Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Givemeliberty]

Aww Dave is going full Christian apologetic arguments now. The tired old atheism is a religion fallacy right on time.

And yes Dave we will tell you what an atheist is when you get it wrong.

You're very welcome.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Then you have a belief system, with the attendant faith requirement to sustain that belief.

[Dave Nelson]

scaritual wrote:

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Thanks, again, for illustrating what is being discussed here, and that no one can tell you what an atheist is or isn't, and that what is found in a dictionary, or reference source, while many people may agree, but not all do.
But there are definitions that do suit a persons stance, and those are available.
Thanks, Dave. You proved my point, flawlessly.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quibbler

That is what you are.

[Dave Nelson]

scaritual wrote:

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Describe that belief system.

That if you keep your head up your ass, and quibble a lot, you will never find proof of a deity or order of higher intelligence.

[Very Cynical Person]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Then you have a belief system, with the attendant faith requirement to sustain that belief.

Really so anything that you or I do not believe in is taken on faith.

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quibbler
That is what you are.

Don't be angry, Dave.

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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That if you keep your head up your ass, and quibble a lot, you will never find proof of a deity or order of higher intelligence.

Don't be angry, Dave.

[Dave Nelson]

Dave Nelson wrote:
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That if you keep your head up your ass, and quibble a lot, you will never find proof of a deity or order of higher intelligence.

scaritual wrote:

<quoted text>Don't be angry, Dave.

It's an appraisal, Scar, not anger.

Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are mad at you.

[Catcher1]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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That is what you are.

You Are My Destiny
You share my reverie
You are my happiness
That's what you are

You have my sweet caress
You share my loneliness
You are my dream come true
That's what you are

OK, whose song?

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

Dave Nelson wrote:
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That if you keep your head up your ass, and quibble a lot, you will never find proof of a deity or order of higher intelligence.
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It's an appraisal, Scar, not anger.
Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are mad at you.

Also, your opinion is just an opinion, as is mine.

My opinion is that you became a little grumbled.

[Imhotep]

Langoliers wrote:

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Still You can't answer this question?
Do You believe there is no God or gods?
If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?
You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.
Sorry but you still lose.

Lose?
Are you in a contest?
There isn't a 'winner/loser.

You have faith/beliefs that we do not.

Faith
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.

Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

Atheist view...

We see no fundamental difference between religious beliefs that include one god or more than one. Gods are human inventions.

For example, in the Bible, the command to worship one God in one way only, to the exclusion of all others, seems originally to have been a way of uniting a people within their social structure and engendering enmity against other peoples who might compete for, or already possess, desired land and resources, and ‘justification’ for their genocide related in several places in the Bible such as Numbers 31:17-18. In the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings, genocide and regicide are shown as commands from God, who is clearly a god of war in those books.

The idea of the biblical God changes throughout the course of the Bible as does the name, and there seem to be several changes of Deity.

There are many examples in your Bible.
;)

[Dave Nelson]

scaritual wrote:

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Also, your opinion is just an opinion, as is mine.
My opinion is that you became a little grumbled.

My opinion is based on facts.

You seem over-sensitized to criticism. Had a lot of it?

[Langoliers]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text>I have not seen heard smelled felt or tasted a god, but YOU say there is one. You believe there's a god. I don't believe you.
Therefore either you prove there is a god or shut the fuck up.
Because I believe things I can see hear feel taste and or smell.
Produce a god and I will believe you.

Still You can't answer this question?

Do You believe there is no God or gods?

If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?

You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.

Sorry but you still lose.

[Langoliers]

scaritual wrote:

<quoted text>Nope, I've never said "no gods exist".

Well you make up you mind and get back to me.

[NightSerf]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quibbler
That is what you are.

Sometimes I think that quibbling is what Topix is for. We sure do see a lot of it. Here on the Atheist forum, we have one writer who seems to be do nothing but argue about whether the UK is a monarchy or not and another who spent months arguing about whether humans landed on the moon as aliens to it and whether Pharaohs were really gods. IMO, those who repeat the same tired arguments without end are dead weight in forums that could be moving along instead of getting stuck all of the time.

