Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#151804 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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But let us consider your belief system.
Man is born an animal and has no purpose, not destiny and no hope.
And you think the promise of rescue from this world and eternal life is a negative?
Wow...
atheism is NOT belief its a LACK of belief in gods

humans ARE animals yes,and we make our own purpose.

living forever and doing the same thing over and over would indeed be a totaly useless existence kinda like a mindless robot ..LOL
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#151805 Feb 4, 2013
bohart wrote:
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You tell him, don't expect to breech the wall of his denial though.
PROJECTION..look it up...

there is empirical evidence otherwise we wouldnt be here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#151806 Feb 4, 2013
Abiogenesis (/&#716;e&#618;ba& #618;.&#629;&#712;d &#658;&#603;n&#616 ;s&#618;s/ ay-by-oh-jen-&#601;-siss[1 ]) or biopoiesis is the process by which life arises from inorganic matter.[2][3][4][5] The word is usually used to describe the processes by which life on Earth originated. The earliest known life existed between 3.9 and 3.5 billion years ago, during the Eoarchean Era when sufficient crust had solidified following the molten Hadean Eon.
Scientific hypotheses about the origins of life may be divided into several categories. Most approaches investigate how self-replicating molecules or their components came into existence. For example, the Miller–Urey experiment and similar experiments demonstrated that most amino acids, often called "the building blocks of life", can be racemically synthesized in conditions thought to be similar to those of the early Earth. Several mechanisms have been investigated, including lightning and radiation. Other approaches ("metabolism first" hypotheses) focus on understanding how catalysis in chemical systems in the early Earth might have provided the precursor molecules necessary for self-replication.

Since: Apr 09

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#151807 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How can a chemical fizz have destiny or purpose?
How can you account for that as an atheist.
I can account for that for you.
You were created with the opportunity to live eternally with a loving God, that adores you.
That is where your sense of hope and purpose comes from.
But your sinful desire to suppress the truth of God, keeps you from your destiny and purpose.
So you then create a false sense of destiny and purpose that has no basis in reality and is shallow in form, to make up for the true destiny and purpose you have the opportunity to grasp.
If you turn back to God and acknowledge Him, He will correct that for you, and show you the true depth and value that you really have to Him.
Thanks, sunshine, but I don't need an imaginary being to create my destiny, find my purpose, or define my self worth.

How sad for you that you do....

Since: Apr 09

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#151808 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
And atheists have this one thing in common.
They seek to suppress the truth of God, so that they can continue being subject to their sinful nature.
And they believe that that foolish shared suppression is somehow related to scientific endeavor and logic...
The only thing atheists have in common with one another is a lack of belief in a god.

Not your god - any god.

How egotistical of you...

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#151809 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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God is the source of those absolutes, I have made that abundantly clear.
But how can you as an atheist make absolute claims like you have done here?
You can only do that by denying atheism.
You realise that you have done that here, right?
so you have your morality from nothing (have to remember never turn my back to a christian)

god = nothing

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#151810 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How does that help you account for absolute laws of morality?
there is no absolute law of morality

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#151811 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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There is no such thing as sin?
Really?
yeah really!

Since: Apr 09

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#151812 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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There is no empirical evidence for abiogenesis.
None.
All there is, is a philosophical suppression of the truth, that requires fairy tales to be accepted.
And a faith in that fairy tale.
You have self deceived faith that a "rockdidit", nothing else.
And the only reason you have that, is becuse your sinful nature seeks to deny the Creator of the universe and His claims on your person.
There is no empirical evidence for any god's existence.
None.
All there is, is a philosophical suppression of the truth, that requires fairy tales to be accepted.
And a faith in that fairy tale.
You have self deceived faith that a "goddidit", nothing else.
And the only reason you have that, is because your fearful nature seeks to deny that you are the master of your own life. It seems to be a responsibility that you are too afraid to bear.
Atheist Silurist

Portadown, UK

#151813 Feb 4, 2013
I'm starting to think there may be a god,but a god that protects the paedophiles and pederasts of the catholic church.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/02/01/los-a...

The cardinal of the largest Roman Catholic archdiocese in the United States was stripped of his duties in an unprecedented move by his successor, who described the church’s actions during the growing sex abuse scandal as evil.

Cardinal Roger Mahony had retired with a tainted career after dodging criminal charges over how he handled pedophile priests.

Gomez said Mahony, 76, would no longer have administrative or public duties in the diocese. It didn’t appear that Gomez’s actions would affect Mahony’s position in Rome, where he can remain for another four years on a counsel that selects the Pope.

So he is 76 and being relived of his duties? So they are retiring him?

Why isn't the filthy bastard in jail?

