Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#152691 Feb 9, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You Are My Destiny
You share my reverie
You are my happiness
That's what you are
You have my sweet caress
You share my loneliness
You are my dream come true
That's what you are
OK, whose song?
Hmmm... I was thinking Frankie Avalon, but I looked it up and it was his doppelganger,Paul Anka.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#152692 Feb 9, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>Lose?

You have faith/beliefs that we do not.

Faith
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.

Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

Atheist view...

We see no fundamental difference between religious beliefs that include one god or more than one. Gods are human inventions.

For example, in the Bible, the command to worship one God in one way only, to the exclusion of all others, seems originally to have been a way of uniting a people within their social structure and engendering enmity against other peoples who might compete for, or already possess, desired land and resources, and ‘justification’ for their genocide related in several places in the Bible such as Numbers 31:17-18. In the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings, genocide and regicide are shown as commands from God, who is clearly a god of war in those books.

The idea of the biblical God changes throughout the course of the Bible as does the name, and there seem to be several changes of Deity.

There are many examples in your Bible.
;)
You are wrong, you do have a belief.
You are supporting you brethren any they support you on your beliefs.
You come on these threads and positively assert your beliefs and attack the people who beliefs differ from yours

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152693 Feb 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Sometimes I think that quibbling is what Topix is for. We sure do see a lot of it. Here on the Atheist forum, we have one writer who seems to be do nothing but argue about whether the UK is a monarchy or not and another who spent months arguing about whether humans landed on the moon as aliens to it and whether Pharaohs were really gods. IMO, those who repeat the same tired arguments without end are dead weight in forums that could be moving along instead of getting stuck all of the time.
Sometimes I feel like Diogenes in a fruitless search for original thinking. They are few and far between. One of the reasons that I post less often than most other regulars is that I try not to repeat what has already been said more than can be helped.
There's an old joke, kinda gross, but apt:
"Daddy, Daddy, I keep going around in circles."
"Shut up or I'll nail down your other foot!"
Some of us write like that kid, with one of both feet nailed to a single argument. I'd love to see more with their feet free (and healed), running with wild abandon in the realm of ideas.
To be honest, that would raise the bar too high for most Topix atheists.

Your sentiments are shared by many.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#152694 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Just call me Pan!
Peter Pan.
That's right, you never grew up and live in Never Neverland.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152695 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
My opinion is based on facts.
Sure, grumpy, sure.
Dave Nelson wrote:
You seem over-sensitized to criticism. Had a lot of it?
I wouldn't know.

What's it like? Ahh, I forgot about the *Electric Universe* theory you favor. You don't have to answer, I've seen how it affects you.
Imhotep

United States

#152696 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong, you do have a belief.
You are supporting you brethren any they support you on your beliefs.
You come on these threads and positively assert your beliefs and attack the people who beliefs differ from yours
Attack? Myth is well... MYTH!

Is your faith so weak it cannot stand criticism?

You for example, seem to possess a unfounded, exaggerated distrust of atheists that is reaching delusional proportions.

You suspect the motives of others and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get me, or destroy my precious beliefs".

Which 'god'-- won the day -- 9/11?
Yours or theirs ? and whom went to paradise/heaven?

Take your time, I would feel terrible if you blow another cell.

;)

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#152697 Feb 9, 2013
zander714 wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
Oh, good.

So why are you hangin' around here again?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152698 Feb 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, grumpy, sure.
<quoted text>I wouldn't know.
What's it like? Ahh, I forgot about the *Electric Universe* theory you favor. You don't have to answer, I've seen how it affects you.
That theory points in a more accurate direction. But it leads to a Supreme Being. It will be fought tooth and nail, but it can not be denied.

Your body, your chainsaw, and this universe were not assembled by gravity. Your use of that chainsaw and that computer proves laws channeling that bipolar energy exist. Look at lots of those deep space photos and look at neurons.

You suffer from delusions of grandeur if you think we as individual humans came up with that manipulation of forces first.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#152699 Feb 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm... I was thinking Frankie Avalon, but I looked it up and it was his doppelganger,Paul Anka.
Huuuge difference!

Paul Anka has (had?) a voice.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152700 Feb 9, 2013
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread924...

Can you imagine sitting around all day carving these things?

Lots and lots of spare time on people's hands, or they had some economical value.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152701 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amusing.
I was an atheist for 50 years. I've had countless discussions on the subject, used much the same basis for it as you guys, a disbelief in Bible God at first. For the record, I still don't believe in that version. But the difference between you and me was I didn't tell others they were stupid for believing, or get into knock down drag outs with them. I gave arguments for why I believed what I did. I denied the existence of gods. It was my belief. I had no reason to weasel words to define myself.
I will say this kindly.
YOU WILL NOT TELL ME WHAT A FUCKING ATHEIST IS OR ISN'T.
My present views are fairly recent. I do not subscribe to a particular god or belief system. I am just aware, reinforced heavily by an understanding of physics and systems.
All you words and not a single thing addressing anything I said. Fascinating.

