Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#151707 Feb 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>A POSITIVE claim that needs to be supported with verifiable evidence.....ready...set....GO !!
An Idiotic idea that is supported by 99% of the worlds scientists. An idiotic idea that is factual as far as mainstream science is concerned. An idiotic idea that is in Fact, FACTUAL. An idiotic idea that had in 2009 135,000 articles published in reputable scientific journals and periodicals in full support of the FACTS of evolution, and nowhere in sight was there ANY articles published to refute any of there facts, why is that?
Filling children's mind's with scientifically accurate and supportive information is hardly viewed a polluting, except by those so blinded and brainwashed by their religion that these facts are simply ignored. Willful ignorance is a terrible trait.
Filling the child's mind with fear and visions of torture would be more on the lines of polluting. To fill there heads with the false knowledge that a celestial dictator has the ability to peer into their most private thoughts and convict them of thought crimes, is polluting. To tell them they are sinners and condemned to eternal torture unless they spend their lives trying to become well after being born sick, is child abuse plain and simple. Anyone that supports filling the innocent mind with visions of terror and torture deserves that same fate as any other child abuser. Shame on you or anyone else subjecting an innocent child to these unfounded horrors. Horror is the name of religion is still HORROR!!!!!!!!!!
99% believe in undesigned abiogenetic origin?

Have something to back that up? A link to a source, maybe?

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#151708 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.
If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
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For example?
Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
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Because it makes your supposedly perfect moral system a failure.
Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.

You cannot.

You can only argue based on the transcendent laws that you inherently know.

These laws and the knowledge of them, you have to suppress however, as it reveals Gods signature in your very soul.

Which explains the contradictory moral arguments atheists are always making...

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#151709 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I have no problem with science, as all true science can only be performed and accounted for when reliance on God's transcendent laws are adhered to.
But evolution isn't science and never has been.
Its sole purpose is to suppress the truth of Creation.
You are insane.

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#151710 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
You claim to have "all knowledge" now?

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#151711 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Intellect is based on the use of logic.
So you think logic is the product of brains?
Are you sure you want to take that position?
The laws of logic are human creations, yes. They are based on reality, which is not a product of humans.

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#151712 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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One doesn't.
The all powerful God does...
How?

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#151713 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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I'm starting to think you work for a certain vodka maker...
I fail to see how this comment accounts for the absolute morality you keep appealing to as an atheist?

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#151714 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Not true.
I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
That's a good little lemming...

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#151715 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Not true.
I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.

You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.

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#151716 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.

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#151717 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
My post didn't appeal to any morality. It simply showed that YOURS is self-contradictory.
When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.

Now if you were a Christian, I could understand how you might want to reconcile that.

But as you are an atheist and you cannot account or appeal to absolute moral standards from within your own worldview, I must admit I am a little surprised that you would want to do so.

Unless of course you are indeed aware of God, through those transcendent laws He has placed within you, but you don't want to admit it as that would mean accountability to Him...

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#151718 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Then you must have lost your faith in your god because your logic skills are abysmal..
Please account for the transcendent universal absolute laws of logic as an atheist.

If you cannot, then you should not be casting stones at others.

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#151719 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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see you know NOTHING about evolution bc bible made you Ignorant
life began in water
Google Abiogenesis
Oh...

...So "Wet Rocks Did It".

We have a new theory for the birth of evolutionary life.

wetrocksdidit

You might want to test that theology empirically before telling others they are ignorant because they refuse to accept that by faith...

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#151720 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.

Also, how does sin infect the system?

Can one detect it and by what means?

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#151721 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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You are insane.
As an atheist, how can you account for sanity?

After all, two chemical accidents fizzing differently are just two different chemical accidents fizzing differently.

How then does your fizz decide my fizz is not fizzing right?

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#151722 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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The laws of logic are human creations, yes. They are based on reality, which is not a product of humans.
So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?

The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?

Is that what you are claiming?

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#151723 Feb 4, 2013
Rephrase:

The idea that the chair cannot be and can be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, breaks the law of non-contradiction, is a human invention?

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#151724 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
That isn't a moral position at all.
mtimber wrote:
Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.
You cannot.
You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151725 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
Oh please, are you serious?

That web is an extremist atheist site that is full of bias and misinformation.

That sight will say anything and you believe them?

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#151726 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.
You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.
No it is not a scientific theory.

It is a philosophical position that is appealed to as a basis for rejecting the fact of Creation.

And once again, I do not reject "science", but true science has to be subject to the laws of logic, mathematics and uniformity that are transcendent and originate in God.

I reject science falsely so called.

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