Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152936 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Gods absolute morality is revealed.
Sin obscures our perception of that morality.
But God can remove that blindfold if we give Him permission to.
Your god requires permission for us?!?!?

Your god is man made and therefore can do or be anything that any man wants him to be.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#152937 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, your preaching about my preaching contains so many moral imperatives that I would not know which part to say amen to...
I hope you get the point.:-)
Now, to the subject at hand.
I am not making absolute truth claims.
I am pointing you to the Self-existant, eternal God that has created the universe and what He has said about absolute truth.
I am just a messenger, not the writer of the message.
Just to clear that up.
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What is to be noted however, is that you have still not accounted for why you have purpose.
It is not a big problem for me, as I know God gave you purpose, so your life makes sense, if you accept that purpose.
You however, just keep claiming you have purpose.
I understand that, but you do not give a reason WHY you should have a purpose as an atheist.
So you point to the knowledge God has given you, deny God and then fail to account for that knowledge, because you cannot.
Which I am pointing out, proves the point.
You deny Gods ownership of your purpose, but then cannot explain why you own that purpose.
You have tried to steal something from God and have been caught like a child with it in your hands.
Now you are being asked:
"Where did you get that from, did you steal it from God."
With which you reply:
"No, it doesn't belong to God, its mine, I made it."
But that creates a problem.
As purpose can only be created by someone who has total control over all things...
Well now you are just a dishonest liar. You mad the claim back on YOUR POST #152820 that "I am making absolute truth claims."

This conversation goes only this far. You have made a positive claim, actually you have made a number of positive claims about an imaginary being. Before we can have any discussion about this being, you are required to present verifiable evidence that this being exists. Be prepared to show scientific evidence and or proof that can be found in reality for this being. You seem to think that by simply making a claim, that it automatically should be accepted a factual.

I now challenge you to prove that our species was not the result of Panspermia, or seeded by a race of highly advance beings. Either way your God becomes completely irrelevant.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#152938 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Logic and causality plainly reveal the need for a First Cause.
All effects need a cause.
Since the definition of 'effect' is 'something that has a cause', your claim is trivial.
Furthermore, the *real* claim is that all effects have a *physical* cause. And this fact destroys your argument.
That is the foundation of all knowledge.
And, once again, this is wrong. Observation and testing is the basis for all knowledge.
You can of course deny that if you want, but it doesn't stop it being true and it further illustrates the absurd lengths you will go to suppress even the most basic self evident truths that you can observe...
Observation, yes. We *observe* that things that have causes have physical causes. You deny this basic fact, thereby stepping outside of logic.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#152939 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Logic and causality plainly reveal the need for a First Cause.
Please define causality. Logic and the correct definition of causality show that there are *many*'first causes' and none of them have the characteristics of a deity because they are ALL physical.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152940 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolute truth is absolutely true.
Do you deny this?
If you do, explain logically why.
If you do not deny this, then my argument should make sense to you...
That is a philosophical question that cannot be answered, at least not until we know everything.

Much like "Nothing is absolutely true is absolutely true."

I'll stick with science, history and our government.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#152941 Feb 10, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you pretending to be retarded to get attention?
No, I'm not, Tide.

I'm very intelligent.

Even smart enough to white-sheet the mtimber character.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#152942 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The fact of the matter is, is that humanity is enslaved in sin.
Due to their rebellion, they continue in that condition.
So the consequence of God having to deal with slavery is not an unexpected situation.
But before you get off on crying out against a moral standard you do not agree with, you first have to explain how you arrived at an absolute moral standard to make a basis for judgement from...
there is no such thing as sin and morality isn't absolute

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#152943 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact you are at war with Him, is plenty enough evidence.
I do not spend my time trying to prove that lizard men disguised as humans exist as it has no credibility.
But that is exactly how we see your claims of the existence of God. The only reason we spend time trying to refute it is that so many people attempt to distort our government and society by their superstitious nonsense. We no longer need to show the non-existence of Zeus or Thor. Yahweh is the same type of myth.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#152944 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Atheism argues that the herd morality is the absolute morality of the current society.
Theism argues that eating shit is healthy and promotes soul growth.
mtimber wrote:
In the dark ages, it was considered by the herd (society), that atheism was heretical and punishable by death.
People in the dark ages, especially theists, were known for eating shit, because they believed it promoted soul growth.
mtimber wrote:
Therefore, atheism has to condone the persecution of atheism by its own moral standard.
Therefore, theism condones the eating of shit by its own moral standard.
mtimber wrote:
The herd decided atheism was immoral, therefore atheism was immoral...
Absurdity unmatched...
The herd of cows shitting outside the church were worshiped as bovine angels, and their shit was eaten by hungry theists, who believed that the shit contained magical powers that would enlarge their souls, by as much as 15%.

