Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Imhotep]

Adam wrote:

Interesting, but depressing video, "The End of Europe".. our economy is up shit creek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The economy

Reality 101

Many have a poor understanding of a depression.
and more important - recovery.

Once upon a time...
1929 - Black Friday - Stock Market crashed, banks closed, savings lost.
1930 - 1932 - Great Depression begins, prohibition at its peak
1932 - 1940 - FDR elected creates SS and many govt aid programs to put nation to work.
Dust bowl in Midwest, farms abandoned, people move to find work. Prohibition repealed.
1941 - 1945 - WWII USA emerges as most powerful nation on planet - war economy booms.
1946 - beginning of the 'good times'... ;-)

Do the arithmetic...

16 years to correct and it took a world war.

Regardless of whom occupies the White House
It will take a generation to correct if even then.

Left with a surplus. Bush & Co. Started two illegal wars, and in 8 painful years destroyed the USA economy, the integrity of the office of president and the respect of the nation.

The massive Democrat victory was inevitable.

McCains choice of Palin doomed GOP credibility
Rommey infamous 47% crack alienated 150 million Americans.

This GOP medieval retrograde thinking has no place in our future.

Suggestions

a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots.

b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.

c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.

[Imhotep]

Adam wrote:

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"Great Harlot"? This sounds that fundie anti-catholic language?
I realise this is perhaps an unpopular view, but I think that it can be a difficult question to answer when faced with incidents which happened decades ago or by dead priests. Not taking sides. But when read here that "priests are pedos" think there can be an element of hysteria.

Decades old? Whew!
Try worldwide DAILY!

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/...

[Givemeliberty]

Like when your god had millions of Jews killed so the state of Israel could be reformed?

Gramps, your long winded Abe Simpson style ramblings and senile opinions just can't change the facts.

Just accept it.

Oh and Jesus, if he ever existed, was 96% chimpanzee.

Now I believe it is time for your prune juice.
Cheers.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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We have had our differences, and believe it or not, I have spent considerable time trying to see any socially redeeming value in you. But this morning it came to me. You may very well have a substantial impact on the lives of people.
You inspire one to think, to really reach deep into understanding life, and developing one's consciousness of it. You cause one to appreciate the struggles each and every organism encounters to stay alive, and the true chance and randomness of this creation. And of the choices, if available, of each organism to reconcile itself to its fate. How it deals with the luck of the draw, so to speak. What options it has to resolve to enhance its comfort level.
Being a technical type thinker, you have inspired me to advance an idea that may make life easier for mankind. I mean, who else but you can instill a sympathy for genital warts that have to share space with you?
So here is the idea. Through the wonders of science, man produces little nano pistols. Pictures of you and transcripts of your postings are packaged with these nano pistols, and shipped to doctors and those places that treat social diseases. The medical specialists then show such to infected people, and inform them you will be their next date. Then the little nano pistols are offered to their warts.
See, you may serve a useful purpose afterall. God works in mysterious ways.

[Dave Nelson]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Like when your god had millions of Jews killed so the state of Israel could be reformed?
Gramps, your long winded Abe Simpson style ramblings and senile opinions just can't change the facts.
Just accept it.
Oh and Jesus, if he ever existed, was 96% chimpanzee.
Now I believe it is time for your prune juice.
Cheers.
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The Abrahamic god is not my God. Millions are small change.

Hey, stud, why do you let the termination of randomly activated stellar shit bother you so much? You think people are holy?

[Givemeliberty]

Your god is Jesus, don't even try that lame attempt at proclaiming to be a deist because nobody is buying it.

So millions of dead Jews in the name of reforming the state of Israel is small change? Truly your religion has made you an immoral animal.

Go pray to your dark Palestinian god.

Us secular humanists have by far superior morals thankfully.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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The Abrahamic god is not my God. Millions are small change.
Hey, stud, why do you let the termination of randomly activated stellar shit bother you so much? You think people are holy?

[Aerobatty]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>We have had our differences, and believe it or not, I have spent considerable time trying to see any socially redeeming value in you. But this morning it came to me. You may very well have a substantial impact on the lives of people.

You inspire one to think, to really reach deep into understanding life, and developing one's consciousness of it. You cause one to appreciate the struggles each and every organism encounters to stay alive, and the true chance and randomness of this creation. And of the choices, if available, of each organism to reconcile itself to its fate. How it deals with the luck of the draw, so to speak. What options it has to resolve to enhance its comfort level.

Being a technical type thinker, you have inspired me to advance an idea that may make life easier for mankind. I mean, who else but you can instill a sympathy for genital warts that have to share space with you?

So here is the idea. Through the wonders of science, man produces little nano pistols. Pictures of you and transcripts of your postings are packaged with these nano pistols, and shipped to doctors and those places that treat social diseases. The medical specialists then show such to infected people, and inform them you will be their next date. Then the little nano pistols are offered to their warts.

See, you may serve a useful purpose afterall. God works in mysterious ways.

Your dementia is showing.

[Dave Nelson]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Your god is Jesus, don't even try that lame attempt at proclaiming to be a deist because nobody is buying it.
So millions of dead Jews in the name of reforming the state of Israel is small change? Truly your religion has made you an immoral animal.
Go pray to your dark Palestinian god.
Us secular humanists have by far superior morals thankfully.
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Dark Palestinian god?

Let me tell you how stupid and out of control and pigheaded you are, in addition to your constant displaying of such.

