Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#152405 Feb 8, 2013
Sorry you senile around so much it's easy to confuse you and John McCain. Nothing to do with politics just your dementia.

What links do you want to see Senile Dave?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I'm no fan of John McCain, either.
Interesting, how you tie politics and religion together.
Gonna post those links? You ought to make a few bucks off their talent, too, don'tcha think?

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#152406 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Thats because you're not a scientist who plays by the rules of it's methodology.
You however are a person who has belief, that is in conflict with the reasoning power of scientific discovery, therefore ...It is you who deny the truth of all known reasoning by the methods we devised to ascertain the truth.
Account for reason, in your worldview...

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#152407 Feb 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Whatever my opinion on abortion, 40% of fertilised eggs don't make it.
Your god is the biggest abortionist of all.
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And why would that be wrong,(leaving aside the falsity of the claim), in your worldview?

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#152408 Feb 8, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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What IS absolute morality?
Love.

1. Love God - your Creator.
2. Love your neighbour - His Creation.

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#152409 Feb 8, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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IRRELEVANT
first you need to prove god,then talk
do you suffer from alzheimers that you keep repeating the same BS over and over?
You need to understand that you assume certain things to be true in your own worldview.

You do not seem to understand that, and therefore you do not understand the basic idea of arguing a philosophy from those pre-suppositions.

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#152410 Feb 8, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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atheism is NOT belief its a LACK of belief in gods
humans ARE animals yes,and we make our own purpose.
living forever and doing the same thing over and over would indeed be a totaly useless existence kinda like a mindless robot ..LOL
Atheism:

"The fool says in his heart, there is no God."

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#152411 Feb 8, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Thanks, sunshine, but I don't need an imaginary being to create my destiny, find my purpose, or define my self worth.
How sad for you that you do....
You keep claiming you have purpose and destiny as an atheist.

How do you account for those concepts when you are just a chemical fizz?

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#152412 Feb 8, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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there is no absolute law of morality
So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?

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#152413 Feb 8, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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There is no empirical evidence for any god's existence.
None.
All there is, is a philosophical suppression of the truth, that requires fairy tales to be accepted.
And a faith in that fairy tale.
You have self deceived faith that a "goddidit", nothing else.
And the only reason you have that, is because your fearful nature seeks to deny that you are the master of your own life. It seems to be a responsibility that you are too afraid to bear.
There is plenty of empirical evidence, recorded in history.

Also the evidence is within you and around you, in all the laws that govern mind and matter.

The problem is not evidence, the problem is tha you do not want to be led down the path the evidence provides.

So you suppress the truth, so that you can continue in sin.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152414 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Love.
1. Love God - your Creator.
2. Love your neighbour - His Creation.
So all Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, etc. are immoral in your mind.

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#152415 Feb 8, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Not on moral principals, no.
Your moral system contradicts itself. It fails right there by YOUR OWN standards.
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You don't even know what my morality is. You're very desperate to get off the topic of your moral system and its failings.
You don't play well when people actually call you out on all the holes in your beliefs. Doesn't fit your script.
Still avoiding the question, as to how you account for the absolute morality that you appeal to constantly and deny exist on the other hand I see.

Avoiding the question, does not mean you have presented an argument.

It just shows you do not have the courage to put your own worldview out there for examination.

But rather hide behind attacking others...

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#152416 Feb 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Sorry you senile around so much it's easy to confuse you and John McCain. Nothing to do with politics just your dementia.
What links do you want to see Senile Dave?
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The one of your creation in particular. You know, your momma and those guys? One of those 15 should be your daddy.

