Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
Taking scripture out of context is what you militant atheist are so notorious for. For example Deuteronomy 28 Verse 1-13 tells the positive and good things God will do for his people if they obey him. Verse 13 - 68 tells what happens if they donít obey him.
We're militant?

That doesn't seem a little disproportionate to you - 13 verses of "positive and good things" and 56 verses of threats? Pat Condell to the rescue again:

"All three desert dogmas are variations on the same death cult. And they all worship this same god of supposed love and benevolent mercy, which is presumably why they hate each other with such a violent passion. I don't know, you'd have to ask them that.

"Look at the treatment dished out to Adam and Eve, the very first people on the planet. They were punished for being true to their nature, the very nature that God endowed them with. He knew they were curious, he knew they had to be curious to survive, so he knew that they would eat that apple. A cynical person might start to suspect that God only created us in the first place in order to punish us. Because this is the first lesson we learn in Genesis, that being human is a sin.

"We were punished and driven from paradise for the sin of being true to our nature, but we pulled ourselves together and we started on the tower of Babel, because we wanted to get up to Heaven and have a look around. We were being curious, doing what comes naturally, but God didn't like that much either, so he punished us by destroying our language.

"So here we are, we're barely just a few pages into the Bible and already we've taken two massive body blows from our loving and merciful god. Shortly after this he floods the entire planet because somebody must have looked at him the wrong way. He does tip off one person to build a boat, because obviously he doesn't want everyone wiped out, otherwise there'd be nobody left to punish.

"In Deuteronomy 13, according to God, if you hear of a city where another god is worshipped you must kill everybody in that city; men, women, children, babies, even cattle. And then you must burn that city to the ground.

"Oh, and by the way, thou shalt not kill."

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
Itís about a love story and Hosea buys out of slavery an women he loves named Gomer.
Gomer. That's a beautiful name. The bible has many:

Nimrod
Dorcas
Jehu
Jethro
Gomer
Gad
Ham
Dodo

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Feb 4, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God is not human & can't have superhuman powers.
Period.
God is not natural and can't have supernatural powers. Period.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
LucindaW wrote:
Disadvantages of communicating on the Internet:

2) Hiding behind the anonymity of a computer gives people more courage to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say to someone in person.
This has been a huge advantage for unbelievers. I can express my opinions about the church without having my car keyed or my pets executed.

How do you think the Catholic church lost control of its pedophile problem? Before the Internet, they settled with the boys when they had to, with a gag provision to silence them.

Then came the Internet, and these victims found one another. It became apparent that in many cases, the same priest had molested several boys, the crime covered up, and the priest reassigned to a new and unsuspecting parish. The Internet blew the cover off of that and revealed the magnitude of the problem: the Catholic church is a de facto sex syndicate. It wouldn't have been possible without the anonymity that the Internet offers.

The Internet was probably the last nail in the coffin for Christianity in the West, the first perhaps being the advent of the printing press and literacy among lay people.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
bohart wrote:
a swirling primordial gooish soup could fart life into being
Yet you believe that your god farted life into being. Who farted your god into being?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Still waiting for the totalitarian who stated he was killing people in the name of atheism as the Salem witch trials burned people to death in the name of Jesus, with pride may I add. And waiting and waiting and waiting...... Zzzzzzz
There is no reason to believe that if they legalized witch burning again that the Christians wouldn't be setting people on fire again. Here's a good question to ask a Christian who claims that they're over their sadism:

Can you name one society in history where Christians had the power to burn or impale unbelievers with impunity, but elected not to use it? Can you name one instance of Christians saying, "Yes, we could burn people alive that we don't approve of, but we choose not to do it, because that would be barbaric and sadistic"?

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
Iím not a student of the Salem Witch Trials. I do know about Stalin, Pol Pot and many other murderous communist leaders
That may be why you still think that your church beneficent institution. You probably know very little about its crimes and other abuses.

You're probably also not a student of evolutionary science, but are well versed in the apologetics of creationism and intelligent design.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Mikko wrote:
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George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq
He literally called it a crusade: http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu...

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Feb 4, 2013
 
01Justsayin wrote:
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George Bush is an idiot, and an embarrassment to white people everywhere.
He's a born again christian

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Feb 4, 2013
 
At the end of the day human beings are still just liddle kiddles with a pocketful of the things they found in this life. Emergent consciousnesses.

Makes for some very complicated interactions, sharing what they found, and the fascination they have with them.

I just wish these Topix atheists weren't so fond of piles of shit.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Genesis 19:34
The scripture you list is about a sin that occurred after Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. Lot gets drunk and his stupid daughters participate in incest. Bad things happen when you drink too much. Also bad things happen when you donít raise your kids in a righteous environment.
God didnít tell those girls to do that. And neither did Lot. The bible doesnít hide this sin but reveals how perverted these former inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah
were.
Yet you point this scripture out as if this was something that was sanctioned by God. Man be a straight shooter and stop this misrepresentation. If you have to use these kinds of tactics what does that say about your argument?
Iíll tell you what it says. Your argument is a house of cards.
Your religion is both a house of cards and heaping quantities of smoke and mirrors.

