Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#152217 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Primitive?
By what standard?
We are very primitive now, are we not? Is not the notion of being "primitive" subjective and relative?
Very arrogant indeed if you think you are smarter than ancient peoples.
We are smarter than ancient peoples. And more educated. And have infinitely greater access to knowledge. And have superior reporting. And have more free time.

~90% of the people in Palestine couldn't even read. They had no little knowledge of math and virtually no science. They knew what they needed to know to survive, like farming and maybe a trade skill.

Jesus' time was an era of superstition and credulity.

Do you think Romans praying to Ceres were doing scientific analysis on the affects of prayer at her temple to crop growth? No. They prayed, they got some crops, they thanked her.

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#152218 Feb 7, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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So, is it true then that you would assert that everyone that supported Christianity in its earliest days are liars and frauds?
Or delusional, or credulous, or mistaken.

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#152219 Feb 7, 2013
Speaking of scumbags and viruses, out of the 18 years or so I have been on the net, I have had only one virus.

I was cruising the net for a particular song. Found it and downloaded it. However, the title was inordinately long. So long you couldn't see the file type at the end. I downloaded it and clicked to play only to discover it was an exe with a virus. It was a gospel song.

The lure of free money or free what we want makes suckers of us all.

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#152220 Feb 7, 2013
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The apostles, silly, and everyone that witnessed the event, and later put it down to paper, and wrote about it. What exactly do you think the New Testament is? It's a collection of historical records, of course.
The Gospels are legends made to lay down a religion. They're no more historical than the accounts of Muhammad talking to Allah or Joseph Smith meeting an angel or Buddha achieving Nirvana.
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No witnesses, no people that saw Jesus and witnessed His Resurrection, no Christianity.
Completely untrue. People believe ridiculous things without evidence all the time. You don't apply this standard to any other religion.

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#152221 Feb 7, 2013
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We are smarter than ancient peoples. And more educated. And have infinitely greater access to knowledge. And have superior reporting. And have more free time.
~90% of the people in Palestine couldn't even read. They had no little knowledge of math and virtually no science. They knew what they needed to know to survive, like farming and maybe a trade skill.
Jesus' time was an era of superstition and credulity.
Do you think Romans praying to Ceres were doing scientific analysis on the affects of prayer at her temple to crop growth? No. They prayed, they got some crops, they thanked her.
You are FOS.

The Second Temple was quite an engineering feat. The Romans, who are quite famous for their engineering skills, had a helluva time dismantling it.

BTW, it was really just a big slaughterhouse and meat market.

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#152222 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Speaking of scumbags and viruses, out of the 18 years or so I have been on the net, I have had only one virus.
I was cruising the net for a particular song. Found it and downloaded it. However, the title was inordinately long. So long you couldn't see the file type at the end. I downloaded it and clicked to play only to discover it was an exe with a virus. It was a gospel song.
The lure of free money or free what we want makes suckers of us all.
a virus was spread to a person who simply wanted a song about a virus.

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#152223 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are FOS.
The Second Temple was quite an engineering feat. The Romans, who are quite famous for their engineering skills, had a helluva time dismantling it.
BTW, it was really just a big slaughterhouse and meat market.
cool, they moved some earth. Did the make an MRI machine or a car...nope.

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#152224 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are FOS.
The Second Temple was quite an engineering feat. The Romans, who are quite famous for their engineering skills, had a helluva time dismantling it.
BTW, it was really just a big slaughterhouse and meat market.
Having building skills does not indicate a scientific or skeptical mindset.

The Egyptian and Mesoamerican pyramids are more impressive than the Second Temple and I don't hear that being used as support for their religions' validity.

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#152225 Feb 7, 2013
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cool, they moved some earth. Did the make an MRI machine or a car...nope.
You are FOS II.

Big rocks, not just earth.

Look up Baalbek.

