Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken
"Obviously I'd like to show more respect to people's sincerely held beliefs, of course I would. But unfortunately that would violate my own sincerely held belief that religion is a filthy lie and a threat to civilization, so you can see the problem I've got with that." -Pat Condell

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
David was guilty of conspiracy, murdering a career military officer so he could have his wife, lying, deception, adultery. Yet God forgave him.

Jeffery Dahmer was an evil atheist of the worst sort. God gave him his right mind and forgave him.
Nobody can forgive somebody for the offenses that they committed against another person. People who seek forgiveness from a god are really just forgiving themselves.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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Imhotep wrote:
The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.--Deuteronomy 28:22
Nice
Ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.--Ezekiel 39:19
Nice?
Sick, disgusting , you should be ashamed.
Here are a few more for your collection:

[1] "Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." - Ezekiel 23:19-20

[2] "His breasts are full of milk." - Job 21:24

[3] "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." - Deuteronomy 25:11-12

[4]“And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight." - Ezekiel 4:12

[5]“The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers.”- Ezekiel 5:10

[6]“As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.”- Proverbs 26:11

[7]“Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.”- Mal.2:3

[8]“But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning.”- Judges 19:25

[9] "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." - Kings 2:23-24

[10]“But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?”- 2 Kings 18:27

[11]”Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”– Hosea 13:15

[12]“Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father”- Genesis 19:32

[13] "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." -“Leviticus 26:29

[14]“Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm.”= Isaiah 9:19-20

[15] "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." – Judges 19:24-25

[16] "So we boiled my son, and ate him. And on the next day I said to her,`Give your son, that we may eat him.' but she has hidden her son" (2 Kings 6:28-29)

[17]“The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods (hemorrhoids), and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.”– Deuteronomy 28:27

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Taking scripture out of context is what you militant atheist are so notorious for. For example Deuteronomy 28 Verse 1-13 tells the positive and good things God will do for his people if they obey him. Verse 13 - 68 tells what happens if they don’t obey him.
We're militant?

That doesn't seem a little disproportionate to you - 13 verses of "positive and good things" and 56 verses of threats? Pat Condell to the rescue again:

"All three desert dogmas are variations on the same death cult. And they all worship this same god of supposed love and benevolent mercy, which is presumably why they hate each other with such a violent passion. I don't know, you'd have to ask them that.

"Look at the treatment dished out to Adam and Eve, the very first people on the planet. They were punished for being true to their nature, the very nature that God endowed them with. He knew they were curious, he knew they had to be curious to survive, so he knew that they would eat that apple. A cynical person might start to suspect that God only created us in the first place in order to punish us. Because this is the first lesson we learn in Genesis, that being human is a sin.

"We were punished and driven from paradise for the sin of being true to our nature, but we pulled ourselves together and we started on the tower of Babel, because we wanted to get up to Heaven and have a look around. We were being curious, doing what comes naturally, but God didn't like that much either, so he punished us by destroying our language.

"So here we are, we're barely just a few pages into the Bible and already we've taken two massive body blows from our loving and merciful god. Shortly after this he floods the entire planet because somebody must have looked at him the wrong way. He does tip off one person to build a boat, because obviously he doesn't want everyone wiped out, otherwise there'd be nobody left to punish.

"In Deuteronomy 13, according to God, if you hear of a city where another god is worshipped you must kill everybody in that city; men, women, children, babies, even cattle. And then you must burn that city to the ground.

"Oh, and by the way, thou shalt not kill."

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Eagle12 wrote:
It’s about a love story and Hosea buys out of slavery an women he loves named Gomer.
Gomer. That's a beautiful name. The bible has many:

Nimrod
Dorcas
Jehu
Jethro
Gomer
Gad
Ham
Dodo

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Feb 4, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God is not human & can't have superhuman powers.
Period.
God is not natural and can't have supernatural powers. Period.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
LucindaW wrote:
Disadvantages of communicating on the Internet:

2) Hiding behind the anonymity of a computer gives people more courage to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say to someone in person.
This has been a huge advantage for unbelievers. I can express my opinions about the church without having my car keyed or my pets executed.

How do you think the Catholic church lost control of its pedophile problem? Before the Internet, they settled with the boys when they had to, with a gag provision to silence them.

Then came the Internet, and these victims found one another. It became apparent that in many cases, the same priest had molested several boys, the crime covered up, and the priest reassigned to a new and unsuspecting parish. The Internet blew the cover off of that and revealed the magnitude of the problem: the Catholic church is a de facto sex syndicate. It wouldn't have been possible without the anonymity that the Internet offers.

The Internet was probably the last nail in the coffin for Christianity in the West, the first perhaps being the advent of the printing press and literacy among lay people.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
a swirling primordial gooish soup could fart life into being
Yet you believe that your god farted life into being. Who farted your god into being?

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Still waiting for the totalitarian who stated he was killing people in the name of atheism as the Salem witch trials burned people to death in the name of Jesus, with pride may I add. And waiting and waiting and waiting...... Zzzzzzz
There is no reason to believe that if they legalized witch burning again that the Christians wouldn't be setting people on fire again. Here's a good question to ask a Christian who claims that they're over their sadism:

Can you name one society in history where Christians had the power to burn or impale unbelievers with impunity, but elected not to use it? Can you name one instance of Christians saying, "Yes, we could burn people alive that we don't approve of, but we choose not to do it, because that would be barbaric and sadistic"?

