Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152366 Feb 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Nice fantasy, but not the forces that actually drive the wold.
But they are the ideals a few have in mind.
Thanks I give that some do, think ...and think there is something to keep them straight.
Reality bites harder though, and Eagle my friend there is only one thing that you can truly trust.
Brotherhood, and the cold steel we carry in strength of arms.
That you can believe in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =G5uamDMoW4oXX
I enjoyed that and listened to the entire song.

“Something to believe in.”

Great men can and do fall into temptations.

Less than great men also fall into temptations.

Who among us is above reproach? For we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

People do want something to believe in that’s above reproach. Men are fallible but God is not.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152367 Feb 7, 2013
A certain particular someone has been body bagged. I don’t use the term,“white sheet.”

You have been bagged and tagged.

I will continue to skip over your comments.

You are just too damn weird for me. Any man who pretends to be a women and multiple characters is just too much for me.

I also think responding to you constantly is boring because you bring no interesting thoughts or challenging arguments.

You are a weak player Muchacho. In the freezer you go head first and there you will stay.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#152368 Feb 7, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought, in Colorado in winter, maybe a skating rink for birds.
Has been fairly warm this year. I am sure if I cut the heat off out there in the building the pipes will burst, but it won't be cold enough for a birdie skating rink.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#152370 Feb 7, 2013
Anticipating rewards for "good" behavior is a human creation.

It is something theists and atheists both subscribe to, and make the same mistakes.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#152371 Feb 7, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
70+ years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iw02OGddhD8XX
On a homemade cigar box 4 string "geetar", too boot.
Another song, just for range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Nice. Thanks. Love the slide.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#152372 Feb 7, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
No conflict inside me my good Doctor. All humans will pass through deaths door. We were guaranteed that experience when we were born.
I know that through this very horrific war, a new nation was born. Many Jews were saved and many were lost. Yes, God allowed it to happen and God also allowed Germany to be defeated. The cruelty was done by mankind to mankind and the cruelty continues even to this day.
World History is very ugly my good Doctor. This ugliness started when Cain killed his brother Able. Men have the ability to have children or make life. And they have the ability to take life.
I’m not Catholic and I will never bow down to a graven image. I don’t agree with what they do but at the same time I want them to have the freedom to worship as they desire.
Yes, this is exactly the noncommittal response I was expecting. The dodge, the weave, the turning a blind eye to the meat of the matter. I do realize that you have no answers for the actions or non-actions of your God, but I never asked for an answer as to his cruelty. I asked....Is it reasonable to expect prayers of the millions of jews to be answered, at least some of them? Given the fact that you staunchly defend the answering of prayers. Millions of prayers went unanswered. Does it seem reasonable to you that God will answer any number of prayers, or so people say, but completely ignore the millions of jews who suffered and died?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#152373 Feb 7, 2013
No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.

You indeed worship a dark savage animal.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
That’s your rendition of the historical event. It’s always interesting to hear the demented twisted version coming from our resident hate filled Atheist. I wouldn’t say Hitler did the will of God but the United Nations certainly did.
Thank you for your demonic interpretation of history.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#152374 Feb 7, 2013
Actually he celebrates their deaths and suffering as it helped reform the state of Israel.

But remember Daffy is the that said the serpent in the garden of Eden was actually a homo erectus slithering around a tree. And that an Arab went into his Dad's hospital room and that made him believe in Allah for some reason.

Crazy ole Daffy, always good for a laugh.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, this is exactly the noncommittal response I was expecting. The dodge, the weave, the turning a blind eye to the meat of the matter. I do realize that you have no answers for the actions or non-actions of your God, but I never asked for an answer as to his cruelty. I asked....Is it reasonable to expect prayers of the millions of jews to be answered, at least some of them? Given the fact that you staunchly defend the answering of prayers. Millions of prayers went unanswered. Does it seem reasonable to you that God will answer any number of prayers, or so people say, but completely ignore the millions of jews who suffered and died?

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152375 Feb 7, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Hitler was the catholic leader of a mainly protestant Germany.
See what can be achieved when christians get their sects together.
<quoted text>
Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.

“Get it right”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#152376 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
...First rule of modern physics. Nothing in this universe is insignificant, no matter how hard a theoretical mathematician/physicist tries to ignore it.
If eveything were significant then why would we bother to have a word for it?

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152377 Feb 7, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.
You indeed worship a dark savage animal.
<quoted text>
Antisemite along with your other religious bigotry. You're a well rounded bigot and proud of it too.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152378 Feb 7, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually he celebrates their deaths and suffering as it helped reform the state of Israel.
But remember Daffy is the that said the serpent in the garden of Eden was actually a homo erectus slithering around a tree. And that an Arab went into his Dad's hospital room and that made him believe in Allah for some reason.
Crazy ole Daffy, always good for a laugh.
<quoted text>
You judge for yourself if this individual is a kind humanitarian. If I remember there are 15 "I's" in the post below.

Givemeliberty post #150915

{I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.

I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.

Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.

Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out}.

