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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Imhotep

United States

#152707 Feb 9, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
no one leaves this world,not until we build the Spaceships
lol
tough luck huh?
Buddha purchased my Bible with a $10 dollar bill, when He asked me for his change I said, "Alas, Buddha... change must come from within..."

;)

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152708 Feb 9, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Sometimes I think that quibbling is what Topix is for. We sure do see a lot of it. Here on the Atheist forum, we have one writer who seems to be do nothing but argue about whether the UK is a monarchy or not and another who spent months arguing about whether humans landed on the moon as aliens to it and whether Pharaohs were really gods. IMO, those who repeat the same tired arguments without end are dead weight in forums that could be moving along instead of getting stuck all of the time.
Sometimes I feel like Diogenes in a fruitless search for original thinking. They are few and far between. One of the reasons that I post less often than most other regulars is that I try not to repeat what has already been said more than can be helped.
There's an old joke, kinda gross, but apt:
"Daddy, Daddy, I keep going around in circles."
"Shut up or I'll nail down your other foot!"
Some of us write like that kid, with one of both feet nailed to a single argument. I'd love to see more with their feet free (and healed), running with wild abandon in the realm of ideas.
I always find what you write to be interesting and always look forward to seeing what you have to say.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#152709 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That theory points in a more accurate direction. But it leads to a Supreme Being. It will be fought tooth and nail, but it can not be denied.
Your body, your chainsaw, and this universe were not assembled by gravity. Your use of that chainsaw and that computer proves laws channeling that bipolar energy exist. Look at lots of those deep space photos and look at neurons.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur if you think we as individual humans came up with that manipulation of forces first.
so,do tell,who assembled the Supreme Being?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152710 Feb 9, 2013
Ok hey let's play along for fun. Ahem.

So Dave you say you were an atheist for 50 years yes? So as a long time non believer how did you find god?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be obvious to any intelligent person without mental issues.
Sorry you can't see that.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152711 Feb 9, 2013
Wow you are really tearing into Jesus! Again Daffy you believe you will be in heaven looking down at people getting tortured forever in hell while Jesus high fives you. You and you religion are the very definition of sadist. Sorry but it is the truth.

I see you can't even deny it.
Eagle12 wrote:
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We have touched on a very serious physiological imbalance in your persona. Your sadism trait is also found in mass murderers. It’s seen in your annotations and it’s evident that you have serious anti social issues. It has nothing to do with Atheism but everything to do with sadism.
We don’t know your past or what you are doing now with this pain inflecting personality. I can only hope you have not hurt or killed anyone in the physical sense. People should be very concerned that live near you. The BTK killer was able to mask his sadism for years in the community.
Saddam Hussein and his two sons were also sadist. Very dangerous and took great pleasure in torturing people. I’m not saying you are a murder. I’m saying I can’t say you’re not. That concerns me very much. You wear your sadism on your sleeve for everyone to see.
You fail to realize that this is not a desirable trait that you are carrying around. It’s far from being the norm. Get help.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152712 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You sound so much like a broken thing, repeating the same lines...... and never able to produce the god you so dream up.
\\
You so far from ever winning anything propose to defeat me.
But have never even brought your claim into the light enough
to be seen by anyone but yourself.
Again if you produce the evidence you have anything but lies to offer, I would follow your cause. And I could incite men to follow me. But you in fact incite lies, and deception.
You have no power of any nature , let alone any power above it.
My steel and lead will shred and dismember you to fubar.
My strength will see this through, your end was a calculation, both above your ability to resist and surmountable only by our obituary. I am a Lord above you and you subject to my command.
I don’t think it’s possible for an individual to prove to you that God is real in this life.

The proof you need comes after you have died. All I can say you will get that chance to find out.

If your right that mankind doesn’t have a soul then your will just expire. But if you are wrong and mankind does have a soul you will know that God is, was and forever was real.