50% of the Bible is pure contradiction.
The problem with dogma slaves is they cannot discern fantasy from reality. They are terrified of death and sooth their primal fear with 'wishfull thinking' in the worship of some God.

For centuries Christians have been making excuses for the sordid content and vainly attempting to white wash the obvious biblical nonsense.

Horus and Mithras myths were recycled by Christians. Study them.

What part of killing children, enslaving humans appeals to you as godlike and worthy of worship?

What did the children of gods wrath do that warranted death? Why slaves?
Punishment to future generations? LOL

GODS are imaginary and you are foolish to defend the indefensible.

Try reading every page of the Bible and stop excusing the inexcusable.

This site will help...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

What true faith wrought...
Tomas De Torquemada... Proud? Feel all fuzzy with God now? Remember, he loves you!

If you are not Catholic, then your religion is a breakaway from the origin if the faith!

http://catholic.christianityinview.com/

The RCC claims exclusive authorship of the Bible, better confirm you have the right version.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php...
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Mikko wrote:
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He's a born again christian
I was born perfect the first time, too bad so many need to be reborn! What was broke? Why the celestial recall?

Please share this insightful Christian knowledge, in person, with any Muslim. They need saving too... Correct?

If there is truly safety on numbers...
Tell that to 6 million Jews

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bohart wrote:
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Spock! you comic uneducated ass , try Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Life springing into existence on its own is impossible, leaving what?
Why because you say it? Hardly evidence that it isn't what happened, just the uneducated ass who hears something it doesn't like to hear.
The evidence clearly shows that life sprang from a set of conditions, and that it is not impossible, but is very probable.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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We're militant?
That doesn't seem a little disproportionate to you - 13 verses of "positive and good things" and 56 verses of threats? Pat Condell to the rescue again:
"All three desert dogmas are variations on the same death cult. And they all worship this same god of supposed love and benevolent mercy, which is presumably why they hate each other with such a violent passion. I don't know, you'd have to ask them that.
"Look at the treatment dished out to Adam and Eve, the very first people on the planet. They were punished for being true to their nature, the very nature that God endowed them with. He knew they were curious, he knew they had to be curious to survive, so he knew that they would eat that apple. A cynical person might start to suspect that God only created us in the first place in order to punish us. Because this is the first lesson we learn in Genesis, that being human is a sin.
" http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php... , so he punished us by destroying our language.
"So here we are, we're barely just a few pages into the Bible and already we've taken two massive body blows from our loving and merciful god. Shortly after this he floods the entire planet because somebody must have looked at him the wrong way. He does tip off one person to build a boat, because obviously he doesn't want everyone wiped out, otherwise there'd be nobody left to punish.
"In Deuteronomy 13, according to God, if you hear of a city where another god is worshipped you must kill everybody in that city; men, women, children, babies, even cattle. And then you must burn that city to the ground.
"Oh, and by the way, thou shalt not kill."
I like Diderot's take!

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"
--Denis Diderot

"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?" - Robert G. Ingersoll

The works if RG Ingersoll... Enjoy

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/ro...
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
I'd rather deploy drones than see our guys get their legs blown off.
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Agreed. But think our leaders should be open about the use of drones, and not appear so secretive about it.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Fair enough.

They should also have the guts to say that islam is an embarrassing pain in the arse.

They should also have the guts to say that Western users create demand for drugs that in turn finances the IEDs used against our soldiers.
Adam wrote:
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Agreed. But think our leaders should be open about the use of drones, and not appear so secretive about it.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ugh
hahAhAA

GOOD rebuttal.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I am addressing the topic, but there is no double standard.
You're not addressing it.

My friend can shoot lasers from his eyes.
"I reject that claim. Humans can't do that!"
My friend is a God, not a human.
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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This has been a huge advantage for unbelievers. I can express my opinions about the church without having my car keyed or my pets executed.
How do you think the Catholic church lost control of its pedophile problem? Before the Internet, they settled with the boys when they had to, with a gag provision to silence them.
Then came the Internet, and these victims found one another. It became apparent that in many cases, the same priest had molested several boys, the crime covered up, and the priest reassigned to a new and unsuspecting parish. The Internet blew the cover off of that and revealed the magnitude of the problem: the Catholic church is a de facto sex syndicate. It wouldn't have been possible without the anonymity that the Internet offers.
The Internet was probably the last nail in the coffin for Christianity in the West, the first perhaps being the advent of the printing press and literacy among lay people.
;)

I wholeheartedly agree and... It is also indicative of the demise of organized religions.

The Information Age has become the 'death rattle' of the Gods.

December 29, 2010
Near-Record High See Religion Losing Influence in America

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145409/Near-Record...

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Feb 4, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I am addressing the topic, but there is no double standard.
God is not human & can't have superhuman powers.
Period.
Thats wonderful, except he keps pointing out that the comparison was with Jesus.

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