Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#152469 Feb 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I feel your pain. Big hit on the gas bill.
I have a hot tub too. My problem is that the walls have 2" x 2" tiles attached, and the little tiles are starting to come unglued from the walls....
Dave can commiserate. It appears he's coming unglued as well.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152470 Feb 8, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
The Truth About Jesus Is He a Myth?
by Mangasar Magurditch Mangasarian
_By education most have been misled,
So they believe because they were so bred;
The priest continues what the nurse began,
And thus the child imposes on the man_.
DRYDEN.
PART I.
A PARABLE
I am today twenty-five hundred years old. I have been dead heard him? Have you touched him?"
"No," I said, in a low voice.
"Do you know of any one who has?"
I had to admit that I did not.
"
The ramblings of a incoherent mind by which interpreted means, blah, blah, blah, blah,ÖÖÖÖ

I found the garbled words to be meaningless and uninteresting. Stick to gun rats, youíre better at that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152471 Feb 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Ad hominem is a sure sign that you have nothing on point and you're reduced to trying to get an emotional response.
Can humanism exist without humans?

When did humanism first appear?

Now, what is humanism, again?
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#152472 Feb 8, 2013
Treating others in the way you want to be treated is at humanism's core. No magic woo required.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What is humanism?
What is humanist, and what is not?
What did it arise from? How did it come into being?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152473 Feb 8, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Dave can commiserate. It appears he's coming unglued as well.
:-)

Perhaps you would be a nice girl and lick me and stick me together again?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152474 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The very underpinnings of evolution is struggle and death. With the attendant varieties of application. Starvation, disease, and killing are vital and inescapable mechanisms of the process. Human cultures killing other human cultures is even part of that process. The culture is the basis of organization and survival of that group. Resistance to change is built into the evolutionary method as a way to maintain what was gained.
So man has been killing and mistreating man for a very long time. Evolutionary pressure caused such to happen.
But what do our brilliant Topix atheist purveyors of morality do?
They get on here and shriek "Goddidit".
Amazing, the intellectual heights they have achieved. I am sure they went to school for a very long time to get so smart.
I see you're serving up red herring today. Is that what the straw man is having, too?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152475 Feb 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Treating others in the way you want to be treated is at humanism's core. No magic woo required.
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Sure would be if you were fighting over the only meal available.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152476 Feb 8, 2013
"Of course, of your gods, too," he added, "it is claimed that they performed miracles, and of your oracles that they foretold the future, but there is this difference--the things related of your gods are a
fiction, the things told of Jesus are a fact, and the difference between Paganism and Christianity is the difference between fiction and fact."

Just then I heard a wave of murmur, like the rustling of leaves in a forest, sweep over the bowed audience. I turned about and unconsciously, my Greek curiosity impelling me, I pushed forward toward where the greater candle lights were blazing. I felt that perhaps the commotion in the house was the announcement that the God
Jesus was about to make his appearance, and I wanted to see him. I wanted to touch him, or, if the crowd were too large to allow me that privilege, I wanted, at least, to hear his voice. I, who had never seen a god, never touched one, never heard one speak, I who had
believed in Apollo without ever having known anything provable about him, I wanted to see the real God, Jesus.

But my guide placed his hand quickly upon my shoulder, and held me back.

"I want to see Jesus," I hastened, turning toward him. I said this reverently and in good faith. "Will he not be here this morning? Will he not speak to his worshippers?" I asked again. "Will he not permit them to touch him, to caress his hand, to clasp his divine feet, to inhale the ambrosial fragrance of his breath, to bask in the golden light of his eyes, to hear the music of his immaculate accents? Let me, too, see Jesus," I pleaded.

"You cannot see him," answered my guide, with a trace of embarrassment in his voice. "He does not show himself any more."

I was too much surprised at this to make any immediate reply.

"For the last two thousand years," my guide continued, "it has not pleased Jesus to show himself to any one; neither has he been heard from for the same number of years."

"For two thousand years no one has either seen or heard Jesus?" I asked, my eyes filled with wonder and my voice quivering with excitement.

"No," he answered.

"Would not that, then," I ventured to ask, impatiently, "make Jesus as much of an idol as Apollo? And are not these people on their knees before a god of whose existence they are as much in the dark as were
the Greeks of fair Apollo, and of whose past they have only rumors such as Homer reports of our Olympian gods--as idolatrous as the Athenians? What would you say," I asked my guide, "if I were to demand that you should produce Jesus and prove him to my eyes and ears as you have asked me to produce and prove Apollo? What is the difference between a ceremony performed in honor of Apollo and one performed in honor of Jesus, since it is as impossible to give oracular demonstration of the existence of the one as of the other? If Jesus is
alive and a god, and Apollo is an idol and dead, what is the evidence, since the one is as invisible, as inaccessible, and as unproducible as the other? And, if faith that Jesus is a god proves him a god, why will not faith in Apollo make him a god? But if worshipping Jesus, whom for the best part of the last two thousand years no man has seen, heard or touched; if building temples to him, burning incense upon his altars, bowing at his shrine and calling him "God," is not idolatry,
neither is it idolatry to kindle fire upon the luminous altars of the Greek Apollo,--God of the dawn, master of the enchanted lyre--he with the bow and arrow tipped with fire! I am not denying," I said, "that Jesus ever lived. He may have been alive two thousand years ago, but if he has not been heard from since, if the same thing that happened to the people living at the time he lived has happened to him, namely--if he is dead, then you are worshipping the dead, which fact stamps your religion as idolatrous."