I know he is real. I’m not guessing, or hoping, I know for myself that he is real. Beyond any shadow of doubt and beyond faith into the absolutes, positive. That’s how sure I am.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152713 Feb 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Wow you are really tearing into Jesus! Again Daffy you believe you will be in heaven looking down at people getting tortured forever in hell while Jesus high fives you. You and you religion are the very definition of sadist. Sorry but it is the truth.
I see you can't even deny it.
<quoted text>
2 Peter 3:9
King James Version (KJV)

9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#152714 Feb 9, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t think it’s possible for an individual to prove to you that God is real in this life.
The proof you need comes after you have died. All I can say you will get that chance to find out.
If your right that mankind doesn’t have a soul then your will just expire. But if you are wrong and mankind does have a soul you will know that God is, was and forever was real.
I know he is real. I’m not guessing, or hoping, I know for myself that he is real. Beyond any shadow of doubt and beyond faith into the absolutes, positive. That’s how sure I am.
boy are you gonna be fked meeting Allah then!
Imhotep

United States

#152715 Feb 9, 2013
Since his birth, poor blind Herbie had never seen the light of day. One day at bedtime, his mother told him that the next day would be a very special one. If he prayed extra hard to Jesus, he'd be able to see when he woke up the next morning.

Eagerly, Herbie crouched down on his knees beside his bed and put his hands together. For hours, he prayed and prayed to Jesus.

The next morning Herbie's mother came into his room and gently woke him from his sleep.

"Well Herbie, open your eyes and you'll know that Jesus answered your prayers."

Little Herbie slowly opened his eyes, only to cry out, "Mother! Mother! I STILL CAN'T SEE!"

"I know, dear," said his mother. "APRIL FOOL"!

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#152716 Feb 9, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I don’t think it’s possible for an individual to prove to you that God is real in this life.
Correct. This is because your god is 100% myth, delusional ravings of a drug-induced, demented mind.
Eagle12 wrote:
The proof you need comes after you have died. All I can say you will get that chance to find out.
If that's the case? I have nothing to worry about. For if there is a god, it's not YOUR god-- YOUR god is nearly pure evil.
Eagle12 wrote:
If your right that mankind doesn’t have a soul then your will just expire. But if you are wrong and mankind does have a soul you will know that God is, was and forever was real.
Again? It is safe to say, this hypothetical god won't be anything YOU know about.
Eagle12 wrote:
I know he is real. I’m not guessing, or hoping, I know for myself that he is real. Beyond any shadow of doubt and beyond faith into the absolutes, positive. That’s how sure I am.
No-- you "know" no such thing. This is your own self-induced delusions speaking.

And a demonstration of the depths of your mental depravity.

For the god you >>think<< you know? Is so evil, that if >>your<< god were real?

Your monster/terrorist god would have destroyed humankind long before now.

So, no. You are 100% wrong.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#152717 Feb 9, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I’m not saying you are a murder.
Tell us, Eagle.

How can a person be a murder?

Huh?
Imhotep

United States

#152718 Feb 9, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Peter 3:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Philosophy has questions that may never be answered.

Religion has answers that may never be questioned.

Jesus made his usual rounds in heaven when he noticed a wizened, white-haired old man sitting in a corner looking very disconsolate. The next week he was disturbed to come across him again, looking equally miserable, and a week later he stopped to talk to him.

"See here, old fellow," said Jesus kindly, "this is heaven. The sun is shining, you've got all you could want to eat, all the instruments you might want to play-- you're supposed to be blissfully happy! What's wrong?

"Well," said the old man, "you see, I was a carpenter on earth, and lost my only, dearly beloved son at an early age. And here in heaven I was hoping more than anything to find him."

Tears sprang from Jesus' eyes. "FATHER!" he cried.

The old man jumped to his feet, bursting into tears, and sobbed, "PINOCCHIO"!