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Eagle12 wrote:
I’m not a student of the Salem Witch Trials. I do know about Stalin, Pol Pot and many other murderous communist leaders
That may be why you still think that your church beneficent institution. You probably know very little about its crimes and other abuses.

You're probably also not a student of evolutionary science, but are well versed in the apologetics of creationism and intelligent design.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Mikko wrote:
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George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq
He literally called it a crusade: http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu...

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01Justsayin wrote:
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George Bush is an idiot, and an embarrassment to white people everywhere.
He's a born again christian

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At the end of the day human beings are still just liddle kiddles with a pocketful of the things they found in this life. Emergent consciousnesses.

Makes for some very complicated interactions, sharing what they found, and the fascination they have with them.

I just wish these Topix atheists weren't so fond of piles of shit.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Genesis 19:34
The scripture you list is about a sin that occurred after Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. Lot gets drunk and his stupid daughters participate in incest. Bad things happen when you drink too much. Also bad things happen when you don’t raise your kids in a righteous environment.
God didn’t tell those girls to do that. And neither did Lot. The bible doesn’t hide this sin but reveals how perverted these former inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah
were.
Yet you point this scripture out as if this was something that was sanctioned by God. Man be a straight shooter and stop this misrepresentation. If you have to use these kinds of tactics what does that say about your argument?
I’ll tell you what it says. Your argument is a house of cards.
Your religion is both a house of cards and heaping quantities of smoke and mirrors.

50% of the Bible is pure contradiction.
The problem with dogma slaves is they cannot discern fantasy from reality. They are terrified of death and sooth their primal fear with 'wishfull thinking' in the worship of some God.

For centuries Christians have been making excuses for the sordid content and vainly attempting to white wash the obvious biblical nonsense.

Horus and Mithras myths were recycled by Christians. Study them.

What part of killing children, enslaving humans appeals to you as godlike and worthy of worship?

What did the children of gods wrath do that warranted death? Why slaves?
Punishment to future generations? LOL

GODS are imaginary and you are foolish to defend the indefensible.

Try reading every page of the Bible and stop excusing the inexcusable.

This site will help...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

What true faith wrought...
Tomas De Torquemada... Proud? Feel all fuzzy with God now? Remember, he loves you!

If you are not Catholic, then your religion is a breakaway from the origin if the faith!

http://catholic.christianityinview.com/

The RCC claims exclusive authorship of the Bible, better confirm you have the right version.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php...
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Mikko wrote:
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He's a born again christian
I was born perfect the first time, too bad so many need to be reborn! What was broke? Why the celestial recall?

Please share this insightful Christian knowledge, in person, with any Muslim. They need saving too... Correct?

If there is truly safety on numbers...
Tell that to 6 million Jews

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bohart wrote:
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Spock! you comic uneducated ass , try Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Life springing into existence on its own is impossible, leaving what?
Why because you say it? Hardly evidence that it isn't what happened, just the uneducated ass who hears something it doesn't like to hear.
The evidence clearly shows that life sprang from a set of conditions, and that it is not impossible, but is very probable.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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We're militant?
That doesn't seem a little disproportionate to you - 13 verses of "positive and good things" and 56 verses of threats? Pat Condell to the rescue again:
"All three desert dogmas are variations on the same death cult. And they all worship this same god of supposed love and benevolent mercy, which is presumably why they hate each other with such a violent passion. I don't know, you'd have to ask them that.
"Look at the treatment dished out to Adam and Eve, the very first people on the planet. They were punished for being true to their nature, the very nature that God endowed them with. He knew they were curious, he knew they had to be curious to survive, so he knew that they would eat that apple. A cynical person might start to suspect that God only created us in the first place in order to punish us. Because this is the first lesson we learn in Genesis, that being human is a sin.
" http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php... , so he punished us by destroying our language.
"So here we are, we're barely just a few pages into the Bible and already we've taken two massive body blows from our loving and merciful god. Shortly after this he floods the entire planet because somebody must have looked at him the wrong way. He does tip off one person to build a boat, because obviously he doesn't want everyone wiped out, otherwise there'd be nobody left to punish.
"In Deuteronomy 13, according to God, if you hear of a city where another god is worshipped you must kill everybody in that city; men, women, children, babies, even cattle. And then you must burn that city to the ground.
"Oh, and by the way, thou shalt not kill."
I like Diderot's take!

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"
--Denis Diderot

"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?" - Robert G. Ingersoll

The works if RG Ingersoll... Enjoy

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/ro...
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
I'd rather deploy drones than see our guys get their legs blown off.
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Agreed. But think our leaders should be open about the use of drones, and not appear so secretive about it.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Fair enough.

They should also have the guts to say that islam is an embarrassing pain in the arse.

They should also have the guts to say that Western users create demand for drugs that in turn finances the IEDs used against our soldiers.
Adam wrote:
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Agreed. But think our leaders should be open about the use of drones, and not appear so secretive about it.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ugh
hahAhAA

GOOD rebuttal.

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