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152477 Feb 8, 2013
And, then, remembering what he had said to me about the Greek mythology being beautiful but not true, I said to him: "Your temples are indeed gorgeous and costly; your music is grand; your altars are superb; your litany is exquisite; your chants are melting; your incense, and bells and flowers, your gold and silver vessels are all
in rare taste, and I dare say your dogmas are subtle and your preachers eloquent, but your religion has one fault--_it is not true_."

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152478 Feb 8, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I see you're serving up red herring today. Is that what the straw man is having, too?
You are trying to deflect from the truth of my observation.

Your "humanism" is an invitation to predators and parasites without very strict and definitive controls. Until you have one culture, which will only be accomplished by force in this world, then you will have conflict.

Make sure your enemies are disarmed before letting them in for dinner.

Fuzzy thinking liberal Topix atheists. Dreamers without portfolio.

Show me some examples where peace and love and total trust occurred in the merging of large cultures without some violence happening.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152479 Feb 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Like when your god had millions of Jews killed so the state of Israel could be reformed?
Gramps, your long winded Abe Simpson style ramblings and senile opinions just can't change the facts.
Just accept it.
Oh and Jesus, if he ever existed, was 96% chimpanzee.
Now I believe it is time for your prune juice.
Cheers.
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In the mix of your atheist ideology there lays a sadist disorder. A ďSadist,Ē is one who enjoys inflecting pain. It most likely spawned from your childhood. This kind of disorder is seen in people for example who like to torture animals.

If you tortured animals in your childhood is not known at this point. What is known is your cruelty and coldness in your post. I would describe it as abnormal and uncharacteristic of normal human behavior.

You have tried to paint over this sadism by claiming you are a humanitarian. Making routine trips to the Philippines to save the little starving children from the evils of Christianity.

The cause of sadism is not fully known but it is believed to have been a result of something that happened in your childhood. A good physiologist could perhaps uncover what it is that has made this sadism evolve in your persona.

Issues, real deep issues hidden within your soul. Has driven you to hate and enjoy inflecting harm on others. You have lived your whole life with this dark secret. Perhaps itís time for you to consider to get healing for your mind.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#152480 Feb 8, 2013
Which is why we collaborated to engineer circumstances where that is less likely to happen. No magic woo required.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Sure would be if you were fighting over the only meal available.

Since: Dec 12

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#152481 Feb 8, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.
Remember the Crusades?

Since: Dec 12

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#152482 Feb 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh and Jesus, if he ever existed, was 96% chimpanzee.
Funny, but true.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152483 Feb 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Which is why we collaborated to engineer circumstances where that is less likely to happen. No magic woo required.
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Hasn't seemed to work very well.

Since: Jun 07

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#152484 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are trying to deflect from the truth of my observation.
Your "humanism" is an invitation to predators and parasites without very strict and definitive controls. Until you have one culture, which will only be accomplished by force in this world, then you will have conflict.
Make sure your enemies are disarmed before letting them in for dinner.
Fuzzy thinking liberal Topix atheists. Dreamers without portfolio.
Show me some examples where peace and love and total trust occurred in the merging of large cultures without some violence happening.
There's no truth in what you say - you're a liar lying about a god you have no proof of.

The reality is that you suffer from a mental illness where you blame atheists for your stupidity.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152485 Feb 8, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Remember the Crusades?
I donít remember the crusades. Iím not saying it didnít happen itís just I donít have any interest in that time and place in history.

Europeís history is so dark and dismal. Itís the last place in the world I would want to go visit.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152486 Feb 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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There's no truth in what you say - you're a liar lying about a god you have no proof of.
The reality is that you suffer from a mental illness where you blame atheists for your stupidity.
You are blurting.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#152487 Feb 8, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I donít remember the crusades. Iím not saying it didnít happen itís just I donít have any interest in that time and place in history.
Europeís history is so dark and dismal. Itís the last place in the world I would want to go visit.
Yes you avoid the places that prove how bad your cult really is. That makes sense given that you suffer from the mental illness of faith.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152488 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are trying to deflect from the truth of my observation.
Your "humanism" is an invitation to predators and parasites without very strict and definitive controls. Until you have one culture, which will only be accomplished by force in this world, then you will have conflict.
Make sure your enemies are disarmed before letting them in for dinner.
Fuzzy thinking liberal Topix atheists. Dreamers without portfolio.
Show me some examples where peace and love and total trust occurred in the merging of large cultures without some violence happening.
Unsupported assertions.

More red herrings and straw man arguments. I get it, you're here to grumble and groan about the "old days" and pontificate.

You can do that, it's fine. Don't be surprised if the responses to your assertions continue to remain much like this one.

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