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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152738 Feb 9, 2013
Yes indeed you worship a hideous immoral myth a divine genocidal beast.
Eagle12 wrote:
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2 Peter 3:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152739 Feb 10, 2013
Obsess much? Ok gramps I noticed you have made several errors in your schizophrenic ramblings. First you say you were an atheist for 50 years until a mean topix atheist bashed Jesus and Paul. This upset you for some reason and lead you to understand god was real and had been hiding in your old work as an electrician. And you honestly expect us to believe this?

If this were true that a topix poster and fellow atheist made you convert to being a theist because he bashed Jesus and Paul then you sir are a very weak minded sheep. Even I don't believe you are that stupid Dave, you're just not. You are a liar though and a Christian hiding his faith.

Had you been a baker no doubt god would be yeast. Baal was an ancient middle eastern god and was often the god of the city. Several cities had Baal gods almost like a guard dog-gods so to speak. Your machine nonsense and ancients doing similar strings and magnets experiments for god is sadly a product of your imagination.

And your correct interpretation of the bible to smooth things out is typical of Christians, which you are as shown by you getting furious at Jesus and Paul being mocked.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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This forum. One of his big things was the time after the crucifixion being evidence it was a conspiracy. Boy, did he ever hate Paul. It grew from those local machines, which is what Baal was, I have an electrical background,
The ancients did the same thing, with more knowledge of the desired effects than I have,
We ultimately are devices used to manifest the expressions of something larger.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152740 Feb 10, 2013
The difference being we would have evidence for ice bergs.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Bob I wonder what would happen if we could go back in time and try to warn the passengers boarding the Titanic of their ill fated voyage. A new ship, on it’s maiden voyage. Advertised so well built that even God couldn’t sink it.
I bet not one person would change their mind, not one. We would be seen as crazy and probably locked up in the jail. The Titanic was a death ship before it left the port Bob.
No one would believe it even if you told them it wasn’t going to make it.
A myth? A joke? No it was a doomed voyage and history has bared out that fact. History will also bare out the truth about God. You say no God, I say yes. But History will unveil the truth Bob, it will.

Since: Jan 13

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#152741 Feb 10, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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So all Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, etc. are immoral in your mind.
You clearly haven't understood my point...

Since: Jan 13

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#152742 Feb 10, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You keep making stuff up.
"Transcendence" refers to the aspect of God's nature and power which is wholly independent of (and removed from) the material universe.
You have yet to prove that the concept of "independent / removed / outside the universe" is even meaningful possible. Do that and then you can work on what evidence you have of any intelligence behind it.
Laws of logic.

Are they material or immaterial?

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#152743 Feb 10, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You are the only one trying to claim societal morals are "absolute". But you've yet to provide independently verifiable evidence for such a claim.
That is not what I have claimed, so I cannot respond to this point...

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#152744 Feb 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Don't need god for that.
And love isn't absolute.
You realise that this is mere opinion of course?

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#152745 Feb 10, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire
Jesus was not saying that foolish reasoning is not to be identified...:-)

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#152746 Feb 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text> Humanism. No deity required.
So humanism is the basis of morality.

So when slavery was morally acceptable, by society, it was ok?

According to your argument, it would be.

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#152747 Feb 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text> Humanism. No deity required.
And to take your argument to its illogical conclusion, morality did not exist before humanism arose...

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#152748 Feb 10, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Atheists say with their tongue that there is no God, u can't know what their heart says.
How many religious people say they love God from their mouths but they kill their neighbour? Get jealous of their neighbour? Those are the people who have denied God from their hearts. They are the fools!
I don't say I know.

I say God knows and He has told us.

Distinct difference.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152749 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You clearly haven't understood my point...
You're arguing for an "absolute morality" which, according to you includes "love God".

First, I would argue that there is no such thing as an "absolute morality" as all morality is defined by humans.

Even ignoring that, any "absolute morality" would by definition have to be applicable to everybody, including Buddhist, or it could not be considered "absolute".