Sometimes I feel like Diogenes in a fruitless search for original thinking. They are few and far between. One of the reasons that I post less often than most other regulars is that I try not to repeat what has already been said more than can be helped.

There's an old joke, kinda gross, but apt:

"Daddy, Daddy, I keep going around in circles."

"Shut up or I'll nail down your other foot!"

Some of us write like that kid, with one of both feet nailed to a single argument. I'd love to see more with their feet free (and healed), running with wild abandon in the realm of ideas.

[NightSerf]

Catcher1 wrote:

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You Are My Destiny
You share my reverie
You are my happiness
That's what you are
You have my sweet caress
You share my loneliness
You are my dream come true
That's what you are
OK, whose song?

Hmmm... I was thinking Frankie Avalon, but I looked it up and it was his doppelganger,Paul Anka.

[Langoliers]

Imhotep wrote:

<quoted text>Lose?

You have faith/beliefs that we do not.

Faith
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.

Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

Atheist view...

We see no fundamental difference between religious beliefs that include one god or more than one. Gods are human inventions.

For example, in the Bible, the command to worship one God in one way only, to the exclusion of all others, seems originally to have been a way of uniting a people within their social structure and engendering enmity against other peoples who might compete for, or already possess, desired land and resources, and ‘justification’ for their genocide related in several places in the Bible such as Numbers 31:17-18. In the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings, genocide and regicide are shown as commands from God, who is clearly a god of war in those books.

The idea of the biblical God changes throughout the course of the Bible as does the name, and there seem to be several changes of Deity.

There are many examples in your Bible.
;)

You are wrong, you do have a belief.
You are supporting you brethren any they support you on your beliefs.
You come on these threads and positively assert your beliefs and attack the people who beliefs differ from yours

[Dave Nelson]

NightSerf wrote:

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Sometimes I think that quibbling is what Topix is for. We sure do see a lot of it. Here on the Atheist forum, we have one writer who seems to be do nothing but argue about whether the UK is a monarchy or not and another who spent months arguing about whether humans landed on the moon as aliens to it and whether Pharaohs were really gods. IMO, those who repeat the same tired arguments without end are dead weight in forums that could be moving along instead of getting stuck all of the time.
Sometimes I feel like Diogenes in a fruitless search for original thinking. They are few and far between. One of the reasons that I post less often than most other regulars is that I try not to repeat what has already been said more than can be helped.
There's an old joke, kinda gross, but apt:
"Daddy, Daddy, I keep going around in circles."
"Shut up or I'll nail down your other foot!"
Some of us write like that kid, with one of both feet nailed to a single argument. I'd love to see more with their feet free (and healed), running with wild abandon in the realm of ideas.

To be honest, that would raise the bar too high for most Topix atheists.

Your sentiments are shared by many.

[Richardfs]

Langoliers wrote:

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Just call me Pan!
Peter Pan.

That's right, you never grew up and live in Never Neverland.

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

My opinion is based on facts.

Sure, grumpy, sure.

Dave Nelson wrote:

You seem over-sensitized to criticism. Had a lot of it?

I wouldn't know.

What's it like? Ahh, I forgot about the *Electric Universe* theory you favor. You don't have to answer, I've seen how it affects you.

[Imhotep]

Langoliers wrote:

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You are wrong, you do have a belief.
You are supporting you brethren any they support you on your beliefs.
You come on these threads and positively assert your beliefs and attack the people who beliefs differ from yours

Attack? Myth is well... MYTH!

Is your faith so weak it cannot stand criticism?

You for example, seem to possess a unfounded, exaggerated distrust of atheists that is reaching delusional proportions.

You suspect the motives of others and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get me, or destroy my precious beliefs".

Which 'god'-- won the day -- 9/11?
Yours or theirs ? and whom went to paradise/heaven?

Take your time, I would feel terrible if you blow another cell.

;)