Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#152419 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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Wow. Shocked again.
Am i summarizing this correctly?
He said that rape and slavery is condoned in the bible.
Your response was " why would you care?".
You didn't deny it or account for it or even try to pull the out-of-context (because you know its immoral so you have to account for it) card.
You instead tried to show that he is either in fact fine with rape or that he actually does believe in god and that is why he isn't a rapist who is ok with slavery.
This is a problem for you if the bible condones slavery and rape...
Which brings us right back to his comment to you and renders your entire response meaningless unless you do at the very least try to make an excuse for the Bible
First of all, I do not accept his anti-theistic interprestion.

Second, on what basis, in his worldview, does he offer the moral outrage that he presents?

He cannot.

But rather appeals to the laws (corrupted as they are by sin in him), that he denies...

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#152420 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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I thought intellect came as a trick from a talking snake that made us all born sinners. That is a horrible gift.
Carnal reasoning is not intellect.

Reasoning apart from God, is not intellect.

It is foolishness.

Why would reasoning from a narrow perspective be better than reasoning along with the loving Creator of the universe.

You are equivocating here.

Not good.

I expect better from you.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152421 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Atheism:
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God."
"whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

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#152422 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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No. You don't have to know all the answers to point out failure.
If x+21=28 and x+42=49.... and the problem was to solve x+64=?
If your answer was either "64,864,953,854" or "purple giraffe"... i dont have to know the answer to see you went wrong here.
Or maybe see it from our perspective...
If you saw my phone bill... and it said i paid $39.99 for 450 min... and i told you my bill shows the truth and i have 1400 min.... this is self contradiction... you don't have to have verizon to know something is wrong here.
But then you have to account for logical mathematics...

You see, you cannot escape the atheistic predicament.

Atheism cannot account for any transcendent law, that is self evident in the universe.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152423 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Can you explain why Atheists make appeals to absolute moral standards?
That is the point I am making.
By the way, I am not a holder of the eternally burning sinner in hell position.
I do not believe it is warranted from the scripture (but thats another topic).
You are the only one trying to claim societal morals are "absolute". But you've yet to provide independently verifiable evidence for such a claim.

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#152424 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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There is mucho truth in what you say.
Topix atheists have the freedom to define reality the way they feel it should be, the world be damned. They will exercise their rights. Deal with it, world.
Astute observation.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152425 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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But then you have to account for logical mathematics...
You see, you cannot escape the atheistic predicament.
Atheism cannot account for any transcendent law, that is self evident in the universe.
You keep making stuff up.

"Transcendence" refers to the aspect of God's nature and power which is wholly independent of (and removed from) the material universe.

You have yet to prove that the concept of "independent / removed / outside the universe" is even meaningful possible. Do that and then you can work on what evidence you have of any intelligence behind it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152426 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Love.

1. Love God - your Creator.
2. Love your neighbour - His Creation.
Don't need god for that.

And love isn't absolute.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#152427 Feb 8, 2013
It's not a false claim.~40% of fertilised eggs don't make it.
mtimber wrote:
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And why would that be wrong,(leaving aside the falsity of the claim), in your worldview?

“There is no god!”

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#152428 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Atheism:
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God."
whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire

“There is no god!”

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#152429 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?
nope.

“Think&Care”

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#152430 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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First of all, I do not accept his anti-theistic interprestion.
Second, on what basis, in his worldview, does he offer the moral outrage that he presents?
Humanism. No deity required.

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#152431 Feb 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text> Humanism. No deity required.
What is humanism?

What is humanist, and what is not?

What did it arise from? How did it come into being?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152432 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What is humanism?
What is humanist, and what is not?
What did it arise from? How did it come into being?
" http://lmgtfy.com/... ;

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152433 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What is humanism?
What is humanist, and what is not?
What did it arise from? How did it come into being?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152434 Feb 8, 2013
geeez, Dave
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#152435 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What is humanism?
What is humanist, and what is not?
What did it arise from? How did it come into being?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/humanism
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

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#152437 Feb 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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" http://lmgtfy.com/... ;
You can't do it in your own words?

Why am I not surprised?
Turkey

Oswego, NY

#152438 Feb 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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No, Eagle.
You're the one who is despicable. Asqueroso, as they say where I come from.
You believe your god allowed for the Holocaust, so there could be an Israel.
Filthy stuff, dude.
The douche cant handle the truth, poor bendayho you

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