Care to point out where I have ever told anyone their were stupid for believing, or are you just making stuff up (again)?

As atheism itself is noting more than a category which includes all lines of thought not in the category of theism, there are lots of different and extremely varied views.

Personally, I more an ignostic or theological noncognitivist when in comes to my non-theistic argument. But, as I have said on many occasions, that really tells you nothing about what a person is, just what they are not (i.e., not theist). I, like a number of atheists on these threads, am also a Humanist.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#152702 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
My opinion is based on facts.
You seem over-sensitized to criticism. Had a lot of it?
Who agreed your opinion was based on facts? You?

Ok

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152703 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Who agreed your opinion was based on facts? You?
Ok
It would be obvious to any intelligent person without mental issues.

Sorry you can't see that.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#152704 Feb 9, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Still You can't answer this question?
Do You believe there is no God or gods?
If you answer no then why do you attack Theists and call their faith a myth?
You do this because you do have a positive assertion that there is no God or gods. The facts are posted all over these threads by atheist and you with a positive assertion that there is no such thing as a God or gods.
Sorry but you still lose.
You sound so much like a broken thing, repeating the same lines...... and never able to produce the god you so dream up.
\\

You so far from ever winning anything propose to defeat me.
But have never even brought your claim into the light enough

to be seen by anyone but yourself.

Again if you produce the evidence you have anything but lies to offer, I would follow your cause. And I could incite men to follow me. But you in fact incite lies, and deception.

You have no power of any nature , let alone any power above it.
My steel and lead will shred and dismember you to fubar.

My strength will see this through, your end was a calculation, both above your ability to resist and surmountable only by our obituary. I am a Lord above you and you subject to my command.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#152705 Feb 9, 2013
zander714 wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
no one leaves this world,not until we build the Spaceships
lol
tough luck huh?

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152706 Feb 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You are the one who confessed to torturing animals as a child and you dream about your Jesus having non believers tortured for eternity. How can you possibly be a bigger sadist? Now compare all your sadist talk to yourself and Jesus.
<quoted text>
We have touched on a very serious physiological imbalance in your persona. Your sadism trait is also found in mass murderers. Its seen in your annotations and its evident that you have serious anti social issues. It has nothing to do with Atheism but everything to do with sadism.

We dont know your past or what you are doing now with this pain inflecting personality. I can only hope you have not hurt or killed anyone in the physical sense. People should be very concerned that live near you. The BTK killer was able to mask his sadism for years in the community.

Saddam Hussein and his two sons were also sadist. Very dangerous and took great pleasure in torturing people. Im not saying you are a murder. Im saying I cant say youre not. That concerns me very much. You wear your sadism on your sleeve for everyone to see.

You fail to realize that this is not a desirable trait that you are carrying around. Its far from being the norm. Get help.

Imhotep

United States

#152707 Feb 9, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
no one leaves this world,not until we build the Spaceships
lol
tough luck huh?
Buddha purchased my Bible with a $10 dollar bill, when He asked me for his change I said, "Alas, Buddha... change must come from within..."

;)

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152708 Feb 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Sometimes I think that quibbling is what Topix is for. We sure do see a lot of it. Here on the Atheist forum, we have one writer who seems to be do nothing but argue about whether the UK is a monarchy or not and another who spent months arguing about whether humans landed on the moon as aliens to it and whether Pharaohs were really gods. IMO, those who repeat the same tired arguments without end are dead weight in forums that could be moving along instead of getting stuck all of the time.
Sometimes I feel like Diogenes in a fruitless search for original thinking. They are few and far between. One of the reasons that I post less often than most other regulars is that I try not to repeat what has already been said more than can be helped.
There's an old joke, kinda gross, but apt:
"Daddy, Daddy, I keep going around in circles."
"Shut up or I'll nail down your other foot!"
Some of us write like that kid, with one of both feet nailed to a single argument. I'd love to see more with their feet free (and healed), running with wild abandon in the realm of ideas.
I always find what you write to be interesting and always look forward to seeing what you have to say.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#152709 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That theory points in a more accurate direction. But it leads to a Supreme Being. It will be fought tooth and nail, but it can not be denied.
Your body, your chainsaw, and this universe were not assembled by gravity. Your use of that chainsaw and that computer proves laws channeling that bipolar energy exist. Look at lots of those deep space photos and look at neurons.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur if you think we as individual humans came up with that manipulation of forces first.
so,do tell,who assembled the Supreme Being?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152710 Feb 9, 2013
Ok hey let's play along for fun. Ahem.

So Dave you say you were an atheist for 50 years yes? So as a long time non believer how did you find god?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be obvious to any intelligent person without mental issues.
Sorry you can't see that.

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