Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.
You indeed worship a dark savage animal.
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Antisemite along with your other religious bigotry. You're a well rounded bigot and proud of it too.

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Actually he celebrates their deaths and suffering as it helped reform the state of Israel.
But remember Daffy is the that said the serpent in the garden of Eden was actually a homo erectus slithering around a tree. And that an Arab went into his Dad's hospital room and that made him believe in Allah for some reason.
Crazy ole Daffy, always good for a laugh.
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You judge for yourself if this individual is a kind humanitarian. If I remember there are 15 "I's" in the post below.

Givemeliberty post #150915

{I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.

I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.

Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.

Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out}.

Saving life’s and spewing hate, what a freaking joke.

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No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.
You indeed worship a dark savage animal.
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I think a dark savage animal lives inside of you.

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Porn is not intended for children be it sexual or Jesus on a cross.
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Are you one of those who traffic porn of underage children?

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Feb 7, 2013
 
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Antisemite along with your other religious bigotry. You're a well rounded bigot and proud of it too.
No, Eagle.

You're the one who is despicable. Asqueroso, as they say where I come from.

You believe your god allowed for the Holocaust, so there could be an Israel.

Filthy stuff, dude.

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Feb 7, 2013
 
Ah the wailing cry of the losing theist. You always know they are getting desperate when they bring up Stalin who is still considered a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church.

Crazy old Daffy, always good for a laugh.
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Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.

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Feb 7, 2013
 
I am proud of the charity work I have done, are you proud of Hitler helping your bible statement about Israel returning? This is what you stated before yes? You celebrated all those innocents killed at the command of Hitler because in your words it helped return the state of Israel.

So Hitler in his own way was doing the work of your god yes?
Eagle12 wrote:
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You judge for yourself if this individual is a kind humanitarian. If I remember there are 15 "I's" in the post below.
Givemeliberty post #150915
{I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out}.
Saving life’s and spewing hate, what a freaking joke.

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Feb 7, 2013
 
No your church is.

Is that what you search for Daffy? It sure seems to be on your mind.
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Are you one of those who traffic porn of underage children?

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Feb 7, 2013
 
That's the morals his Christian faith has instilled in him. Celebrating the holocaust because of his bible.
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No, Eagle.
You're the one who is despicable. Asqueroso, as they say where I come from.
You believe your god allowed for the Holocaust, so there could be an Israel.
Filthy stuff, dude.

“The eye has it...”

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Feb 7, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.
You might find this interesting. I'm sure others will.

"ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER" by UNC Professor David A. Plaisted Ph.D.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/articles/2011/1...
A downloadable .pdf.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/50%20mi...
It's a .pdf, detailing Christianity, the Papacy and it's search and pursuit of Heretics etc.. from around 600CE to the present.

The death toll estimates run from just below 50 million, to as high as 120 million. Accurate records weren't kept during those centuries as far as population etc...

50 million, to as high as 120 million Protestants, Heretics, Pagans, "savages" and others. Dead.

In the name of spreading and enforcing the "real" Christian religion.

It's compiled by a Christian, and references Christian writings and estimates of the time periods - that range from the 600CE-1850's.

The info is hosted on a Christian site, "NOISE OF THUNDER RADIO SHOW". http://www.noiseofthunder.com/about/

Authenticated correspondence to various Popes, from his "commanders", "representatives", and others, and their reports of the progress they were making, are included.

An example:

As an illustration of the attitude of the Catholic Church towards the Protestants in Bohemia, Robbins [Ecclesiastical Megalomania, The Trinity Foundation, 1999, p. 134] writes “Two centuries after Thomas, Martin V (1417-1431) ordered the King of Poland to exterminate the Hussites. The Pope wrote to the King:

"Know that the interests of the Holy See, and those of your crown, make it a duty to exterminate the Hussites. Remember that these impious persons dare proclaim principles of equality; they maintain that all Christians are brethren and that God has not given to privileged men the right of ruling the nations; they hold that Christ came on Earth to abolish slavery; they call the people to liberty, that is to the annihilation of kings and priests. While there is still time, then, turn your forces against Bohemia; burn, massacre, make deserts everywhere, for nothing could be more agreeable to God, or more useful to the cause of kings, than the extermination of the Hussites.

"In Bohemia, by 1600, in a population of 4,000,000, 80 per cent were Protestant. When the Hapsburgs and Jesuits had done their work, 800,000 were left, all Catholics."

Another excerpt.

"During its rise to power, the Papacy also essentially exterminated the Heruli shortly after 493 A.D., the Vandals soon after 533 A.D., and the Ostrogoths in 554 A.D, all of whom were asserted to hold to the Arian belief. However, Limborch (The History of the Inquisition, p. 95) doubts that Arius held the views attributed to him. Concerning the Vandals, Bunch writes:

“It is reckoned that during the reign of Justinian, Africa lost five millions of inhabitants; thus Arianism was extinguished in that region, not by any enforcement of conformity, but by the extermination of the race which had introduced and professed it.”– History of the Christian Church, J.C. Robertson, Vol. 1, p. 521.

Again, the estimates run from just below 50 million, to as high as 120 million.

The mind of a madman doesn't work like the mind of a sane person or people.

It's much easier to say that despots exist in any society, and are not exclusive to any one group of people, nor, does being a part of a particular group of people exclude them from doing heinous things to other people.
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Feb 8, 2013
 
I wouldn't blindly follow anyone, whether it was a cult leader like your jesus, or mohammed, or an evil priest school attender like Stalin.
Eagle12 wrote:
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Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.

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Feb 8, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Antisemite along with your other religious bigotry. You're a well rounded bigot and proud of it too.
More religious bigotry...

Lutheran pastor apologizes for praying in Newtown vigil

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/07/luth...

