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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152456 Feb 8, 2013
The Truth About Jesus Is He a Myth?
by Mangasar Magurditch Mangasarian

_By education most have been misled,
So they believe because they were so bred;
The priest continues what the nurse began,
And thus the child imposes on the man_.
DRYDEN.

PART I.

A PARABLE

I am today twenty-five hundred years old. I have been dead for nearly as many years. My place of birth was Athens; my grave was not far from those of Xenophon and Plato, within view of the white glory of Athens and the shimmering waters of the Aegean sea.

After sleeping in my grave for many centuries I awoke suddenly--I cannot tell how nor why--and was transported by a force beyond my control to this new day and this new city. I arrived here at daybreak,
when the sky was still dull and drowsy. As I approached the city I heard bells ringing, and a little later I found the streets astir with throngs of well dressed people in family groups wending their way hither and thither. Evidently they were not going to work, for they
were accompanied by their children in their best clothes, and a pleasant expression was upon their faces.

"This must be a day of festival and worship, devoted to one of their gods," I murmured to myself.

Looking about me I saw a gentleman in a neat black dress, smiling, and his hand extended to me with great cordiality. He must have realized I was a stranger and wished to tender his hospitality to me. I accepted it gratefully. I clasped his hand. He pressed mine. We gazed for a moment silently into each other's eyes. He understood my bewilderment amid my novel surroundings, and offered to enlighten me. He explained to me the ringing of the bells and the meaning of the holiday crowds moving in the streets. It was Sunday--Sunday before Christmas, and the people were going to "the House of God."

"Of course you are going there, too," I said to my friendly guide.

"Yes," he answered, "I conduct the worship. I am a priest."

"A priest of Apollo?" I interrogated.

"No, no," he replied, raising his hand to command silence, "Apollo is not a god; he was only an idol."

"An idol?" I whispered, taken by surprise.

"I perceive you are a Greek," he said to me, "and the Greeks," he continued, "notwithstanding their distinguished accomplishments, were an idolatrous people. They worshipped gods that did not exist. They
built temples to divinities which were merely empty names--empty names," he repeated. "Apollo and Athene--and the entire Olympian lot
were no more than inventions of the fancy."

"But the Greeks loved their gods," I protested, my heart clamoring in
my breast.

"They were not gods, they were idols, and the difference between a god
and an idol is this: an idol is a thing; God is a living being. When
you cannot prove the existence of your god, when you have never seen
him, nor heard his voice, nor touched him--when you have nothing
provable about him, he is an idol. Have you seen Apollo? Have you
heard him? Have you touched him?"

"No," I said, in a low voice.

"Do you know of any one who has?"

I had to admit that I did not.

"He was an idol, then, and not a god."

"But many of us Greeks," I said, "have felt Apollo in our hearts and
have been inspired by him."

"You imagine you have," returned my guide. "If he were really divine
he would be living to this day."

"Is he, then, dead?" I asked.

"He never lived; and for the last two thousand years or more his temple has been a heap of ruins."

I wept to hear that Apollo, the god of light and music, was no more--that his fair temple had fallen into ruins and the fire upon his altar had been extinguished; then, wiping a tear from my eyes, I said, "Oh, but our gods were fair and beautiful; our religion was rich and
picturesque. It made the Greeks a nation of poets, orators, artists, warriors, thinkers. It made Athens a city of light; it created the beautiful, the true, the good--yes, our religion was divine."

"It had only one fault," interrupted my guide.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#152457 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Still avoiding the question, as to how you account for the absolute morality that you appeal to constantly and deny exist on the other hand I see.
You're the one avoiding, mtimber. My argument does not appeal to absolute morality in any way.

Your moral system fails by it's OWN standards.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152458 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>So "anything goes" is your standard of morality?
No.

That's yours.

Without your fear of hell and god's punishment, you would have no reason to behave.

We atheists have more sense than that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152459 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>There is plenty of empirical evidence, recorded in history.

Also the evidence is within you and around you, in all the laws that govern mind and matter.

The problem is not evidence, the problem is tha you do not want to be led down the path the evidence provides.

So you suppress the truth, so that you can continue in sin.
What evidence?

What sin?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152460 Feb 8, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Still avoiding the question, as to how you account for the absolute morality that you appeal to constantly and deny exist on the other hand I see.

Avoiding the question, does not mean you have presented an argument.

It just shows you do not have the courage to put your own worldview out there for examination.

But rather hide behind attacking others...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humani...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152461 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>What is humanism?

What is humanist, and what is not?

What did it arise from? How did it come into being?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humani...

