Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Givemeliberty]

There are no contemporary witnesses to your Jewsus. We have no historical proof he even existed.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Then prove they are legends, and that the witnesses were liars.
It should be simple, if true.
Not so with Islam, sorry. Muhammad had no witnesses at all, and was illiterate. No apostles at all, and therefore, no peer-reviewed evidence. The Bible is a written account of the events themselves, and correlates with events from outside sources.
Not even the Jews deny Jesus, who above all had the motive and the opportunity to do so, since they regarded him as a sorcerer. Had Christians been lying, they would have been the FIRST to note that in the historical records, or not noted it at all, which would have been enough to suggest it never happened.
Every bit of ancient evidence shows us that something very unusually happened on the fringe of the Roman Empire, where the Empire fought against one uprising after another, leading after the Third Jewish War to its demise and withdrawal from the Indian Ocean for which it briefly reached.
No, neither Muhammad, nor Joseph Smith, have witnesses, or good arguments. But that has never been the problem of Christianity, which merged from nowhere, a full-blown church with it's rituals intact, as if everything they knew was taught by someone directly. We have heaps upon heaps of evidence.
But let me guess, the Bible does count for you, or the records of the Church, right? Too biased?
Sorry, that won't fly either. You don't get to pick and choose which evidence is valid. If you suspect bias, then show where it lies. The burden is on you, not any Christian.

[Givemeliberty]

So Hitler was doing God's will after all? Because it lead to the reformation of Israel? Yes that has been such a blessing for the world.

What a savage beast you worship.

Eagle12 wrote:

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No conflict inside me my good Doctor. All humans will pass through deaths door. We were guaranteed that experience when we were born.
I know that through this very horrific war, a new nation was born. Many Jews were saved and many were lost. Yes, God allowed it to happen and God also allowed Germany to be defeated. The cruelty was done by mankind to mankind and the cruelty continues even to this day.
World History is very ugly my good Doctor. This ugliness started when Cain killed his brother Able. Men have the ability to have children or make life. And they have the ability to take life.
I’m not Catholic and I will never bow down to a graven image. I don’t agree with what they do but at the same time I want them to have the freedom to worship as they desire.

[Eagle12]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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It doesn't matter when it started - a cult fraud with no proof of god will always be a cult fraud with no proof of god.
Thankfully today scientist are able to stand up and make you idiots sh*t up about your claim that the earth is 6000 years old.
Before then humanity was too stupid to use it's brain save for a few clever people.

Stalinism

[Givemeliberty]

Yes we have knowledge and reasoning that those ancient sheep kissers could have only dreamt of. You are living in a fantasy world not reality.

If Jesus had existed Joseph would have likely been thighing him, Jesus would have wiped his @ss with his bare hand and they didn't exactly have anti microbial soaps back then. The world at that time was dark and disease filled. You were lucky to reach adulthood.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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We are smarter than ancient peoples?
Then you must not have read much about them.
We most certainly are not. We might have ore knowledge about science and technology, but that does not make us smarter, that just raises our standard of living.
More educated? How so? Or are you mistaking knowledge with intelligence again? Humans work with what they have, and no matter how little they have, their intelligence does not change.
More free time? Maybe, but that does not make people more intelligent. That just gives them time to acquire more knowledge.
No, Jesus's time was amazingly complex,
Gosh, ignorance like yours makes me angry.

[Givemeliberty]

Yes especially with the vivid girls! Divine ;)

River Tam wrote:

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Stick with the lesbian porn. That's what I do.

[Givemeliberty]

Porn is not intended for children be it sexual or Jesus on a cross.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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What if the kids saw it.
Well, that is a good question.
For those of you that think porn is OK, is it OK for kids to see it?
Or would you feel some kind of embarrassment, or even shame, if your kids, or any kid, saw your stash of porn, or saw you IN a porn ...
So which is more embarrassing? Husband and wife having sex while the kids walk in? Or a kid turing seeing you watch a women being brutalized by a gang in a mock rape scene?
I rest my case.

[Eagle12]

Givemeliberty wrote:

So Hitler was doing God's will after all? Because it lead to the reformation of Israel? Yes that has been such a blessing for the world.
What a savage beast you worship.
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That’s your rendition of the historical event. It’s always interesting to hear the demented twisted version coming from our resident hate filled Atheist. I wouldn’t say Hitler did the will of God but the United Nations certainly did.

Thank you for your demonic interpretation of history.

[Givemeliberty]

Again the majority were deluded and mistaken. Certainly there were some liars, frauds, rapists, murderers, thieves, hookers, child molesters and others mixed in with the deluded sheep.

You're welcome

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Here is my post again: "So, is it true then that you would assert that everyone that supported Christianity in its earliest days are liars and frauds?"
So you narrow your accusation then to a smaller number of individuals. You accuse then, the Church Fathers, Apostles, martyrs, and many others leaders of that time period of lying and fraud then?
Is that correct?