;)
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#152719 Feb 9, 2013
You're a silly cu*t.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
To be honest, that would raise the bar too high for most Topix atheists.
Your sentiments are shared by many.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152720 Feb 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Correct. This is because your god is 100% myth, delusional ravings of a drug-induced, demented mind.
<quoted text>
If that's the case? I have nothing to worry about. For if there is a god, it's not YOUR god-- YOUR god is nearly pure evil.
<quoted text>
Again? It is safe to say, this hypothetical god won't be anything YOU know about.
<quoted text>
No-- you "know" no such thing. This is your own self-induced delusions speaking.
And a demonstration of the depths of your mental depravity.
For the god you >>think<< you know? Is so evil, that if >>your<< god were real?
Your monster/terrorist god would have destroyed humankind long before now.
So, no. You are 100% wrong.
Bob I wonder what would happen if we could go back in time and try to warn the passengers boarding the Titanic of their ill fated voyage. A new ship, on it’s maiden voyage. Advertised so well built that even God couldn’t sink it.

I bet not one person would change their mind, not one. We would be seen as crazy and probably locked up in the jail. The Titanic was a death ship before it left the port Bob.
No one would believe it even if you told them it wasn’t going to make it.

A myth? A joke? No it was a doomed voyage and history has bared out that fact. History will also bare out the truth about God. You say no God, I say yes. But History will unveil the truth Bob, it will.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152721 Feb 9, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Philosophy has questions that may never be answered.
Religion has answers that may never be questioned.
Jesus made his usual rounds in heaven when he noticed a wizened, white-haired old man sitting in a corner looking very disconsolate. The next week he was disturbed to come across him again, looking equally miserable, and a week later he stopped to talk to him.
"See here, old fellow," said Jesus kindly, "this is heaven. The sun is shining, you've got all you could want to eat, all the instruments you might want to play-- you're supposed to be blissfully happy! What's wrong?
"Well," said the old man, "you see, I was a carpenter on earth, and lost my only, dearly beloved son at an early age. And here in heaven I was hoping more than anything to find him."
Tears sprang from Jesus' eyes. "FATHER!" he cried.
The old man jumped to his feet, bursting into tears, and sobbed, "PINOCCHIO"!
;)
Cute,:)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#152722 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your body, your chainsaw, and this universe were not assembled by gravity.
There are four fundamental forces. E&M is *one* of them. So is gravity. So is the strong nuclear force. The Sun and Earth *were* assembled by gravity. Chemistry is primarily E&M, but things like buoyancy are primarily gravitational. Nuclear stability is primarily the strong force; E&M tends to break down nuclei, not stabilize them.

E&M on the scale of galaxies is present, but is dominated by gravity. In the universe as a whole, gravity is the main active force, although E&M appears in the form of radiation and can be relevant for active galaxies. The strong force is mostly seen in neutron stars (less so in white dwarfs).

You like to point to E&M. It is an important force since it is long range, but it tends to cancel out because opposite charges are close to being in balance. In contrast, there is only one 'sign' to the mass, so gravity tends to dominate on the large scale because it doesn't get canceled.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152723 Feb 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ok hey let's play along for fun. Ahem.
So Dave you say you were an atheist for 50 years yes? So as a long time non believer how did you find god?
<quoted text>
This forum and idiots like you for the most part. Never gave a thought to the subject until I got on PTAG a couple of years ago and watched the boils like you festering. And outright lies and misleading statements. Caused me to do some research and delve into the matter more, and spend a few minutes a day thinking about it. The forum was a catalyst for putting patterns and observations over a lifetime, coupled with my analytic and technical mind and skills. All kicked into gear because of blurting boils beating up on believers revealing weaknesses in their arguments. I remember we had this alleged Bible scholar from TX that was an especially egregious and obnoxious Christian basher. He was in your league. We went back and forth for months. One of his big things was the time after the crucifixion being evidence it was a conspiracy. Boy, did he ever hate Paul. Then I dropped the bomb on him. He had been using 1 AD as the crucifixion date. Made a big difference in the numbers he had been using as evidence. He disappeared after that.

