Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#152323 Feb 7, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Can't be coz i peel it with hands, i'll check label next time.
Well, some fruit are sexy looking!
I'm not sweet, please don't eat me, please!!!
Yeah, figs are sexy looking.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#152324 Feb 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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The Gospels are legends made to lay down a religion. They're no more historical than the accounts of Muhammad talking to Allah or Joseph Smith meeting an angel or Buddha achieving Nirvana.
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Completely untrue. People believe ridiculous things without evidence all the time. You don't apply this standard to any other religion.
Then prove they are legends, and that the witnesses were liars.

It should be simple, if true.

Not so with Islam, sorry. Muhammad had no witnesses at all, and was illiterate. No apostles at all, and therefore, no peer-reviewed evidence. The Bible is a written account of the events themselves, and correlates with events from outside sources.

Not even the Jews deny Jesus, who above all had the motive and the opportunity to do so, since they regarded him as a sorcerer. Had Christians been lying, they would have been the FIRST to note that in the historical records, or not noted it at all, which would have been enough to suggest it never happened.

Every bit of ancient evidence shows us that something very unusually happened on the fringe of the Roman Empire, where the Empire fought against one uprising after another, leading after the Third Jewish War to its demise and withdrawal from the Indian Ocean for which it briefly reached.

No, neither Muhammad, nor Joseph Smith, have witnesses, or good arguments. But that has never been the problem of Christianity, which merged from nowhere, a full-blown church with it's rituals intact, as if everything they knew was taught by someone directly. We have heaps upon heaps of evidence.

But let me guess, the Bible does count for you, or the records of the Church, right? Too biased?

Sorry, that won't fly either. You don't get to pick and choose which evidence is valid. If you suspect bias, then show where it lies. The burden is on you, not any Christian.

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#152325 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Historical data is the supporting evidence.
Stop being vague. What historical data?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
The Age of Reason and Enlightenment was no such thing.


Yes, they were. Science is the promotion of knowledge through reason and observation, rather than revelation.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
I see you dropped the Renaissance, probably realizing you were wrong.
You brought up the Renaissance.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Secular is a made up word that means nothing to us.
It has a clear meaning. Pretending a word doesn't have meaning doesn't make the meaning go away.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Religion includes everything, including science and sociology, for religion deals with everything.
Science and sociology are not INHERENTLY religious, at all. That's what secular means.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Only the anti-religious assert that some things are "secular" and created a word for that. That does not make the concept a valid one. Do you have a valid argument to assert that something is "secular?" Eating a hamburger is secular? Not to us, we thank God for it.
lol. YOU adding a religious connotation to something doesn't make that thing inherently religious.

Is eating a hamburger inherently competitive? Well I can start a burger eating contest!
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
You assert that I must prove that the dead were not lying? You just outed yourself as anti-science, and stupid. The burden of proof is on you, and you know it.
You are making extraordinary claims of miracles and other supernatural events. The burden of proof to support those claims is on you.

"Some guys wrote it down" is piss-poor evidence that no one in their right mind would find convincing.

Provide some real evidence.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
It is baffling that you are not aware of the the evidence that is so readily available. there is more evidence for Jesus than even Julius Caesar.
Laughably false.

We have first hand writings of Caesar, we have numerous reliable, independent, unbiased, contemporary historical accounts of Caesar, and we have physical artifacts of Caesar (coins, busts). None of these things is true of Jesus.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
That is what is baffling. You are attempting to shift the burden of proof after centuries of information being handed down generation after generation.
You are attempting to portray religious legends as historical fact.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
You don't just get to say ... "hey, wait a minute, how do I know all you people for the last 2000 years were telling the truth?"
Well, prove that they were not then.
It's a bit different when the stories in question are written by anonymous cult members and they're full of absurdities. This is the reason why you reject all similar stories from other religions.

My friend Joe can shoot lasers from his eyes. Believe me?

Since: Dec 11

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#152326 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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For the US, thanks to modern policing.
Not for the world.
Thanks for being myopic.
Thanks for moving the goalposts when you don't like being refuted.

You tried to associate porn with sex crimes, but despite the US being the porn capital of the world, and access to porn increasing massively in the past 20 years (internet), yet sex crimes are down.

