Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.

Also, how does sin infect the system?

Can one detect it and by what means?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Just Think wrote:
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You are insane.
As an atheist, how can you account for sanity?

After all, two chemical accidents fizzing differently are just two different chemical accidents fizzing differently.

How then does your fizz decide my fizz is not fizzing right?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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The laws of logic are human creations, yes. They are based on reality, which is not a product of humans.
So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?

The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?

Is that what you are claiming?

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#151723
Feb 4, 2013
 
Rephrase:

The idea that the chair cannot be and can be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, breaks the law of non-contradiction, is a human invention?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
That isn't a moral position at all.
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Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.
You cannot.
You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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Feb 4, 2013
 
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
Oh please, are you serious?

That web is an extremist atheist site that is full of bias and misinformation.

That sight will say anything and you believe them?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
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Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.
You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.
No it is not a scientific theory.

It is a philosophical position that is appealed to as a basis for rejecting the fact of Creation.

And once again, I do not reject "science", but true science has to be subject to the laws of logic, mathematics and uniformity that are transcendent and originate in God.

I reject science falsely so called.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.
If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.

I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Sin is the virus.

The proof of that is that atheists sin...

Ever considered that?

You want to blame religion of sin, yet you sin and deny all religion.

How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?

“In the beginning God Created..”

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Just Think wrote:
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Atheism under the ideology of communism is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

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Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.
Also, how does sin infect the system?
Can one detect it and by what means?
Very easy.

Certain transcendental laws are known by man and used by man.

Those laws however clearly point to the Creator.

So the sinner, who wants to be selfish and live in sin, denies those laws when confronted with their implications.

But then appeals to them unconsciously and constantly.

When seen and pointed out, they drop all knowledge of those laws like a child dropping the stolen cookie.

Hence, proving the point...

Your behaviour is simple proof of sin and how it works on the human mind...

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mtimber wrote:
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So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?
The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?
Is that what you are claiming?
In the sense that the law is a description of reality, yes. The reality is not a human invention; the description is.

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The_Box wrote:
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That isn't a moral position at all.
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You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.
Until you can account for your own position on morality, you have no basis to discuss the issue.

What is your position?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
And why are you hiding it?

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The_Box wrote:
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If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.
I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.
I have provided the basis for absolute morality as a Christian.

Yet you have failed to do so.

Why is that?

Why don't you have the courage to put your own worldview on trial?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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No it is not a scientific theory.
How so?
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And once again, I do not reject "science", but true science has to be subject to the laws of logic, mathematics and uniformity that are transcendent and originate in God.
No, no, no. You don't care about methodology or what laws of logic or math science appeals to. Your complaints are based on RESULTS. You don't like the findings, so you reject the science.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Oh...
...So "Wet Rocks Did It".
We have a new theory for the birth of evolutionary life.
wetrocksdidit
You might want to test that theology empirically before telling others they are ignorant because they refuse to accept that by faith...
are you related to Retarded Redneck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Sin is the virus.
The proof of that is that atheists sin...
Ever considered that?
You want to blame religion of sin, yet you sin and deny all religion.
How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?
SIN is Self Induced Nonsense,,grow up kid

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The_Box wrote:
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How so?
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No, no, no. You don't care about methodology or what laws of logic or math science appeals to. Your complaints are based on RESULTS. You don't like the findings, so you reject the science.
Not at all.

God is the First Cause.

All of science must therefore logically be subject to Him.

God first.

Science second.

Logical.

Now about this absolute morality you cannot account for, and seem reluctant to try to account for?
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christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
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Oh please, are you serious?
That web is an extremist atheist site that is full of bias and misinformation.
That sight will say anything and you believe them?
TRUTH hurts dont it duckyboy12 ...LOL

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