"Pastor Rob Morris, who leads the Christ the King Lutheran Church in Newtown, violated the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod's rule against taking part in joint worship services, said the synod's president, Pastor Matthew C. Harrison."

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In the macro world.

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Feb 8, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
A certain particular someone has been body bagged. I don’t use the term,“white sheet.”

You have been bagged and tagged.

I will continue to skip over your comments.

You are just too damn weird for me. Any man who pretends to be a women and multiple characters is just too much for me.

I also think responding to you constantly is boring because you bring no interesting thoughts or challenging arguments.

You are a weak player Muchacho. In the freezer you go head first and there you will stay.
Your belief that you are clever is as unfounded as your religious beliefs.
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scaritual wrote:
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You might find this interesting. I'm sure others will.
"ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER" by UNC Professor David A. Plaisted Ph.D.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/articles/2011/1...
A downloadable .pdf.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/50%20mi...
It's a .pdf, detailing Christianity, the Papacy and it's search and pursuit of Heretics etc.. from around 600CE to the present.
The death toll estimates run from just below 50 million, to as high as 120 million. Accurate records weren't kept during those centuries as far as population etc...
50 million, to as high as 120 million Protestants, Heretics, Pagans, "savages" and others. Dead.
In the name of spreading and enforcing the "real" Christian religion.
It's compiled by a Christian, and references Christian writings and estimates of the time periods - that range from the 600CE-1850's.
The info is hosted on a Christian site, "NOISE OF THUNDER RADIO SHOW". http://www.noiseofthunder.com/about/
Authenticated correspondence to
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It's much easier to say that despots exist in any society, and are not exclusive to any one group of people, nor, does being a part of a particular group of people exclude them from doing heinous things to other people.
I find the Christian posters unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things.

Some may wish to choose a more rigorous mental workout but I credit this daily infusion of annoyance with extending my lifespan! ;)

The RCC in action...
http://anticlerical.multiply.com/photos/album...

We love our Catholic children...
http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2010/04/catholic-...
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Feb 8, 2013
 
The Vatican and the governments that fornicate with her - being that the Vatican is the Great Harlot - continue their attempt to cover up their crimes.

In fact, the attempted silencing of whistleblowers by churches and the government of Canada has been and remains part of their attempt to conceal their own Crimes against Humanity.

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/86619003
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Interesting, but depressing video, "The End of Europe".. our economy is up shit creek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Feb 8, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
The Vatican and the governments that fornicate with her - being that the Vatican is the Great Harlot - continue their attempt to cover up their crimes.
"Great Harlot"? This sounds that fundie anti-catholic language?

I realise this is perhaps an unpopular view, but I think that it can be a difficult question to answer when faced with incidents which happened decades ago or by dead priests. Not taking sides. But when read here that "priests are pedos" think there can be an element of hysteria.

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Feb 8, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes we have knowledge and reasoning that those ancient sheep kissers could have only dreamt of. You are living in a fantasy world not reality.
If Jesus had existed Joseph would have likely been thighing him, Jesus would have wiped his @ss with his bare hand and they didn't exactly have anti microbial soaps back then. The world at that time was dark and disease filled. You were lucky to reach adulthood.
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We have had our differences, and believe it or not, I have spent considerable time trying to see any socially redeeming value in you. But this morning it came to me. You may very well have a substantial impact on the lives of people.

You inspire one to think, to really reach deep into understanding life, and developing one's consciousness of it. You cause one to appreciate the struggles each and every organism encounters to stay alive, and the true chance and randomness of this creation. And of the choices, if available, of each organism to reconcile itself to its fate. How it deals with the luck of the draw, so to speak. What options it has to resolve to enhance its comfort level.

Being a technical type thinker, you have inspired me to advance an idea that may make life easier for mankind. I mean, who else but you can instill a sympathy for genital warts that have to share space with you?

So here is the idea. Through the wonders of science, man produces little nano pistols. Pictures of you and transcripts of your postings are packaged with these nano pistols, and shipped to doctors and those places that treat social diseases. The medical specialists then show such to infected people, and inform them you will be their next date. Then the little nano pistols are offered to their warts.

See, you may serve a useful purpose afterall. God works in mysterious ways.
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Feb 8, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
Interesting, but depressing video, "The End of Europe".. our economy is up shit creek.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The economy

Reality 101

Many have a poor understanding of a depression.
and more important - recovery.

Once upon a time...
1929 - Black Friday - Stock Market crashed, banks closed, savings lost.
1930 - 1932 - Great Depression begins, prohibition at its peak
1932 - 1940 - FDR elected creates SS and many govt aid programs to put nation to work.
Dust bowl in Midwest, farms abandoned, people move to find work. Prohibition repealed.
1941 - 1945 - WWII USA emerges as most powerful nation on planet - war economy booms.
1946 - beginning of the 'good times'... ;-)

Do the arithmetic...

16 years to correct and it took a world war.

Regardless of whom occupies the White House
It will take a generation to correct if even then.

Left with a surplus. Bush & Co. Started two illegal wars, and in 8 painful years destroyed the USA economy, the integrity of the office of president and the respect of the nation.

The massive Democrat victory was inevitable.

McCains choice of Palin doomed GOP credibility
Rommey infamous 47% crack alienated 150 million Americans.

This GOP medieval retrograde thinking has no place in our future.

Suggestions

a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots.

b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.

c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.
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Feb 8, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
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"Great Harlot"? This sounds that fundie anti-catholic language?
I realise this is perhaps an unpopular view, but I think that it can be a difficult question to answer when faced with incidents which happened decades ago or by dead priests. Not taking sides. But when read here that "priests are pedos" think there can be an element of hysteria.
Decades old? Whew!
Try worldwide DAILY!

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/...

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