Your association FAILS.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152327 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I'm not.
Uh, no video games for you tonight.
Give me your cellphone.
Here's some magnets and some string. Learn something tonight.
Don't play video games, no cellphone. Do very little teevee(2 hours a week?...maybe).

You're reaching, and a little angry, Dave...hahaaa.

Since: Dec 11

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#152328 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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We are smarter than ancient peoples?
Then you must not have read much about them.
By what standards were they smarter?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
More educated? How so?
Is this a joke? How is the average modern person more educated than the average ancient human? The average modern human can READ, for one. Most go through numerous years in school. What major education systems did the ancients have?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
More free time? Maybe, but that does not make people more intelligent. That just gives them time to acquire more knowledge.
Yes, which aids skepticism.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
No, Jesus's time was amazingly complex, and you demonstrate a profoundly uneducated mind. You obviously have no idea how complex the world was then, do you?
Not nearly as complex as it is today, especially for the average person.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
No, fool, they would laugh at us, and our lazy and meaningless life as we play Black Ops and watch porn. We exploit the world. They MADE THE WORLD as we know it.
Gosh, ignorance like yours makes me angry.
Yeah, I bet your typical illiterate farmer who spends all day in the fields would be laughing at the world we have today.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#152329 Feb 7, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>There is a LONG list of people who used to write in those days who NEVER mentioned jesus. Why would they write about someone that wasn't there?
For example; Philo Judaeus wrote very many books about Jewish religion and history, living in Alexandria, and visiting Jerusalem. Philo visited Jerusalem and had family there, he was considered a Christian by later Christians, and he wrote a great deal about related times and peoples and issues.
If Jesus had existed, Philo would certainly have written about him and his teachings. But he never mentions jesus.
Many examples like this.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/philo.html

LOL!!!!!!!

He did.

(36) There was a certain madman named Carabbas ... this man spent all this days and nights naked in the roads, minding neither cold nor heat, the sport of idle children and wanton youths;

(37) and they, driving the poor wretch as far as the public gymnasium, and setting him up there on high that he might be seen by everybody, flattened out a leaf of papyrus and put it on his head instead of a diadem, and clothed the rest of his body with a common door mat instead of a cloak and instead of a sceptre they put in his hand a small stick of the native papyrus which they found lying by the way side and gave to him;

(38) and when, like actors in theatrical spectacles, he had received all the insignia of royal authority, and had been dressed and adorned like a king, the young men bearing sticks on their shoulders stood on each side of him instead of spear-bearers, in imitation of the bodyguards of the king, and then others came up, some as if to salute him, and others making as though they wished to plead their causes before him, and others pretending to wish to consult with him about the affairs of the state.

(39) Then from the multitude of those who were standing around there arose a wonderful shout of men calling out Maris!; and this is the name by which it is said that they call the kings among the Syrians; for they knew that Agrippa was by birth a Syrian, and also that he was possessed of a great district of Syria of which he was the sovereign;

He just didn't know his name. That came after he became a Christian, and possibly a source of doctrine. The events BEFORE the Resurrection would not have been of any note to anyone. People were being crucified for rebellion all the time. Jesus would not have stood out to those that had not heard him speak.

It was the Resurrection that got he ball rolling.

Now is lack of evidence proof of anything. The Romans and Greeks destroyed a great deal of literature. Caesar's stupidity caused the Library of Alexandria to burn down, and Alexander burned the Library of Tyre to the ground. These were not isolated incidences, the stupid Romans kept losing records and books in one war after another. An attempt was made to use Pergamon to store scrolls, only to lose many aboard ships on the way.

Who knows how much was lost as the Empire engaged in one war after another, eventually falling to barbarism, where the Jews and the Christians had to pull books out of the flames to perserve what little we have now. Had it not been for them, we'd never know of Caesar, or Homer, or anyone.