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#151814 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
And atheists have this one thing in common.
They seek to suppress the truth of God, so that they can continue being subject to their sinful nature.
And they believe that that foolish shared suppression is somehow related to scientific endeavor and logic...
did you learn that from your pastor?
Imhotep

United States

#151815 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So secular atheism is not aggressive, doesn't try to indoctrinate belief systems in schools and get those beliefs legislated by congress.
Such beliefs as:
Evolution
Abiogenesis
Naturalism
Homosexuality
Child Sacrifice.
But putting that obvious discrepancy aside.
Why are you so concerned with sharing the idea that you hold an absolute moral position (secularism being superior), when you do not believe in absolute moral positions?
The Bible God endorsed slavery.
That's a fact according to the Bible.
The Bible God gave instructions on how his chosen people should wage war against their various neighbors:

Deut 20:10-11
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries (forced laborers) unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

Notice that if the people of the attacked city accept the "offer of peace" they will become slaves of God's chosen people. Forced labor is slavery.

Deut 20:12-16
And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

Christian apologists go to great lengths to downplay and justify the mass killing and enslavement.
Imhotep

United States

#151816 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
And atheists have this one thing in common.
They seek to suppress the truth of God, so that they can continue being subject to their sinful nature.
And they believe that that foolish shared suppression is somehow related to scientific endeavor and logic...
And rabid posters like you possess a unfounded and exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions.

You constantly suspect the motives of others and believe that certain individuals, or atheists in general, are "out to destroy my faith".

You offer no cohesion of thought.
No opposing documented view.

GODDIDIT is all you have... One book, multiple authors, contradictions galore.

Consider prayer!
If it works we might all convert.

Hmm not me, I need a burning bush (not GW!) in my yard with a few stone tablets.

Since: Feb 13

Riverside , CA

#151817 Feb 4, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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911 attack was based on religious extremist. You got one out of a hundred.
Iraq war depending which one you are referring too started when Iraq invaded Kuwaiti. Saddam needed the cash flow from Kuwaiti oil to pay for his expenses during the Iran Iraq war. It wasn’t a religious war.
This dialog between us has given me a pretty good idea that you are one of those atheist that will say anything and claim it as the truth. My friend you lack facts, history, and credibility.
Actuality no i check all my facts, and if i am wrong i will admit it, its just your bias/religion that wont allow you to see the truth. And BTW there have been wars for thousands of years not just the couple hundred years you posted and though out those thousands of years the majority where religious wars ...

But really Atheism is more then this. Lets just put it this way, to be religious (any religion) you first have to be taught that religion. But to be an Atheist you dont have to be taught anything at all, its just a natural state of mind and the way we are all born ...

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

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#151818 Feb 4, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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there is no absolute law of morality
Ahem....Golden Rule. It's like the Hippocratic Oath; do no harm, intentionally.

“Get it right”

Since: Nov 10

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#151819 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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There is no empirical evidence for any god's existence.
None.
....
Sure there evidence... The universe is evidence...
but of WHAT is the qusetion...
Instead of saying there is no evidence, I would say there is no evidence which isn't easily and more logically explained as being somehting other than a God's creation.

Since: Nov 12

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#151820 Feb 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It is absolutely not lies that the evidence supports that life sprang from early Earth , and progressed in evolution to what we see today. There is absolutely no evidence of anything else, It isn't what I wanted to hear, it isn't what I cared to find , It is however exactly how it really is. There is no church of abiogenesis, there is no faith in the science, there is only evidence that shows it to be the way it is. It is not my problem accepting the truth, but it sure appears to be yours.
You athesists are a pack of hypocritical anal retentive clods. You run off at the mouth with certainty about the delusional Christian until you are faced with uncertainty, that is. Lying on your death bed knowing that your life is about to vaporize into nothingness, you will cling to even a thin sliver of hope, whether delusion or not, if it keeps you alive.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151821 Feb 4, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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To promote Abrahamic religious tradition and family values?
Don't forget, in the myth, Adam & Eve began it all, and then the Yahweh! decided it was time for a do over with relatives - again - after the flood.
That's a fantastic myth you've got there.
Is it ego that allows you to pretend its a myth?

Or is it lack of intelligence?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151822 Feb 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
So you prefer not knowing what people really think or would really do in a given situation then trusting them.
Detail exactly what benefit you have when conversing "in person" over that of online.
It doesn't take a month to get out a 3 minute conversation...

You can hear inflections in their voice & see their body language. With this online crap, you don't even know what they look like.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151823 Feb 4, 2013
trekx wrote:
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From my history book ...
Serbians who were mistreated by the Austrian Government who enforced higher taxes to pay for churches. So Austria invaded Serbia angering other countries which turned into everyone picking sides and fighting each other. So technically religion was a root cause of World War 1. And World War 2 was also mainly caused by religion. Primarily Catholicism cause these wars.
Just like most wars, World War 1 was started by religion.
Plus there are many other country's that have wars that dont involve America that are mostly religious ....
WWI was about territory, not religion. The most immediate cause for the war was tensions over territory in the Balkans.

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