Theists especially love bullshit.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#152945 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolute truth is absolutely true.
And absolute vodka is absolutely vodka.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152946 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>God is self attesting.
Explain.
mtimber wrote:
All arguments that oppose that are reduced to logical absurdity.
Explain.
mtimber wrote:
Therefore it is obviously true...
False dilemma fallacy.
mtimber wrote:
For example, you argue God doesn't exist and deny He has revealed Himself to you, but in the process have to abandon logic and reasoning.
I do not claim that a god does not exist. I do however deny that the god of the bible does not exist.
mtimber wrote:
Which is self refuting and proves the self attestation of God.
Did you read a book on philosophy? Maybe watch a youtube video on the subject? Look up logical fallacies and see how many you can committed.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152947 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
I asked you a simple question. What is your definition or what definition are you using?

Aren't you the one who went to the kid's dictionary to get a meaning that suited you? While ignoring the adult meanings.

If you cannot stand up to scrutiny, then sit back down and listen.
mtimber wrote:
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That seems to be a common definition.
Fire away with our re-definition.:-)
I asked you a simple question. What is your definition or what definition are you using?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#152948 Feb 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
No, I'm not, Tide.
I'm very intelligent.
Even smart enough to white-sheet the mtimber character.
There's no conversation to be had with someone that brainwashed.

He's a good example of the damage that can be caused by faith based thinking and the system of religion.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#152949 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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If no ideology can be taken as implicit truth, then making your own does not solve that conundfum...
And if there is no implicit truth in any ideology, then there is no absolute truth that is discoverable.
And life becomes pointless.
There are no absolute truths and there is no conundrum unless you make one.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#152950 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You are still not dealing with the point.
Please take the time to read it and think about it, as it is clear you are not doing so at the moment.
If morality is what the "herd" decides, then nothing is absolutely wrong or absolutely right.
And you would have followed the herd all through history.
So you would have supported the inquisition.
You would have supported slavery.
You would have supported every crime that every society ever made, because you are morally bound to do so.
Your morality can never rise any higher or challenge the herd.
Therefore, you can never argue that a different herd acted immorally...
You would have been morally bound to accept the earth was flat during the dark ages.
And would have probably been standing outside Gallileos house with a pitchfork and torch demanding his execution...
Time to start thinking and leave the herd, the herd never gets it right...
And the current herd religion is secular atheism...
The mistake you are making is claiming absolute truth. Absolute right and wrong. There are NO absolutes. If you deal in absolutes then can you say that ABSOLUTELY there is no life beyond our solar system? Further, can you say with ABSOLUTE certainly that any life that exists, beyond our scope of detection, was NOT created by another being? And can you say with ABSOLUTE certainly that the universe we now occupy is NOT infinite, that it does NOT have any boundaries or edges, that is has always existed? And can you say with ABSOLUTE certainly that this present universe is but one of many, and the singularity our universe sprang from was simple a "local event?"

What is evident is that we certainly cannot acquire any moral teachings from the bible. A book that condones genocide, baby murdering, slavery, rape, blood sacrifice, and just plain evil.

Your God decided to reveal himself to mankind some 2,000 years ago. Conservative estimates puts our species on the planet some 150,000--200,000 years ago. I wonder just how did we get along morally for 198,000 years. By your logic we should have completely torn our species to shreds long before your demon God decided it was time to show his evil face.
Lincoln

United States

#152951 Feb 10, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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There are no absolute truths and there is no conundrum unless you make one.
Is
this
your
absolute
truth?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#152952 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The fact you are at war with Him, is plenty enough evidence.
I do not spend my time trying to prove that lizard men disguised as humans exist as it has no credibility.
You on the other hand are quite enamored with the:
"God isn't real and I hate Him" argument...
Silly person.

One cannot be at war with, much less hate, that which does not exist.

Pointing out that certain True Believers® are socially stunted (or downright stupid) is not an attack on some mythical deity.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152953 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Stop being such a coward, there are no CONTEMPORARY ACCOUNT OF JESUS OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE. Now that is a FACT. Any other accounts of Jesus were written decades after his existence. That is also a FACT. Don't be a pussy, now, show me your evidence, and not your holy book, that shows that the Jesus you spastically believe in, existed.
My good Doctor, your statement brings up a interesting thought. If Christ lived and died then somewhere in history there would be a reference to him outside of the bible.

It just so happens there is a Roman historian named Senator Tacitus who referred to Christ and Pontius Pilate written in his book 116. It was written in a reference to a great fire in Rome that burned the city 64 AD.

Thank you for bringing up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Chris...

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.

The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero. The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the Canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.

Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.

In terms of an overall context, historian Ronald Mellor has stated that the Annals is "Tacitus's crowning achievement" which represents the "pinnacle of Roman historical writing". The passage is also of historical value in establishing three separate facts about Rome around AD 60:(i) that there were a sizable number of Christians in Rome at the time,(ii) that it was possible to distinguish between Christians and Jews in Rome, and (iii) that at the time pagans made a connection between Christianity in Rome and its origin in Judea.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#152954 Feb 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Is
this
your
absolute
truth?
I don't subscribe to absolute truths.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#152955 Feb 10, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Atheism doesn't "argue" anything. All atheism is is a lack of a belief in a god.
You must be very insecure to need it to mean more so desperately.
I don't accept your definition of atheism.

Atheism, as defined in the Bible:

The fool has said in his heart, there is no God...

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