Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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GenoGirl

Inverness, UK

#152912 Feb 10, 2013
Actually who are you guys to question our faith? same with us having to questions yours, tell me something was all your proof Sceintific or something you seen on Tv? really id love to know
k thanks

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#152913 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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That sounds like something that you cannot prove.
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I don't care if there is a god or not. Until there is evidence for one, it shouldn't even be considered.
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Explain: What are the Laws of Logic?
I don't have to prove it.

It is self evident and all other theories that oppose that self evident truth are reduced to absurdity very quickly.

Truth is self evident.

Error is self evident.

Truth and error can be examined by logic and reason.

But truth is not defined by logic and reason, it defines logic and reason.

Error however can be identified with logic and reason, as it opposes logic and reason.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152914 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The fact you are at war with Him, is plenty enough evidence.
At war?!? Seeing no evidence is war? Not in the real world.
mtimber wrote:
I do not spend my time trying to prove that lizard men disguised as humans exist as it has no credibility.
But there is the same amount of evidence for lizard men as there is for a god.
mtimber wrote:
You on the other hand are quite enamored with the: "God isn't real and I hate Him" argument...
"God isn't real and I hate Him" Reread that.

I realize that you are trying to make Atheists out to be stupid, but one: I do not hate that which does not exist; neither do I wage war on that which does not exist.

Here's a little hint. We are not at war with any god; we are 'at war' with people who want to force a god into our schools and our government.

Remember “cdesign proponentsists”?
Lincoln

United States

#152915 Feb 10, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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In the final analysis, no ideology can be taken as implicit truth. Never accept a master plan for reality from others. Make your own.
True !

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152916 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Is there a difference between Gods absolute morality as expressed in His nature and what the Christian reflects?
Yes, sadly, that is the case.
Explain.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152917 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Call me what you like.
But I would respect you more if you rationally dealt with the points made.:-)
You haven't made any. You make some elaborate and baseless claims that you cannot support, other than with even more elaborate and baseless claims.

What is Pi?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152918 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I don't have to prove it.
It is self evident and all other theories that oppose that self evident truth are reduced to absurdity very quickly.
Truth is self evident.
Error is self evident.
Truth and error can be examined by logic and reason.
But truth is not defined by logic and reason, it defines logic and reason.
Error however can be identified with logic and reason, as it opposes logic and reason.
Lots of words, but you said nothing.

Saying that god is self-evident because you are here, is complete bullshit. You cannot support the statement with anything other than blind faith.

Let's get back to the things that we can prove. How do you cure leprosy?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152919 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The standard english accepted definition of absolute:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/absolu...
I asked you a simple question. What is your definition or what definition are you using?

Aren't you the one who went to the kid's dictionary to get a meaning that suited you? While ignoring the adult meanings.

If you cannot stand up to scrutiny, then sit back down and listen.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152920 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I don't have to prove it.
If you are making the claim, then yes you have to prove it.

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#152921 Feb 10, 2013
GenoGirl wrote:
Actually who are you guys to question our faith? same with us having to questions yours, tell me something was all your proof Sceintific or something you seen on Tv? really id love to know
k thanks
This is the point.

To claim that something is false, is to claim that you absolutely know the truth.

Atheism claims Christianity is false, therefore it is absolutely true.

So now it has to share upon what basis it claims to be absolutely true...

As Christians, this is easy for us to do, as we have the absolute authority of the revelation from God to guide us.

They do not.

They only have theoretical ideas that at their heart are a basic denial of truth and logic.

And when you put the magnifying glass on them, it soon becomes apparent.

Claims like:

"we have science"

Do not hold up very well, when they cannot account for the absolute laws of logic which science requires before it can be performed.

They cannot account for anything.

All they can do is make unsubstantiated truth claims and then try to find disconnected "facts" and often outright fabrications, to bolster up those truth claims.

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#152922 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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At war?!? Seeing no evidence is war? Not in the real world.
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But there is the same amount of evidence for lizard men as there is for a god.
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"God isn't real and I hate Him" Reread that.
I realize that you are trying to make Atheists out to be stupid, but one: I do not hate that which does not exist; neither do I wage war on that which does not exist.
Here's a little hint. We are not at war with any god; we are 'at war' with people who want to force a god into our schools and our government.
Remember “cdesign proponentsists”?
So secular atheists are the only people who have a right to be represented in government and education.

And they "own" the government and schools?

Wow, now that is some bigotry right there..

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#152923 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So then, if that is case, if you do the same, you should be mocked?
You obviously do not understand that every worldview is based on pre-suppositions.
That includes yours...
(arockdidit)
And those pre-suppositions are always assumed.
That being the case, all worldviews should be mocked perhaps?
Including yours?
You condemn yourself to be mocked...
When have I ever told you my worldview or told you "arockdidit"

You're falling apart, ace.

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#152924 Feb 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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True !
Nothing is absolutely true is absolutely true?

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#152925 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Not at all.
Christianity expects atheism.
In fact it even prophecies the modern rise of atheism.
So your premises are totally unsound.
That makes absolutely no sense - which is to be expected from you.

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#152926 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Explain.
Gods absolute morality is revealed.

Sin obscures our perception of that morality.

But God can remove that blindfold if we give Him permission to.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#152927 Feb 10, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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Although they make a lot of noise, atheists have no proof and/or evidence demonstrating that atheism is accurate and correct. They have nothing. Zero. Game over.
Not only do you have no ideas what constitutes being an Atheist, you have no idea how evidence works and just who is responsible for providing evince. Get back to me when you have fully educated yourself!!!!!!

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#152928 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Atheism argues that the herd morality is the absolute morality of the current society.
In the dark ages, it was considered by the herd (society), that atheism was heretical and punishable by death.
Therefore, atheism has to condone the persecution of atheism by its own moral standard.
The herd decided atheism was immoral, therefore atheism was immoral...
Absurdity unmatched...
Atheism doesn't "argue" anything. All atheism is is a lack of a belief in a god.

You must be very insecure to need it to mean more so desperately.

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#152929 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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You haven't made any. You make some elaborate and baseless claims that you cannot support, other than with even more elaborate and baseless claims.
What is Pi?
Absolute truth is absolutely true.

Do you deny this?

If you do, explain logically why.

If you do not deny this, then my argument should make sense to you...

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#152930 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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I asked you a simple question. What is your definition or what definition are you using?
Aren't you the one who went to the kid's dictionary to get a meaning that suited you? While ignoring the adult meanings.
If you cannot stand up to scrutiny, then sit back down and listen.
That seems to be a common definition.

Fire away with our re-definition.:-)

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#152931 Feb 10, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Lots of words, but you said nothing.
Saying that god is self-evident because you are here, is complete bullshit. You cannot support the statement with anything other than blind faith.
Let's get back to the things that we can prove. How do you cure leprosy?
God is self attesting.

All arguments that oppose that are reduced to logical absurdity.

Therefore it is obviously true...

For example, you argue God doesn't exist and deny He has revealed Himself to you, but in the process have to abandon logic and reasoning.

Which is self refuting and proves the self attestation of God.

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