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#152417 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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We don't though. We all disagree on different levels. We all seem to agree on some things... but like i was pointing out with the hostage situation, some we disagree on. The funny thing is... nobody is bringing up these situations. Instead... the atheists are pointing out the immoral things in the bible and acting as if you would agree with them... and the Christians dodge that and tell the atheists that they have no way to be moral or that they are lying because their bible says so.... and I'm sorry but we are all full of it. None of us are rapists that i know of... something ELSE is going on and that is what we disagree with.
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Please explain what "transcendent" laws of morality are and how you know this.
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As a skeptical human being I do not see any reason to believe in a god. This has nothing to do with accounting for morals. However, for whatever reason it may be, I find the thought of another human being unnecessarily harmed in any way to make me feel pain. I have empathy and wish for equality. I do not want to hurt anyone and i don't need the fear of god or hell to keep me from harming someone. If someone does need that fear... they need psychological help.
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What action could please someone enough to ignore being tortured for eternity assuming they believed they knew that was the consequence?
If anything i think if atheists really did believe in god... it would show how morals are higher than god. I would say... if Abraham chose not to kill his son... it would be a more moral action that obeying God.
How do you feel about that kind of rejection?
Would it be immoral of Abraham to reject god and not kill his son?
Can you explain why Atheists make appeals to absolute moral standards?

That is the point I am making.

By the way, I am not a holder of the eternally burning sinner in hell position.

I do not believe it is warranted from the scripture (but thats another topic).

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#152418 Feb 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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"First cause" can be a quantum fluctuation or a singularity exploding. It can also be the exhaust fumes of some space craft, or the formation of an atom belonging to some pond scum in another universe. Your assuming it's a god, and your specific god, makes you a failure at logic.
Lot of faith going on there.

Interesting how it can be "anything but God"...

Why would you suppress that one singular option?

Of course, my argument being true, we do not need to answer that, when we fully know that that is the one thing your sinful nature desires to suppress.

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#152419 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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Wow. Shocked again.
Am i summarizing this correctly?
He said that rape and slavery is condoned in the bible.
Your response was " why would you care?".
You didn't deny it or account for it or even try to pull the out-of-context (because you know its immoral so you have to account for it) card.
You instead tried to show that he is either in fact fine with rape or that he actually does believe in god and that is why he isn't a rapist who is ok with slavery.
This is a problem for you if the bible condones slavery and rape...
Which brings us right back to his comment to you and renders your entire response meaningless unless you do at the very least try to make an excuse for the Bible
First of all, I do not accept his anti-theistic interprestion.

Second, on what basis, in his worldview, does he offer the moral outrage that he presents?

He cannot.

But rather appeals to the laws (corrupted as they are by sin in him), that he denies...

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#152420 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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I thought intellect came as a trick from a talking snake that made us all born sinners. That is a horrible gift.
Carnal reasoning is not intellect.

Reasoning apart from God, is not intellect.

It is foolishness.

Why would reasoning from a narrow perspective be better than reasoning along with the loving Creator of the universe.

You are equivocating here.

Not good.

I expect better from you.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152421 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Atheism:
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God."
"whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

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#152422 Feb 8, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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No. You don't have to know all the answers to point out failure.
If x+21=28 and x+42=49.... and the problem was to solve x+64=?
If your answer was either "64,864,953,854" or "purple giraffe"... i dont have to know the answer to see you went wrong here.
Or maybe see it from our perspective...
If you saw my phone bill... and it said i paid $39.99 for 450 min... and i told you my bill shows the truth and i have 1400 min.... this is self contradiction... you don't have to have verizon to know something is wrong here.
But then you have to account for logical mathematics...

You see, you cannot escape the atheistic predicament.

Atheism cannot account for any transcendent law, that is self evident in the universe.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152423 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Can you explain why Atheists make appeals to absolute moral standards?
That is the point I am making.
By the way, I am not a holder of the eternally burning sinner in hell position.
I do not believe it is warranted from the scripture (but thats another topic).
You are the only one trying to claim societal morals are "absolute". But you've yet to provide independently verifiable evidence for such a claim.

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#152424 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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There is mucho truth in what you say.
Topix atheists have the freedom to define reality the way they feel it should be, the world be damned. They will exercise their rights. Deal with it, world.
Astute observation.

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