Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Turkey

Oswego, NY

#152445 Feb 8, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
You have defined yourself as vulgar, insulting, with a limited capacity to engage in intelligent discourse .
You offer no cohesion of thought.
No opposing documented view.
What's next? "Nanny nanny boo boo"?
;)
Yawn
There is no decent discourse with an atheist. It will always end up with insults. Atheists are dishonest faithless and dogmatic to name a few. Pigeon chess masters. No believer should cast their pearls before all you atheist swine. You're only good for entertainment. All atheists have a grevious destiny. Topix Hatheists are a particularly absurd lot. Now get back to flailing and entertain me.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#152446 Feb 8, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, I can, and the links and definitions supplied - by multiple contributors - answers all of the questions you asked.
But, really, you're a deist/theist, and I don't think you'd be interested in the philosophy of either Humanism or Secular Humanism especially considering your position on many topics that you've made quite clear.
If you are, again, the links provided details quite well its origins, principles and concepts, enjoy.
Feelin' "crotchety" this day, Dave?
I confess to being disappointed in the quality of the opposition in these discussions, Scar, but I will get over it. I know better than to get upset over insignificant pieces of stellar shit playing at being intelleckshuals. Life is so much easier for them nowadays. They don't have to read and understand and then put in their own words. They just copy a link. Makes them look smart. To themselves. Which is all that counts.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#152447 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep claiming you have purpose and destiny as an atheist.
How do you account for those concepts when you are just a chemical fizz?
This person didn't claim they had NO purpose, only that they didn't rely on an imaginary being for that purpose. And they are right, how sad it is that you can only find your purpose in life through a mythical being.

And what kind of twisted concept is it that you equate our origin to having a purpose.

Here's a hypothetical question that I know you will refuse to answer........but for the sake of everyone reading this, it will show how brainwashed you are..........What if tomorrow, evidence was produced that proved BEYOND ANY DOUBT that your God does not exist. What then would your purpose be?......Now we'll all wait for the........."No one can prove that God doesn't exist".........or..... "It's a stupid question, there will always be God." Anything to avoid the question. But, lets just see how honest you are.....What would your purpose be without God?
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#152448 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?
Why is it that you know so very little? Moral standards are set by societies. A group of people decide what is acceptable behavior, it usually addresses harm to member of that society. Laws are made, moral standards are accepted. Thats it. No God necessary. That would be especially true if the core of those standards came from the infamous 10 commandments. The first four of which deal solely with your God obsession with vanity. The other commandments are part of the Golden Rule which needs no God thing. Its always disturbing to me that nowhere in the 10 commandments is there anything about RAPE, or about CRUELTY TO CHILDREN. I guess it's a good thing we have the Golden rule to cover those horrors God felt were NOT necessary.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152449 Feb 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't know your history do you. Stalin used the delusional "Sheep" that religion had spawn. What a prime opportunity for a dictator, and entire country of delusional religious sheep that would believe anything told them. This was a resource to be used not destroyed. He told these sheep that he alone could produce a miracle whereby their crops would grow double there size. Of course after being totally brainwashed with the idea that miracles were real, the populous bought this horseshoe. Look at many of the old videos of Stalin, he was moat usually surround by the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church. He slaughtered any who opposed his dictatorship, and anyone he suspected of opposing his views.Your right millions were either excited or sent to Siberia, a death sentence in its own. But show me your evidence or documentation that Stalin killed religious people because they weren't Atheists.
Most of those who died under the rule of Mao, died of starvation and disease as a result of rapid industrial growth. Once again I challenge you to produce evidence that Chairman Mao murdered for strictly religious reasons.
Who knows that history better than the Russian people themselves?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_C...

The history of Christianity in the Soviet Union was not limited to repression and secularization. Soviet policy toward religion was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, which made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religion.

The state was committed to the destruction of religion, and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic propaganda, and generally promoted 'scientific atheism' as the truth that society should accept.

Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population, in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#152450 Feb 8, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, I can, and the links and definitions supplied - by multiple contributors - answers all of the questions you asked.
But, really, you're a deist/theist, and I don't think you'd be interested in the philosophy of either Humanism or Secular Humanism especially considering your position on many topics that you've made quite clear.
If you are, again, the links provided details quite well its origins, principles and concepts, enjoy.
Feelin' "crotchety" this day, Dave?
The heater for Dave's hot tub is on the blink.

And neither god, nor the EM forces, nor Dave have been able to get a fix on it.