So, your argument for any "absolute morality" fails on at least 2 levels.

Oh but that's right ... you're just making stuff up.

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#152750 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The REAL fool says that our species came to be after an imaginary being blew on a handful of dirt and a man magically appeared.
What about the man that states a gust of wind blew on a handful of dirt and man magically appeared.

How would you define him?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152751 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Laws of logic.
Are they material or immaterial?
Pronoun problems - define what you mean "they"?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152752 Feb 10, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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That is not what I have claimed, so I cannot respond to this point...
Oh, so now you're not claiming "absolute morals". Okay.

You really need to get clear on what you are arguing and then show some real independently verifiable evidence for your position.

Since: Jan 13

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#152753 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>This person didn't claim they had NO purpose, only that they didn't rely on an imaginary being for that purpose. And they are right, how sad it is that you can only find your purpose in life through a mythical being.
And what kind of twisted concept is it that you equate our origin to having a purpose.
Here's a hypothetical question that I know you will refuse to answer........but for the sake of everyone reading this, it will show how brainwashed you are..........What if tomorrow, evidence was produced that proved BEYOND ANY DOUBT that your God does not exist. What then would your purpose be?......Now we'll all wait for the........."No one can prove that God doesn't exist".........or..... "It's a stupid question, there will always be God." Anything to avoid the question. But, lets just see how honest you are.....What would your purpose be without God?
As the truth of God is self evident, your question does not really make much sense...

But you still are missing the point.

How do you account for the idea of purpose and destiny in an atheistic universe.

You cannot.

The explanation is simple, you were created by God, with purpose, but due to the desire to suppress that knowledge of God, including His purpose for you, you have to deny His existance.

Then you are caught in the conundrum of accounting for the purpose you intrinsically know you have, without the originator of that purpose to help you define it.

So what happens then?

Nothing, you just keep claiming you have purpose but cannot account for it.

You cannot explain it, because the explanation is not something you are comfortable with...

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152754 Feb 10, 2013
That is the creation of Adam in the bible right? Pretty damn silly indeed.
mtimber wrote:
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What about the man that states a gust of wind blew on a handful of dirt and man magically appeared.
How would you define him?

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#152755 Feb 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it that you know so very little? Moral standards are set by societies. A group of people decide what is acceptable behavior, it usually addresses harm to member of that society. Laws are made, moral standards are accepted. Thats it. No God necessary. That would be especially true if the core of those standards came from the infamous 10 commandments. The first four of which deal solely with your God obsession with vanity. The other commandments are part of the Golden Rule which needs no God thing. Its always disturbing to me that nowhere in the 10 commandments is there anything about RAPE, or about CRUELTY TO CHILDREN. I guess it's a good thing we have the Golden rule to cover those horrors God felt were NOT necessary.
So if man defines morality, then slavery, which society deemed morally acceptable was ok?

I hope you see the absurdity of the position you hold when you try to give society the credit for setting morality...

You cannot argue that anything is intrinsically wrong or right, it is just a matter of crowd politics.

That then means that morality is merely the expression of the majorities desire.

Which creates a problem, when the majorities desire is harmful to the individual...

Since: Jan 13

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#152756 Feb 10, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Modern secular humanist morality is by far superior and only getting better.
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If you say so, it must be true?

How can you argue that any morality is superior if you do not accept that absolute morality exists?

Illogical.

:-)

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152757 Feb 10, 2013
But your god in the old and New Testament advocates for slavery, are you saying he was immoral for that?

I got a hundred bucks that says he dodges and avoids questions :)
mtimber wrote:
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So if man defines morality, then slavery, which society deemed morally acceptable was ok?
I hope you see the absurdity of the position you hold when you try to give society the credit for setting morality...
You cannot argue that anything is intrinsically wrong or right, it is just a matter of crowd politics.
That then means that morality is merely the expression of the majorities desire.
Which creates a problem, when the majorities desire is harmful to the individual...

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