I have a completely different read of religious works than you can have. Your mind is too weak to see allegory and metaphor, hence your need for literal in the hand "evidence". But you aren't alone.

I did some experiments 30 years ago that led to my alluding to the telluric currents on here. An energy flow that was tapped into and turned into a god. It grew from those local machines, which is what Baal was, to a monotheistic all encompassing the universe figure, representing the source of that energy. Such is still done with the BBT. I have an electrical background, but I have learned to see the components in a different perspective. Simply put it is the bipolarness of our existence setting things into motion. That, too, is evident in the BBT, even in gravity. Something caused the separation to cause the charge.

I did experiments. Didn't know exactly what I was doing, just following some basic physics principles. I can go out into a field with some rudimentary equipment, and pull forces out of the earth and atmosphere that will make you shit your pants. I can wrap them into self-sustaining circuits. You would feel them. It's pretty complicated as to what actually goes on, but you can assemble things you would rather not, which is why I abandoned further experiments since that time. It's is tapping into energy flows, but with those flows come flows within the larger flow. We are also formed the same way.

The ancients did the same thing, with more knowledge of the desired effects than I have, but they lacked a knowledge we now have in our sights, and their systems eventually decayed. Blood sacrifice started as a means to initiate the process, and to strengthen it. Blood is energy.

You have to get unstuck from the symbology of what you read and learn, and understand the processes that lead to such things.

We ultimately are devices used to manifest the expressions of something larger. Bulbs on a stadium billboard.

Did I answer your question?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152724 Feb 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That theory points in a more accurate direction. But it leads to a Supreme Being. It will be fought tooth and nail, but it can not be denied.
Your body, your chainsaw, and this universe were not assembled by gravity. Your use of that chainsaw and that computer proves laws channeling that bipolar energy exist. Look at lots of those deep space photos and look at neurons.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur if you think we as individual humans came up with that manipulation of forces first.
More unsupported assertions and opinionated spin mixed with a few reality based observations intended to give the appearance of legitimacy...

Thanks, Dave.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#152725 Feb 9, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us, Eagle.
How can a person be a murder?
Huh?
He was hangin with Counting Crows?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152726 Feb 9, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There are four fundamental forces. E&M is *one* of them. So is gravity. So is the strong nuclear force. The Sun and Earth *were* assembled by gravity. Chemistry is primarily E&M, but things like buoyancy are primarily gravitational. Nuclear stability is primarily the strong force; E&M tends to break down nuclei, not stabilize them.
E&M on the scale of galaxies is present, but is dominated by gravity. In the universe as a whole, gravity is the main active force, although E&M appears in the form of radiation and can be relevant for active galaxies. The strong force is mostly seen in neutron stars (less so in white dwarfs).
You like to point to E&M. It is an important force since it is long range, but it tends to cancel out because opposite charges are close to being in balance. In contrast, there is only one 'sign' to the mass, so gravity tends to dominate on the large scale because it doesn't get canceled.
Particles of duct traveling at thousands of miles per hour and colliding will not collect due to gravity. They WILL collect fairly quickly if caught in a magnetic field. Then gravity can do its thing.

Gravity and EM are the only two forces that can set things into motion. The nuclear forces are effects of those forces. Corralled energies. Whirlpools.

Buoyancy can never be effected without EM. It is the skin that pressure works on and provides the volumetric differentials for buoyancy to happen. Unless you can find me a beaker full of stratified protons and neutrons somewhere.

A few ounce magnet can overcome several pounds of gravity easily.

A positively charged plasma will be attracted, even over vast distances, to a negatively charged one because they occupy the same universe and follow the same laws of conservation. Plasma is 99% of the matter in this observable universe. That attractive force is what, 10^39 more than gravity? That is what the electric universe is based upon. You don't need dark matter.

The magnetic field of the earth affects particles passing within its range, pretty much equally. Gravity is dependent on the total mass.

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