Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
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mtimber wrote:
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Without God you cannot account for logic.
Using logic reveals your need of relying upon Him, whilst suppressing the truth of Him and His relationship to you as your Creator.
which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko

your god doesnt exist,get used to it

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Just Think wrote:
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Nice dodge, bro.
Thanks for admitting that there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.
You didn't address the point.

Do you accept that "absolute truth" exists?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
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You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.
If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
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For example?
Think of a computer with an operating system.

Now introduce a virus.

The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.

Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.

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Feb 4, 2013
 

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mtimber wrote:
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And if it were true, which it patently is not...
...Why would you as an atheist feel the need to make an absolute moral judgement invoking absolute moral standards and absolute authority in your statement?
How do you account for your absolutism?
I'm starting to think you work for a certain vodka maker...

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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I reject your arbitrary claims of rape being approved in the Bible by the way.
How is my claim 'arbitrary'?

In the Bible, a woman's consent is not required for marriage, and once marriage occurs, a woman is her husband's property for the purposes of sexual intercourse. The Israelites are explicitly told that they may take brides from among captives in war.

YOU would regard this as rape.
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As to the issue of slavery, we could of course have a bible study if you were a Christian, but as you have no real interest in the issue other than as an excuse to reject your Creator, I see little point in discussing the matter.
You don't want to discuss it because it's a big problem for you. The Bible condones slavery.
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But I am curious how you appeal to absolute morality when you reject consensus as the basis.
Is it your own arbitrary opinion you base absolute morality on?
My post didn't appeal to any morality. It simply showed that YOURS is self-contradictory.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Without God you cannot account for logic.
Using logic reveals your need of relying upon Him, whilst suppressing the truth of Him and His relationship to you as your Creator.
Then you must have lost your faith in your god because your logic skills are abysmal..
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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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The material was indeed the earth.
But it didn't just decide to become intelligent one day, as taught in evolutionary fables.
see you know NOTHING about evolution bc bible made you Ignorant

life began in water

Google Abiogenesis

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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<quoted text>A POSITIVE claim that needs to be supported with verifiable evidence.....ready...set....GO !!
An Idiotic idea that is supported by 99% of the worlds scientists. An idiotic idea that is factual as far as mainstream science is concerned. An idiotic idea that is in Fact, FACTUAL. An idiotic idea that had in 2009 135,000 articles published in reputable scientific journals and periodicals in full support of the FACTS of evolution, and nowhere in sight was there ANY articles published to refute any of there facts, why is that?
Filling children's mind's with scientifically accurate and supportive information is hardly viewed a polluting, except by those so blinded and brainwashed by their religion that these facts are simply ignored. Willful ignorance is a terrible trait.
Filling the child's mind with fear and visions of torture would be more on the lines of polluting. To fill there heads with the false knowledge that a celestial dictator has the ability to peer into their most private thoughts and convict them of thought crimes, is polluting. To tell them they are sinners and condemned to eternal torture unless they spend their lives trying to become well after being born sick, is child abuse plain and simple. Anyone that supports filling the innocent mind with visions of terror and torture deserves that same fate as any other child abuser. Shame on you or anyone else subjecting an innocent child to these unfounded horrors. Horror is the name of religion is still HORROR!!!!!!!!!!
99% believe in undesigned abiogenetic origin?

Have something to back that up? A link to a source, maybe?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
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You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.
If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
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For example?
Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
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Because it makes your supposedly perfect moral system a failure.
Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.

You cannot.

You can only argue based on the transcendent laws that you inherently know.

These laws and the knowledge of them, you have to suppress however, as it reveals Gods signature in your very soul.

Which explains the contradictory moral arguments atheists are always making...

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mtimber wrote:
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I have no problem with science, as all true science can only be performed and accounted for when reliance on God's transcendent laws are adhered to.
But evolution isn't science and never has been.
Its sole purpose is to suppress the truth of Creation.
You are insane.

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christianity is EVIL wrote:
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
You claim to have "all knowledge" now?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Intellect is based on the use of logic.
So you think logic is the product of brains?
Are you sure you want to take that position?
The laws of logic are human creations, yes. They are based on reality, which is not a product of humans.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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One doesn't.
The all powerful God does...
How?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Just Think wrote:
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I'm starting to think you work for a certain vodka maker...
I fail to see how this comment accounts for the absolute morality you keep appealing to as an atheist?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
mtimber wrote:
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Not true.
I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
That's a good little lemming...

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mtimber wrote:
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Not true.
I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.

You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.

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mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
The_Box wrote:
My post didn't appeal to any morality. It simply showed that YOURS is self-contradictory.
When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.

Now if you were a Christian, I could understand how you might want to reconcile that.

But as you are an atheist and you cannot account or appeal to absolute moral standards from within your own worldview, I must admit I am a little surprised that you would want to do so.

Unless of course you are indeed aware of God, through those transcendent laws He has placed within you, but you don't want to admit it as that would mean accountability to Him...

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Just Think wrote:
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Then you must have lost your faith in your god because your logic skills are abysmal..
Please account for the transcendent universal absolute laws of logic as an atheist.

If you cannot, then you should not be casting stones at others.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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see you know NOTHING about evolution bc bible made you Ignorant
life began in water
Google Abiogenesis
Oh...

...So "Wet Rocks Did It".

We have a new theory for the birth of evolutionary life.

wetrocksdidit

You might want to test that theology empirically before telling others they are ignorant because they refuse to accept that by faith...

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