So we must give Dave a break.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152451 Feb 8, 2013
You sure have some weird fantasies. But I guess at your age and with that hag wife next to you in bed you need such to bring some life to your prune.

Go to your doctor and ask for some Viagra with your Alzheimer's medicine next time ok?

You're welcome gramps.

Btw My parents are both still devout baptists who think video games, many musicians and even a TV commercial with a chick in a swimsuit are doorways to hell. As a little kid she would lecture me about those violent video games, like super Mario brothers 3!

It's kind of embarrassing actually how belief in god has made them in that regard.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The one of your creation in particular. You know, your momma and those guys? One of those 15 should be your daddy.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152452 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't do it in your own words?
Why am I not surprised?
Oh I know what Humanism is. I'm a Humanist.

And I have iterated and reiterated the ideals and philosophies of Humanistic thought throughout these Atheism threads. More than once to you directly.

So obviously you don't really want to learn, you just want to play the troll game.

Look it up for yourself. Learn something for a change. Then try, oh please try, to actually come back with a question that shows you can learn something new and comprehend what Humanism is about, at least at a cursory level.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#152453 Feb 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The heater for Dave's hot tub is on the blink.
And neither god, nor the EM forces, nor Dave have been able to get a fix on it.
So we must give Dave a break.
Thank you for the understanding.

The biggest issue is draining the tub, then stooping down and disassembling the control unit, after which I may get lucky and have a portion left to resurrect it, which I actually have little desire to do, as that sucker inhales HUGE quantities of my income.

I am considering becoming an atheist again, of the Topix science based type, and invoke Polymath's virtual particles to effect repairs in situ, which my decrepit old body would greatly appreciate, and if such did occur, will then apply such scientific principles to the repair and rehabilitation of said decrepit old body.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152454 Feb 8, 2013
I see you are here with to post your daily Hovind quotes, ignore questions and run away in with your fingers in your ears.

Regardless if your like certain passages ok your bible or not doesn't change the fact that they are there showing how dark and immoral the bible myth god Yahweh/Jesus is.

Modern secular humanist morality is by far superior and only getting better.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, I do not accept his anti-theistic interprestion.
Second, on what basis, in his worldview, does he offer the moral outrage that he presents?
He cannot.
But rather appeals to the laws (corrupted as they are by sin in him), that he denies...

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#152455 Feb 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I know what Humanism is. I'm a Humanist.
And I have iterated and reiterated the ideals and philosophies of Humanistic thought throughout these Atheism threads. More than once to you directly.
So obviously you don't really want to learn, you just want to play the troll game.
Look it up for yourself. Learn something for a change. Then try, oh please try, to actually come back with a question that shows you can learn something new and comprehend what Humanism is about, at least at a cursory level.
Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought you were iterating and reiterating the effects of mental disease.

I understand better, now. Thanks for the heads up.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152456 Feb 8, 2013
The Truth About Jesus Is He a Myth?
by Mangasar Magurditch Mangasarian

_By education most have been misled,
So they believe because they were so bred;
The priest continues what the nurse began,
And thus the child imposes on the man_.
DRYDEN.

PART I.

A PARABLE

I am today twenty-five hundred years old. I have been dead for nearly as many years. My place of birth was Athens; my grave was not far from those of Xenophon and Plato, within view of the white glory of Athens and the shimmering waters of the Aegean sea.

After sleeping in my grave for many centuries I awoke suddenly--I cannot tell how nor why--and was transported by a force beyond my control to this new day and this new city. I arrived here at daybreak,
when the sky was still dull and drowsy. As I approached the city I heard bells ringing, and a little later I found the streets astir with throngs of well dressed people in family groups wending their way hither and thither. Evidently they were not going to work, for they
were accompanied by their children in their best clothes, and a pleasant expression was upon their faces.

"This must be a day of festival and worship, devoted to one of their gods," I murmured to myself.

Looking about me I saw a gentleman in a neat black dress, smiling, and his hand extended to me with great cordiality. He must have realized I was a stranger and wished to tender his hospitality to me. I accepted it gratefully. I clasped his hand. He pressed mine. We gazed for a moment silently into each other's eyes. He understood my bewilderment amid my novel surroundings, and offered to enlighten me. He explained to me the ringing of the bells and the meaning of the holiday crowds moving in the streets. It was Sunday--Sunday before Christmas, and the people were going to "the House of God."

"Of course you are going there, too," I said to my friendly guide.

"Yes," he answered, "I conduct the worship. I am a priest."

"A priest of Apollo?" I interrogated.