Since: Dec 11

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#152330 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Then prove they are legends, and that the witnesses were liars.
It should be simple, if true.
They contain absurdities and are written in a legendary manner.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Not so with Islam, sorry. Muhammad had no witnesses at all, and was illiterate.
He did have witnesses. Do you propose Islam was formed out of thin air?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
No apostles at all, and therefore, no peer-reviewed evidence.
Apostles are not peer-reviewed evidence. They are biased cult members.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
The Bible is a written account of the events themselves, and correlates with events from outside sources.
In that most of the events of the OT can't even be documented by outside sources? That no contemporary historian of the time, like Philo, bothered to mention it? That no one noticed a bunch of Saints rising from graves? I'd think zombies would be a noteworthy occurrence.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Not even the Jews deny Jesus, who above all had the motive and the opportunity to do so, since they regarded him as a sorcerer.
What's the difference? They had two possible arguments to use: "no, he didn't", or "yeah, he did, but it was sorcery". Given the superstitious era, it's no surprise they chose the latter.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Had Christians been lying, they would have been the FIRST to note that in the historical records
How would they go about noting that they were lying?
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
No, neither Muhammad, nor Joseph Smith, have witnesses, or good arguments.
That's just plain false. Joseph Smith had numerous eyewitnesses who all wrote firsthand about their experiences with him. They're called "The 8 Witnesses".
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
But that has never been the problem of Christianity, which merged from nowhere, a full-blown church with it's rituals intact, as if everything they knew was taught by someone directly.
The beliefs were not all intact, there was variation among groups. It's the entire reason that Christians had to get together to form creeds and determine canon.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
But let me guess, the Bible does count for you, or the records of the Church, right? Too biased?
Sorry, that won't fly either.
Of course it flies. Documents full of absurdities should be rejected without greater evidence.

Were you to be on a jury and the defense told you that the defendant could fly, you wouldn't believe that. You wouldn't believe it even if a couple friends of his testified to it.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#152331 Feb 7, 2013
10% couldn't have built that? Sheesh belief in your god Jesus makes you stupid.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are FOS.
The Second Temple was quite an engineering feat. The Romans, who are quite famous for their engineering skills, had a helluva time dismantling it.
BTW, it was really just a big slaughterhouse and meat market.

Since: Apr 12

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#152332 Feb 7, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Dave.

We know.

You sit in your hot tub and sniff fart bubbles.

It's having an effect on you.
A sport I know nothing about. You however brought it up so you revile your full knowledge of the under water fart smelling sport. So one can conclude that you spent quite a bit of time practicing at it.

Really weird!

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#152333 Feb 7, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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A sport I know nothing about. You however brought it up so you revile your full knowledge of the under water fart smelling sport. So one can conclude that you spent quite a bit of time practicing at it.
Really weird!
Who said anything about "under water"?

What kind of freak are you?

Since: Oct 12

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#152334 Feb 7, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Re-asses?
Like, backsides?
Buttocks?
ROFL!!!! And i thought Eagle was losing his talent.

That's it, I've made up my mind, Eagle is not real, he's playin' a joke on us!

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#152335 Feb 7, 2013
Clementia wrote:
It was so cute, I watched it with my mummy, it was just too cute!! I think i enjoyed it more coz of that.
Cherish each moment with her. I lost mine not to long ago and it's a hard void to get over.

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#152336 Feb 7, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
I'm trying to rework my sleep schedule back to normal.
Melatonin is good for resetting your sleep cycle.

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#152337 Feb 7, 2013
Clementia wrote:
I like orange colour fruit, the one that is sour and u don't use a knife to cut it but u do it with your fingers, which one is that?
I think only blood oranges are sour.

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#152338 Feb 7, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Vanellope is sooooooooo cute
Probably the best character that Sarah Silverman has ever played.

"I guess you've really gotta watch your step in a game called Hero's Doody!"

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#152339 Feb 7, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Stick with the lesbian porn. That's what I do.
Heyyy, babe!

Inspector Tide is carrying out a top secret investigation about the fake Clementine. If u have any information regarding this matter, please do contact him! Thank u!

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#152340 Feb 7, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Who said anything about "under water"?

What kind of freak are you?
He said smelling fart bubbles. The farts are therefore under water. The smelling them is a sport above the water as the bubble break I would assume.

Jessssss!

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#152341 Feb 7, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Cherish each moment with her. I lost mine not to long ago and it's a hard void to get over.
I'm sorry for your loss!

I will do.

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#152342 Feb 7, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Probably the best character that Sarah Silverman has ever played.
"I guess you've really gotta watch your step in a game called Hero's Doody!"
Nah, not blood oranges either, dw, it's my mission to find out, i'm gonna check the sticker next time!

She's sooo adorable, kids are too cute!

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