[Thinking]

Hitler was the catholic leader of a mainly protestant Germany.
See what can be achieved when christians get their sects together.

Eagle12 wrote:

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That’s your rendition of the historical event. It’s always interesting to hear the demented twisted version coming from our resident hate filled Atheist. I wouldn’t say Hitler did the will of God but the United Nations certainly did.
Thank you for your demonic interpretation of history.

[Givemeliberty]

That's not what I said spazz but some no doubt were. Others were businessmen or those who just documented what traveling street loonies were shouting at people.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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So then you assert that these individuals were liars and frauds then?

[Catcher1]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Not for moi. I stay out of cold water.
Would make a neat goldfish pond.

I thought, in Colorado in winter, maybe a skating rink for birds.

[Catcher1]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Why does Nations and people turn away God and then expect him to rescue them after they have been broken by sin.

Do, not does.

And you forgot the question mark.

And the question is a silly one.

Dude!

[Eagle12]

Aura Mytha wrote:

<quoted text> Nice fantasy, but not the forces that actually drive the wold.
But they are the ideals a few have in mind.
Thanks I give that some do, think ...and think there is something to keep them straight.
Reality bites harder though, and Eagle my friend there is only one thing that you can truly trust.
Brotherhood, and the cold steel we carry in strength of arms.
That you can believe in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I enjoyed that and listened to the entire song.

“Something to believe in.”

Great men can and do fall into temptations.

Less than great men also fall into temptations.

Who among us is above reproach? For we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

People do want something to believe in that’s above reproach. Men are fallible but God is not.

[Eagle12]

A certain particular someone has been body bagged. I don’t use the term,“white sheet.”

You have been bagged and tagged.

I will continue to skip over your comments.

You are just too damn weird for me. Any man who pretends to be a women and multiple characters is just too much for me.

I also think responding to you constantly is boring because you bring no interesting thoughts or challenging arguments.

You are a weak player Muchacho. In the freezer you go head first and there you will stay.

[Dave Nelson]

Catcher1 wrote:

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I thought, in Colorado in winter, maybe a skating rink for birds.

Has been fairly warm this year. I am sure if I cut the heat off out there in the building the pipes will burst, but it won't be cold enough for a birdie skating rink.

[Dave Nelson]

Anticipating rewards for "good" behavior is a human creation.

It is something theists and atheists both subscribe to, and make the same mistakes.

[It aint necessarily so]

scaritual wrote:

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70+ years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
On a homemade cigar box 4 string "geetar", too boot.
Another song, just for range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Nice. Thanks. Love the slide.

[blacklagoon]

Eagle12 wrote:

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No conflict inside me my good Doctor. All humans will pass through deaths door. We were guaranteed that experience when we were born.
I know that through this very horrific war, a new nation was born. Many Jews were saved and many were lost. Yes, God allowed it to happen and God also allowed Germany to be defeated. The cruelty was done by mankind to mankind and the cruelty continues even to this day.
World History is very ugly my good Doctor. This ugliness started when Cain killed his brother Able. Men have the ability to have children or make life. And they have the ability to take life.
I’m not Catholic and I will never bow down to a graven image. I don’t agree with what they do but at the same time I want them to have the freedom to worship as they desire.

Yes, this is exactly the noncommittal response I was expecting. The dodge, the weave, the turning a blind eye to the meat of the matter. I do realize that you have no answers for the actions or non-actions of your God, but I never asked for an answer as to his cruelty. I asked....Is it reasonable to expect prayers of the millions of jews to be answered, at least some of them? Given the fact that you staunchly defend the answering of prayers. Millions of prayers went unanswered. Does it seem reasonable to you that God will answer any number of prayers, or so people say, but completely ignore the millions of jews who suffered and died?

[Givemeliberty]

No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.

You indeed worship a dark savage animal.

Eagle12 wrote:

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That’s your rendition of the historical event. It’s always interesting to hear the demented twisted version coming from our resident hate filled Atheist. I wouldn’t say Hitler did the will of God but the United Nations certainly did.
Thank you for your demonic interpretation of history.

[Givemeliberty]

Actually he celebrates their deaths and suffering as it helped reform the state of Israel.

But remember Daffy is the that said the serpent in the garden of Eden was actually a homo erectus slithering around a tree. And that an Arab went into his Dad's hospital room and that made him believe in Allah for some reason.

Crazy ole Daffy, always good for a laugh.

blacklagoon wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, this is exactly the noncommittal response I was expecting. The dodge, the weave, the turning a blind eye to the meat of the matter. I do realize that you have no answers for the actions or non-actions of your God, but I never asked for an answer as to his cruelty. I asked....Is it reasonable to expect prayers of the millions of jews to be answered, at least some of them? Given the fact that you staunchly defend the answering of prayers. Millions of prayers went unanswered. Does it seem reasonable to you that God will answer any number of prayers, or so people say, but completely ignore the millions of jews who suffered and died?