"No, no," he replied, raising his hand to command silence, "Apollo is not a god; he was only an idol."

"An idol?" I whispered, taken by surprise.

"I perceive you are a Greek," he said to me, "and the Greeks," he continued, "notwithstanding their distinguished accomplishments, were an idolatrous people. They worshipped gods that did not exist. They
built temples to divinities which were merely empty names--empty names," he repeated. "Apollo and Athene--and the entire Olympian lot
were no more than inventions of the fancy."

"But the Greeks loved their gods," I protested, my heart clamoring in
my breast.

"They were not gods, they were idols, and the difference between a god
and an idol is this: an idol is a thing; God is a living being. When
you cannot prove the existence of your god, when you have never seen
him, nor heard his voice, nor touched him--when you have nothing
provable about him, he is an idol. Have you seen Apollo? Have you
heard him? Have you touched him?"

"No," I said, in a low voice.

"Do you know of any one who has?"

I had to admit that I did not.

"He was an idol, then, and not a god."

"But many of us Greeks," I said, "have felt Apollo in our hearts and
have been inspired by him."

"You imagine you have," returned my guide. "If he were really divine
he would be living to this day."

"Is he, then, dead?" I asked.

"He never lived; and for the last two thousand years or more his temple has been a heap of ruins."

I wept to hear that Apollo, the god of light and music, was no more--that his fair temple had fallen into ruins and the fire upon his altar had been extinguished; then, wiping a tear from my eyes, I said, "Oh, but our gods were fair and beautiful; our religion was rich and
picturesque. It made the Greeks a nation of poets, orators, artists, warriors, thinkers. It made Athens a city of light; it created the beautiful, the true, the good--yes, our religion was divine."

"It had only one fault," interrupted my guide.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#152457 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Still avoiding the question, as to how you account for the absolute morality that you appeal to constantly and deny exist on the other hand I see.
You're the one avoiding, mtimber. My argument does not appeal to absolute morality in any way.

Your moral system fails by it's OWN standards.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152458 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?
No.

That's yours.

Without your fear of hell and god's punishment, you would have no reason to behave.

We atheists have more sense than that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152459 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>There is plenty of empirical evidence, recorded in history.

Also the evidence is within you and around you, in all the laws that govern mind and matter.

The problem is not evidence, the problem is tha you do not want to be led down the path the evidence provides.

So you suppress the truth, so that you can continue in sin.
What evidence?

What sin?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152460 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Still avoiding the question, as to how you account for the absolute morality that you appeal to constantly and deny exist on the other hand I see.

Avoiding the question, does not mean you have presented an argument.

It just shows you do not have the courage to put your own worldview out there for examination.

But rather hide behind attacking others...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humani...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152461 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>What is humanism?

What is humanist, and what is not?

What did it arise from? How did it come into being?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humani...

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#152462 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for the understanding.
The biggest issue is draining the tub, then stooping down and disassembling the control unit, after which I may get lucky and have a portion left to resurrect it, which I actually have little desire to do, as that sucker inhales HUGE quantities of my income.
I am considering becoming an atheist again, of the Topix science based type, and invoke Polymath's virtual particles to effect repairs in situ, which my decrepit old body would greatly appreciate, and if such did occur, will then apply such scientific principles to the repair and rehabilitation of said decrepit old body.
I feel your pain. Big hit on the gas bill.

I have a hot tub too. My problem is that the walls have 2" x 2" tiles attached, and the little tiles are starting to come unglued from the walls....

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#152463 Feb 8, 2013
The very underpinnings of evolution is struggle and death. With the attendant varieties of application. Starvation, disease, and killing are vital and inescapable mechanisms of the process. Human cultures killing other human cultures is even part of that process. The culture is the basis of organization and survival of that group. Resistance to change is built into the evolutionary method as a way to maintain what was gained.

So man has been killing and mistreating man for a very long time. Evolutionary pressure caused such to happen.

But what do our brilliant Topix atheist purveyors of morality do?

They get on here and shriek "Goddidit".

Amazing, the intellectual heights they have achieved. I am sure they went to school for a very long time to get so smart.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152464 Feb 8, 2013
Turkey wrote:
<quoted text>There is no decent discourse with an atheist. It will always end up with insults. Atheists are dishonest faithless and dogmatic to name a few. Pigeon chess masters. No believer should cast their pearls before all you atheist swine. You're only good for entertainment. All atheists have a grevious destiny. Topix Hatheists are a particularly absurd lot. Now get back to flailing and entertain me.
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