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#152462 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for the understanding.
The biggest issue is draining the tub, then stooping down and disassembling the control unit, after which I may get lucky and have a portion left to resurrect it, which I actually have little desire to do, as that sucker inhales HUGE quantities of my income.
I am considering becoming an atheist again, of the Topix science based type, and invoke Polymath's virtual particles to effect repairs in situ, which my decrepit old body would greatly appreciate, and if such did occur, will then apply such scientific principles to the repair and rehabilitation of said decrepit old body.
I feel your pain. Big hit on the gas bill.

I have a hot tub too. My problem is that the walls have 2" x 2" tiles attached, and the little tiles are starting to come unglued from the walls....

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152463 Feb 8, 2013
The very underpinnings of evolution is struggle and death. With the attendant varieties of application. Starvation, disease, and killing are vital and inescapable mechanisms of the process. Human cultures killing other human cultures is even part of that process. The culture is the basis of organization and survival of that group. Resistance to change is built into the evolutionary method as a way to maintain what was gained.

So man has been killing and mistreating man for a very long time. Evolutionary pressure caused such to happen.

But what do our brilliant Topix atheist purveyors of morality do?

They get on here and shriek "Goddidit".

Amazing, the intellectual heights they have achieved. I am sure they went to school for a very long time to get so smart.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#152464 Feb 8, 2013
Turkey wrote:
<quoted text>There is no decent discourse with an atheist. It will always end up with insults. Atheists are dishonest faithless and dogmatic to name a few. Pigeon chess masters. No believer should cast their pearls before all you atheist swine. You're only good for entertainment. All atheists have a grevious destiny. Topix Hatheists are a particularly absurd lot. Now get back to flailing and entertain me.
Project much?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#152465 Feb 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I know what Humanism is. I'm a Humanist.

And I have iterated and reiterated the ideals and philosophies of Humanistic thought throughout these Atheism threads. More than once to you directly.

So obviously you don't really want to learn, you just want to play the troll game.

Look it up for yourself. Learn something for a change. Then try, oh please try, to actually come back with a question that shows you can learn something new and comprehend what Humanism is about, at least at a cursory level.
I heard that humanist were going to change there name to Apeshit.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#152466 Feb 8, 2013
"What was that?" I inquired, without knowing what his answer would be.

"It was not true."

"But I still believe in Apollo," I exclaimed; "he is not dead, I know he is alive."

"Prove it," he said to me; then, pausing for a moment, "if you produce him," he said, "we shall all fall down and worship him. Produce Apollo and he shall be our god."

"Produce him!" I whispered to myself. "What blasphemy!" Then, taking heart, I told my guide how more than once I had felt Apollo's radiant presence in my heart, and told him of the immortal lines of Homer concerning the divine Apollo. "Do you doubt Homer?" I said to him;
"Homer, the inspired bard? Homer, whose inkwell was as big as the sea; whose imperishable page was Time? Homer, whose every word was a drop of light?" Then I proceeded to quote from Homer's _Iliad_, the Greek
Bible, worshipped by all the Hellenes as the rarest Manuscript between heaven and earth. I quoted his description of Apollo, than whose lyre nothing is more musical, than whose speech even honey is not sweeter.
I recited how his mother went from town to town to select a worthy place to give birth to the young god, son of Zeus, the Supreme Being, and how he was born and cradled amid the ministrations of all the goddesses, who bathed him in the running stream and fed him with
nectar and ambrosia from Olympus. Then I recited the lines which picture Apollo bursting his bands, leaping forth from his cradle, and spreading his wings like a swan, soaring sunward, declaring that he had come to announce to mortals the will of God. "Is it possible," I
asked, "that all this is pure fabrication, a fantasy of the brain, as unsubstantial as the air? No, no, Apollo is not an idol. He is a god, and the son of a god. The whole Greek world will bear me witness that I am telling the truth." Then I looked at my guide to see what impression this outburst of sincere enthusiasm had produced upon him, and I saw a cold smile upon his lips that cut me to the heart. It seemed as if he wished to say to me, "You poor deluded pagan! You are not intelligent enough to know that Homer was only a mortal after all, and that he was writing a play in which he manufactured the gods of whom he sang--that these gods existed only in his imagination, and that today they are as dead as is their inventor--the poet."

By this time we stood at the entrance of a large edifice which my guide said was "the House of God." As we walked in I saw innumerable little lights blinking and winking all over the spacious interior. There were, besides, pictures, altars and images all around me. The
air was heavy with incense; a number of men in gorgeous vestments were passing to and fro, bowing and kneeling before the various lights and images. The audience was upon its knees enveloped in silence--a silence so solemn that it awed me. Observing my anxiety to understand the meaning of all this, my guide took me aside and in a whisper told me that the people were celebrating the anniversary of the birthday of their beautiful Savior--Jesus, the Son of God.

