a book on philosophy? Maybe watch a youtube video on the subject? Look up logical fallacies and see how many you can committed.
It is a very simple logical argument.

The truth is self attesting.

It is confirmed by the contrary being illogical...

Pretty basic really...

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152978 Feb 10, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire
Ohhh you don't belive in that do you? You're an Atheist remember?

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#152979 Feb 10, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
A good read about evidence of Christ outside of the Bible.
LOL....ROFL.... That's too funny....

Jesus was a myth, based on another myth. History has already recorded this fact.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152980 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Of course it can be answered.
If you have access to the Creator of the universe.
But you are correct, as a mere human atheist, you cannot answer or account for this very simple principle that pervades Creation.
And that is the point.
You cannot account for anything as an atheist.
Therefore you are arguing that we should accept your position based on your opinion and faith, that reveals itself as a suppression of truth...
If there is a 'truth', everyone would have access to it, unless you can prove otherwise.

You have avoided nearly all of my very simple questions. Why?

How does one, according to your god, cure leprosy?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152981 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I guess, being a christian, means you can pull from the OT when you want and then deny it when you want.
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
You can pull from the NT and OT when you want and then deny it when you want.

Nice application of the double standard.

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#152982 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The mistake you are making is claiming absolute truth. Absolute right and wrong. There are NO absolutes.
You realise you have defeated your own argument here...

Are you absolutely sure there are "no absolutes".

That is an absolute by the way...

==========

And that is the point, to maintain your position, you have to deny the obvious and you end up in contradictions.

You also end up appealing to your own opinion.

That clearly shows that the truth you attack, is true, by the error you are reduced to to deny the truth.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152983 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You talk as if society and government belong to you.
Do you perceive yourself to be some type of "ruling class"?
In America, yes. We are the ruling class. Every last one of us.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152984 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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It is a very simple logical argument.
The truth is self attesting.
It is confirmed by the contrary being illogical...
Pretty basic really...
Again, a lot of words, but you say nothing.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#152985 Feb 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Is
this
your
absolute
truth?
All topix posters are liars .

There's the truth!

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#152986 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You're simply wrong, ONCE again. Don't you get tired of getting your ass kicked over your absolutes?
1.) Homosexuality is NOT abominable, it is to you I'm sure but not a universal claim.
2.) Neither is it socially and morally wrong.
3.) Nor is anything you have just stated, the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. It is simply Your jaded opinion. An opinion dirtied by religious dogma,
Here is some ABSOLUTE facts for you. Homosexuality among the animal kingdom, or which we are apart of, is wide spread. Over 1,500 cases of sam sex behavior has been documented in everything from fruit flies to penguins. There are NO species on the face of the planet that do not display some form of same sex behavior. Fish, reptiles, birds bats, mammals, insects, all display these traits. Now it would appear if you claim that your God is responsible for creating all there is, including every species found o the planet, then he apparently instilled these traits in all of these species, correct? So if your God see's nothing wrong with same sex behavior, what is your problem? I wonder why all these species have been created with same sex behavioral traits, could it be that your God enjoys the same? Just using the reason and logic you wave around so judiciously.
Same sex behavior is not frowned upon in many countries, like the Atheistic countries of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Countries that have booted your demon God out and allowed people live happily without your infamous celestial dictator peering down on them.
You really hate this God that doesn't exist don't you...

So am I absolutely wrong for saying homosexuality is immoral.

Have I "sinned" against humanistic doctrine?

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#152987 Feb 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No all powerful compassionate god exists.
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That is an absolute truth claim you have made there.

Are you departing from the typical atheistic position that says it makes no truth claim on this subject?

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#152988 Feb 10, 2013
Mikko wrote:
whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire
There are instances throughout the bibull where people are called fools. For example, David wrote,“The fool has said in his heart,‘There is no God’”(Psalm 14:1). Paul told the Galatians they were foolish (Galatians 3:1). Jesus even said the Pharisees and scribes were fools in Matthew 23:17.

So according to your "logic" David, Paul and jesus are all right now burning in your hell. Cool. Your bibull is never wrong so thank you for telling us that. Sucks to be David, Paul and jesus though. LOL....

“Think&Care”

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#152989 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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All effects are caused.
Basic causality, upon which science is based...
You can deny that if you see fit.
In fact you might need to if you want to hold onto your particular views.
In fact, you have to, to maintain your absurd position...:-)
You see error has to deny truth to try to maintain its hold over truth.
So you have no choice but to keep denying even the most basic truths of the universe, to support your error.
Proving the very point I am making.:-)
You ignored all of my points. Science is NOT based upon the assumption of causality. That is shown by the *science* of quantum physics, which is not a causal theory.

You still did not define 'causality'. Since I did and my definition doesn't lead to the conclusions you think follow, you need to at least provide a different definition or argue that mine is incorrect.

I pointed out that the *actual* law of causality is: every caused event has a physical cause. You have not refuted that version of the law, but it is clear that it does not support your conclusions. It does, however, follow from my definition of causality.

You have shown your willingness to ignore arguments that reach conclusions you don't like. Now, can you actually stand up and defend your position, or are you simply going to re-state arguments that have already been shown to be wrong

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