Saving life’s and spewing hate, what a freaking joke.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152379 Feb 7, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No it is what you are claiming Daffy, remember? As you said before there was a positive outcome to Hitler killing millions of, as he called them, Christ killers, and that was the state of Israel as stated in the bible. And oh how the state of Israel has been a blessing for the world! Just ask anyone at the 911 memorial.
You indeed worship a dark savage animal.
<quoted text>
I think a dark savage animal lives inside of you.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#152380 Feb 7, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Porn is not intended for children be it sexual or Jesus on a cross.
<quoted text>
Are you one of those who traffic porn of underage children?

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#152381 Feb 7, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Antisemite along with your other religious bigotry. You're a well rounded bigot and proud of it too.
No, Eagle.

You're the one who is despicable. Asqueroso, as they say where I come from.

You believe your god allowed for the Holocaust, so there could be an Israel.

Filthy stuff, dude.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152382 Feb 7, 2013
Ah the wailing cry of the losing theist. You always know they are getting desperate when they bring up Stalin who is still considered a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church.

Crazy old Daffy, always good for a laugh.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152383 Feb 7, 2013
I am proud of the charity work I have done, are you proud of Hitler helping your bible statement about Israel returning? This is what you stated before yes? You celebrated all those innocents killed at the command of Hitler because in your words it helped return the state of Israel.

So Hitler in his own way was doing the work of your god yes?
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You judge for yourself if this individual is a kind humanitarian. If I remember there are 15 "I's" in the post below.
Givemeliberty post #150915
{I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out}.
Saving life’s and spewing hate, what a freaking joke.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152384 Feb 7, 2013
No your church is.

Is that what you search for Daffy? It sure seems to be on your mind.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you one of those who traffic porn of underage children?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#152385 Feb 7, 2013
That's the morals his Christian faith has instilled in him. Celebrating the holocaust because of his bible.
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Eagle.
You're the one who is despicable. Asqueroso, as they say where I come from.
You believe your god allowed for the Holocaust, so there could be an Israel.
Filthy stuff, dude.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#152386 Feb 7, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren’t you proud Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Lenin got their act together? These three Atheist were responsible for 95 million deaths.
You might find this interesting. I'm sure others will.

"ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER" by UNC Professor David A. Plaisted Ph.D.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/articles/2011/1...
A downloadable .pdf.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/50%20mi...
It's a .pdf, detailing Christianity, the Papacy and it's search and pursuit of Heretics etc.. from around 600CE to the present.

The death toll estimates run from just below 50 million, to as high as 120 million. Accurate records weren't kept during those centuries as far as population etc...

50 million, to as high as 120 million Protestants, Heretics, Pagans, "savages" and others. Dead.

In the name of spreading and enforcing the "real" Christian religion.

It's compiled by a Christian, and references Christian writings and estimates of the time periods - that range from the 600CE-1850's.

The info is hosted on a Christian site, "NOISE OF THUNDER RADIO SHOW". http://www.noiseofthunder.com/about/

Authenticated correspondence to various Popes, from his "commanders", "representatives", and others, and their reports of the progress they were making, are included.

An example:

As an illustration of the attitude of the Catholic Church towards the Protestants in Bohemia, Robbins [Ecclesiastical Megalomania, The Trinity Foundation, 1999, p. 134] writes “Two centuries after Thomas, Martin V (1417-1431) ordered the King of Poland to exterminate the Hussites. The Pope wrote to the King:

"Know that the interests of the Holy See, and those of your crown, make it a duty to exterminate the Hussites. Remember that these impious persons dare proclaim principles of equality; they maintain that all Christians are brethren and that God has not given to privileged men the right of ruling the nations; they hold that Christ came on Earth to abolish slavery; they call the people to liberty, that is to the annihilation of kings and priests. While there is still time, then, turn your forces against Bohemia; burn, massacre, make deserts everywhere, for nothing could be more agreeable to God, or more useful to the cause of kings, than the extermination of the Hussites.

"In Bohemia, by 1600, in a population of 4,000,000, 80 per cent were Protestant. When the Hapsburgs and Jesuits had done their work, 800,000 were left, all Catholics."

Another excerpt.

"During its rise to power, the Papacy also essentially exterminated the Heruli shortly after 493 A.D., the Vandals soon after 533 A.D., and the Ostrogoths in 554 A.D, all of whom were asserted to hold to the Arian belief. However, Limborch (The History of the Inquisition, p. 95) doubts that Arius held the views attributed to him. Concerning the Vandals, Bunch writes:

“It is reckoned that during the reign of Justinian, Africa lost five millions of inhabitants; thus Arianism was extinguished in that region, not by any enforcement of conformity, but by the extermination of the race which had introduced and professed it.”– History of the Christian Church, J.C. Robertson, Vol. 1, p. 521.

Again, the estimates run from just below 50 million, to as high as 120 million.

The mind of a madman doesn't work like the mind of a sane person or people.

It's much easier to say that despots exist in any society, and are not exclusive to any one group of people, nor, does being a part of a particular group of people exclude them from doing heinous things to other people.

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