"So was Apollo the son of God," I replied, thinking perhaps that after all we might find ourselves in agreement with one another.

"Forget Apollo," he said, with a suggestion of severity in his voice. "There is no such person. He was only an idol. If you were to search for Apollo in all the universe you would never find any one answering to his name or description. Jesus," he resumed, "is the Son of God. He came to our earth and was born of a virgin."

Again I was tempted to tell my guide that that was how Apollo became
incarnate; but I restrained myself.

"Then Jesus grew up to be a man," continued my guide, "performing unheard-of wonders, such as treading the seas, giving sight, hearing and speech to the blind, the deaf and the dumb, converting water into wine, feeding the multitudes miraculously, predicting coming events and resurrecting the dead."

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#152467 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you were iterating and reiterating the effects of mental disease.
I understand better, now. Thanks for the heads up.
Ad hominem is a sure sign that you have nothing on point and you're reduced to trying to get an emotional response.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152468 Feb 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel your pain. Big hit on the gas bill.
I have a hot tub too. My problem is that the walls have 2" x 2" tiles attached, and the little tiles are starting to come unglued from the walls....
A bigger hit on electricity. 240v and 37 amp on this electric heater. The meter dial literally turns 70 plus times faster when it kicks in. Once it is up to temp it usually only runs for 30-60 seconds every half hour or so, but 24/7 that adds up.

Sounds like you have moisture getting under the tiles. In lieu of having it all redone, let it dry out, clean as good as you can, and use some silicone glue behind the loose ones. If you get it dried out try putting some wax or something over the tile to help keep the moisture out.

You ought to see the custom cover I made. The original was shot. This tub is in an eight foot square enclosure. Big tub. I made a frame of PVC, used plastic sheets and cheap tarps from WalMart wrapped around to enclose wall and heater duct insulation scraps I had. Works better than the original, and lots lighter. The frame is just outside the rim of the tub, so it seals real good. I use a couple of ropes and pulleys to raise and lower. No strain.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#152469 Feb 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel your pain. Big hit on the gas bill.
I have a hot tub too. My problem is that the walls have 2" x 2" tiles attached, and the little tiles are starting to come unglued from the walls....
Dave can commiserate. It appears he's coming unglued as well.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152470 Feb 8, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
The Truth About Jesus Is He a Myth?
by Mangasar Magurditch Mangasarian
_By education most have been misled,
So they believe because they were so bred;
The priest continues what the nurse began,
And thus the child imposes on the man_.
DRYDEN.
PART I.
A PARABLE
I am today twenty-five hundred years old. I have been dead heard him? Have you touched him?"
"No," I said, in a low voice.
"Do you know of any one who has?"
I had to admit that I did not.
"
The ramblings of a incoherent mind by which interpreted means, blah, blah, blah, blah,…………

I found the garbled words to be meaningless and uninteresting. Stick to gun rats, you’re better at that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152471 Feb 8, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ad hominem is a sure sign that you have nothing on point and you're reduced to trying to get an emotional response.
Can humanism exist without humans?

When did humanism first appear?

Now, what is humanism, again?
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#152472 Feb 8, 2013
Treating others in the way you want to be treated is at humanism's core. No magic woo required.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
What is humanism?
What is humanist, and what is not?
What did it arise from? How did it come into being?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152473 Feb 8, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave can commiserate. It appears he's coming unglued as well.
:-)

Perhaps you would be a nice girl and lick me and stick me together again?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152474 Feb 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The very underpinnings of evolution is struggle and death. With the attendant varieties of application. Starvation, disease, and killing are vital and inescapable mechanisms of the process. Human cultures killing other human cultures is even part of that process. The culture is the basis of organization and survival of that group. Resistance to change is built into the evolutionary method as a way to maintain what was gained.
So man has been killing and mistreating man for a very long time. Evolutionary pressure caused such to happen.
But what do our brilliant Topix atheist purveyors of morality do?
They get on here and shriek "Goddidit".
Amazing, the intellectual heights they have achieved. I am sure they went to school for a very long time to get so smart.
I see you're serving up red herring today. Is that what the straw man is having, too?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#152475 Feb 8, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Treating others in the way you want to be treated is at humanism's core. No magic woo required.
<quoted text>
Sure would be if you were fighting over the only meal available.

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