I'm the guy on PTAG that said Abraham was a pimp that made his millions in lawsuits against two governments. Getting his old lady jobs in government whorehouses and then suing because she really wasn't his sister. They should have known better.

I'm the one that said there is a blood machine under Jerusalem that will take an underground nuke to break.

I've got some issues about old Jehovah, and certainly have no special love for his chosen.

I don't see Jesus as divine, but I do see the possibility of divinely inspired.

Yet you are convinced I am a fundie, and blather and blurt on and on and on. It is quite evident you have emotional issues blocking any rational thought.

Now, why don't you be honest and tell the truth about your hatred for Hitler? Those were 6 million potential hits on your porn pimp sites you feel you were deprived of. But little do you realize you wouldn't even have the site if they all didn't die.

But I will help you out. Post the links to your mother's videos, and of your wife and sisters, and I will send some coins your way.

[Hedonist]

Imhotep wrote:

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...c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.

You forget the Conservative version of the Bible --

"You were hungry and thirsty, so I eliminated funding for Meals on Wheels and food banks. You were a stranger, so I vilified you and demanded that you be deported. You were naked, so I called you an evil Liberal who hates Conservative family values. You were sick, so I repealed your only hope for health care. You were in prison, so I tortured you."

[Givemeliberty]

John McCain is that you?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Dark Palestinian god?
Let me tell you how stupid and out of control and pigheaded you are, in addition to your constant displaying of such.
I'm the guy on PTAG that said Abraham was a pimp that made his millions in lawsuits against two governments. Getting his old lady jobs in government whorehouses and then suing because she really wasn't his sister. They should have known better.
I'm the one that said there is a blood machine under Jerusalem that will take an underground nuke to break.
I've got some issues about old Jehovah, and certainly have no special love for his chosen.
I don't see Jesus as divine, but I do see the possibility of divinely inspired.
Yet you are convinced I am a fundie, and blather and blurt on and on and on. It is quite evident you have emotional issues blocking any rational thought.
Now, why don't you be honest and tell the truth about your hatred for Hitler? Those were 6 million potential hits on your porn pimp sites you feel you were deprived of. But little do you realize you wouldn't even have the site if they all didn't die.
But I will help you out. Post the links to your mother's videos, and of your wife and sisters, and I will send some coins your way.

[Dave Nelson]

Givemeliberty wrote:

John McCain is that you?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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I'm no fan of John McCain, either.

Interesting, how you tie politics and religion together.

Gonna post those links? You ought to make a few bucks off their talent, too, don'tcha think?

[Givemeliberty]

Sorry you senile around so much it's easy to confuse you and John McCain. Nothing to do with politics just your dementia.

What links do you want to see Senile Dave?

Dave Nelson wrote:

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I'm no fan of John McCain, either.
Interesting, how you tie politics and religion together.
Gonna post those links? You ought to make a few bucks off their talent, too, don'tcha think?

[mtimber]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> Thats because you're not a scientist who plays by the rules of it's methodology.
You however are a person who has belief, that is in conflict with the reasoning power of scientific discovery, therefore ...It is you who deny the truth of all known reasoning by the methods we devised to ascertain the truth.

Account for reason, in your worldview...

[mtimber]

Thinking wrote:

Whatever my opinion on abortion, 40% of fertilised eggs don't make it.
Your god is the biggest abortionist of all.
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And why would that be wrong,(leaving aside the falsity of the claim), in your worldview?

[mtimber]

Aerobatty wrote:

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What IS absolute morality?

Love.

1. Love God - your Creator.
2. Love your neighbour - His Creation.

[mtimber]

christianity is EVIL wrote:

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IRRELEVANT
first you need to prove god,then talk
do you suffer from alzheimers that you keep repeating the same BS over and over?

You need to understand that you assume certain things to be true in your own worldview.

You do not seem to understand that, and therefore you do not understand the basic idea of arguing a philosophy from those pre-suppositions.

[mtimber]

christianity is EVIL wrote:

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atheism is NOT belief its a LACK of belief in gods
humans ARE animals yes,and we make our own purpose.
living forever and doing the same thing over and over would indeed be a totaly useless existence kinda like a mindless robot ..LOL

Atheism:

"The fool says in his heart, there is no God."

[mtimber]

Just Think wrote:

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Thanks, sunshine, but I don't need an imaginary being to create my destiny, find my purpose, or define my self worth.
How sad for you that you do....

You keep claiming you have purpose and destiny as an atheist.

How do you account for those concepts when you are just a chemical fizz?

[mtimber]

Mikko wrote:

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there is no absolute law of morality

So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?

[mtimber]

Just Think wrote:

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There is no empirical evidence for any god's existence.
None.
All there is, is a philosophical suppression of the truth, that requires fairy tales to be accepted.
And a faith in that fairy tale.
You have self deceived faith that a "goddidit", nothing else.
And the only reason you have that, is because your fearful nature seeks to deny that you are the master of your own life. It seems to be a responsibility that you are too afraid to bear.

There is plenty of empirical evidence, recorded in history.

Also the evidence is within you and around you, in all the laws that govern mind and matter.

The problem is not evidence, the problem is tha you do not want to be led down the path the evidence provides.

So you suppress the truth, so that you can continue in sin.

[Hedonist]

mtimber wrote:

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Love.
1. Love God - your Creator.
2. Love your neighbour - His Creation.

So all Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, etc. are immoral in your mind.