Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#151715 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Not true.
I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.

You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.

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#151716 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.

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#151717 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
My post didn't appeal to any morality. It simply showed that YOURS is self-contradictory.
When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.

Now if you were a Christian, I could understand how you might want to reconcile that.

But as you are an atheist and you cannot account or appeal to absolute moral standards from within your own worldview, I must admit I am a little surprised that you would want to do so.

Unless of course you are indeed aware of God, through those transcendent laws He has placed within you, but you don't want to admit it as that would mean accountability to Him...

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#151718 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Then you must have lost your faith in your god because your logic skills are abysmal..
Please account for the transcendent universal absolute laws of logic as an atheist.

If you cannot, then you should not be casting stones at others.

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#151719 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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see you know NOTHING about evolution bc bible made you Ignorant
life began in water
Google Abiogenesis
Oh...

...So "Wet Rocks Did It".

We have a new theory for the birth of evolutionary life.

wetrocksdidit

You might want to test that theology empirically before telling others they are ignorant because they refuse to accept that by faith...

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#151720 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Think of a computer with an operating system.
Now introduce a virus.
The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.
Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.
Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.

Also, how does sin infect the system?

Can one detect it and by what means?

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#151721 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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You are insane.
As an atheist, how can you account for sanity?

After all, two chemical accidents fizzing differently are just two different chemical accidents fizzing differently.

How then does your fizz decide my fizz is not fizzing right?

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#151722 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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The laws of logic are human creations, yes. They are based on reality, which is not a product of humans.
So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?

The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?

Is that what you are claiming?

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#151723 Feb 4, 2013
Rephrase:

The idea that the chair cannot be and can be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, breaks the law of non-contradiction, is a human invention?

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#151724 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
That isn't a moral position at all.
mtimber wrote:
Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.
You cannot.
You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151725 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
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which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko
your god doesnt exist,get used to it
Oh please, are you serious?

That web is an extremist atheist site that is full of bias and misinformation.

That sight will say anything and you believe them?

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#151726 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Evolution is not a philosophical notion; it is a scientific theory.
You have not established any 'truth of God'. You merely have your own personal beliefs, which you favor over science.
No it is not a scientific theory.

It is a philosophical position that is appealed to as a basis for rejecting the fact of Creation.

And once again, I do not reject "science", but true science has to be subject to the laws of logic, mathematics and uniformity that are transcendent and originate in God.

I reject science falsely so called.

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#151727 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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When you condemn the morality in the scripture, then you are appealing to an absolute standard of morality to make that condemnation.
If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.

I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.

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#151728 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Sin is the virus.

The proof of that is that atheists sin...

Ever considered that?

You want to blame religion of sin, yet you sin and deny all religion.

How do you explain that inconsistency in your argument?

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151729 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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...yes, religion is like a virus that has harmed mankind for ages.
Atheism under the ideology of communism is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

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#151730 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Please explain how the mechanism of 'sin' works on the human brain.
Also, how does sin infect the system?
Can one detect it and by what means?
Very easy.

Certain transcendental laws are known by man and used by man.

Those laws however clearly point to the Creator.

So the sinner, who wants to be selfish and live in sin, denies those laws when confronted with their implications.

But then appeals to them unconsciously and constantly.

When seen and pointed out, they drop all knowledge of those laws like a child dropping the stolen cookie.

Hence, proving the point...

Your behaviour is simple proof of sin and how it works on the human mind...

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#151731 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So the law of non-contradiction is a human invention?
The idea that the chair can be and cannot be in the same place at the same time in the same sense, is a human invention?
Is that what you are claiming?
In the sense that the law is a description of reality, yes. The reality is not a human invention; the description is.

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#151732 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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That isn't a moral position at all.
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You hold that your moral system is perfect, without contradiction. I provided you with contradictions. So, it fails.
Until you can account for your own position on morality, you have no basis to discuss the issue.

What is your position?

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#151733 Feb 4, 2013
And why are you hiding it?

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#151734 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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If my argument were that slavery is evil and the Bible support slavery, you'd be correct. But that is not what I'm arguing.
I am arguing that YOU think slavery is evil and YOU think the Bible is perfectly good, so the Bible condoning, rather than condemning slavery, is a big, big problem for you.
I have provided the basis for absolute morality as a Christian.

Yet you have failed to do so.

Why is that?

Why don't you have the courage to put your own worldview on trial?

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