Those megalithic buildings were more than just buildings. They produced something that kept people spending extraordinary amounts of money, materials, and labor to construct them over long periods of time. They were not casual endeavors.
Adam

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#152226 Feb 7, 2013
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The Gospels are legends made to lay down a religion. They're no more historical than the accounts of Muhammad talking to Allah or Joseph Smith meeting an angel or Buddha achieving Nirvana.
+1, nicely put

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#152227 Feb 7, 2013
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Having building skills does not indicate a scientific or skeptical mindset.
The Egyptian and Mesoamerican pyramids are more impressive than the Second Temple and I don't hear that being used as support for their religions' validity.
A simple mind such as yours would see such structures as symbolic. Even though they were very expensive.

You are incapable of seeing them as vehicles or conduits for energy flows. The "priests" did. They were the "scientific" minds of the time.
Thinking

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#152228 Feb 7, 2013
But I some in this building where parents force their kids to go. I think it was called a church or something? Definitely shouldn't show that sick sh!t to children.
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It would warp them and lead to hatred of others. I would never allow that filth to be shown to children.
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Thinking

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#152229 Feb 7, 2013
But I *saw* some in this building where parents force their kids to go. I think it was called a church or something? Definitely shouldn't show that sick sh!t to children.

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#152230 Feb 7, 2013
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A simple mind such as yours would see such structures as symbolic. Even though they were very expensive.
You are incapable of seeing them as vehicles or conduits for energy flows. The "priests" did. They were the "scientific" minds of the time.
Conduits for energy flows? Please explain.

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#152231 Feb 7, 2013
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Conduits for energy flows? Please explain.
I've been through it on the PTAG and this forum before.

Channeling telluric currents. Not to power a damned video game, but to supply energy for growth. Basically EM that carries charge providing a catalyst for energy transfers.

The concept started in the ground and later out to the stars. Your Big Bang is a derivative.

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#152232 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I've been through it on the PTAG and this forum before.
Channeling telluric currents. Not to power a damned video game, but to supply energy for growth. Basically EM that carries charge providing a catalyst for energy transfers.
The concept started in the ground and later out to the stars. Your Big Bang is a derivative.
How do monuments channel telluric current and for what use? You can use the Great Pyramid as an example.

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#152233 Feb 7, 2013
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How do monuments channel telluric current and for what use? You can use the Great Pyramid as an example.
The same way you do with wires and semiconductors. Mass, gravity, and charge. It's macroelectronics, if you will.

The Great Pyramid, as the other pyramids, is a reverse, though. They were designed as a return to the sun and heavens. They drain charge buildups. One reason they buried Pharoahs in them. They become relatively static and timeless.

Again, you refer to them as monuments, something symbolic, not as machines doing a process. You are a machine doing a process.

“Think&Care”

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#152234 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I've been through it on the PTAG and this forum before.
Channeling telluric currents. Not to power a damned video game, but to supply energy for growth. Basically EM that carries charge providing a catalyst for energy transfers.
The concept started in the ground and later out to the stars. Your Big Bang is a derivative.
LMAO! Telluric currents? Seriously?

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#152235 Feb 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The same way you do with wires and semiconductors. Mass, gravity, and charge. It's macroelectronics, if you will.
The Great Pyramid, as the other pyramids, is a reverse, though. They were designed as a return to the sun and heavens. They drain charge buildups. One reason they buried Pharoahs in them. They become relatively static and timeless.
Again, you refer to them as monuments, something symbolic, not as machines doing a process. You are a machine doing a process.
You're going to need to show me both that they had knowledge of this process and that the process actually does anything relevant.

This sounds like psuedoscience of the highest order. I'd appreciate any scholarly link on this topic.

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#152236 Feb 7, 2013
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LMAO! Telluric currents? Seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current

These are not lightweight energies. Let's say they are much more powerful than the batteries that power your laptop.

Your simple mindedness blinds you to the realities of what happens on this earth.

Pass a current through a wire, OR a semiconductor. A magnetic field is induced more or less equally around it. This field is force. The center of the field will react to the forces surrounding it. This is why electric motors work. This interaction is passed and reverberates all through the earth and space.

Run a wire a distance above the ground. Pump some juice in it. The magnetic field skyward encounters less resistance within a fixed distance. Underneath it encounters greater resistance. Sideways it varies.

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