Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#151688 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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You've yet to explain why different people appeal to different moral systems, if there is one universal moral system.
There is one absolute moral standard.

But there also sin, which suppresses morality and creates subjective arbitrary corruptions of that absolute moral standard.

So quite easy to account for.

Your turn...

How do you account for your use of absolute moral standards as an atheist?

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151689 Feb 4, 2013
trekx wrote:
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And come on Iraq War not religious?
Although most americans see it as a fight for oil (witch we all know how that goes) Islams see it as an attack on their religion. 9/11 was a religish attack and it lead to the war. tarriest are radical Muslims that want to kill all Americans because we dont share there religious views...
911 attack was based on religious extremist. You got one out of a hundred.

Iraq war depending which one you are referring too started when Iraq invaded Kuwaiti. Saddam needed the cash flow from Kuwaiti oil to pay for his expenses during the Iran Iraq war. It wasnÂ’t a religious war.

This dialog between us has given me a pretty good idea that you are one of those atheist that will say anything and claim it as the truth. My friend you lack facts, history, and credibility.

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#151690 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Because it makes your supposedly perfect moral system a failure. You cannot reconcile the Bible condoning slavery and rape with your personal beliefs (supposedly Bible-based) that slavery and rape are evil.
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Untrue. I never said my ethical views were based purely on societal consensus.
I reject your arbitrary claims of rape being approved in the Bible by the way.

As to the issue of slavery, we could of course have a bible study if you were a Christian, but as you have no real interest in the issue other than as an excuse to reject your Creator, I see little point in discussing the matter.

But I am curious how you appeal to absolute morality when you reject consensus as the basis.

Is it your own arbitrary opinion you base absolute morality on?

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#151691 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Account for intellect in an atheistic worldview.
Intellect is a product of brains.
mtimber wrote:
You cannot, we both know it, because intellect is a gift from God.
As for intellectual ideas, how about telling us more about how rocks decided to form themselves into conscious life by sprinkling some magic fairy dust called "time" on themselves...
I wasn't aware that amino acids and other organic compounds were "rocks".

Still waiting for more details about rib-lady. How does one turn a rib into a woman?

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#151692 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I have no problem with science, as all true science can only be performed and accounted for when reliance on God's transcendent laws are adhered to.
You have a problem with science. You reject all the science that is a problem with your personal beliefs.

What you deem "true" or "false" science has nothing to do with methodology or process; it's what results you don't like.

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#151693 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Intellect is a product of brains.
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I wasn't aware that amino acids and other organic compounds were "rocks".
Still waiting for more details about rib-lady. How does one turn a rib into a woman?
Intellect is based on the use of logic.

So you think logic is the product of brains?

Are you sure you want to take that position?

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#151694 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Why?
You are an atheist, you cannot account for "truth".
So "proof" is meaningless in an atheistic worldview, it is not expected or required.
Nice dodge, bro.

Thanks for admitting that there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

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#151695 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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There is one absolute moral standard.
But there also sin, which suppresses morality and creates subjective arbitrary corruptions of that absolute moral standard.
So quite easy to account for.
You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.

If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
mtimber wrote:
How do you account for your use of absolute moral standards as an atheist?
For example?

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#151696 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
How does one turn a rib into a woman?
One doesn't.

The all powerful God does...

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

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#151697 Feb 4, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Your religion is both a house of cards and heaping quantities of smoke and mirrors.
50% of the Bible is pure contradiction.
The problem with dogma slaves is they cannot discern fantasy from reality. They are terrified of death and sooth their primal fear with 'wishfull thinking' in the worship of some God.
For centuries Christians have been making excuses for the sordid content and vainly attempting to white wash the obvious biblical nonsense.
Horus and Mithras myths were recycled by Christians. Study them.
What part of killing children, enslaving humans appeals to you as godlike and worthy of worship?
What did the children of gods wrath do that warranted death? Why slaves?
Punishment to future generations? LOL
GODS are imaginary and you are foolish to defend the indefensible.
Try reading every page of the Bible and stop excusing the inexcusable.
This site will help...
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
What true faith wrought...
Tomas De Torquemada... Proud? Feel all fuzzy with God now? Remember, he loves you!
If you are not Catholic, then your religion is a breakaway from the origin if the faith!
http://catholic.christianityinview.com/
The RCC claims exclusive authorship of the Bible, better confirm you have the right version.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php...
You are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

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#151698 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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You have a problem with science. You reject all the science that is a problem with your personal beliefs.
What you deem "true" or "false" science has nothing to do with methodology or process; it's what results you don't like.
Not true.

I reject all philosophical notions that rest on the need to deny God (like evolution), because it is not consistent with the self evident truth of God.
christianity is EVIL

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#151699 Feb 4, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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god is logicaly contradictory to be real
no omniscience needed
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
spread the word
mtimber wrote:
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Without God you cannot account for logic.
Using logic reveals your need of relying upon Him, whilst suppressing the truth of Him and His relationship to you as your Creator.
which part of CONTRADICTORY didnt you understand,bucko

your god doesnt exist,get used to it

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#151700 Feb 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Nice dodge, bro.
Thanks for admitting that there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.
You didn't address the point.

Do you accept that "absolute truth" exists?

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#151702 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.
If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
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For example?
Think of a computer with an operating system.

Now introduce a virus.

The computer still works, but the operating system has been hijacked.

Extrapolate that to mankind and you will understand the point.

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#151703 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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And if it were true, which it patently is not...
...Why would you as an atheist feel the need to make an absolute moral judgement invoking absolute moral standards and absolute authority in your statement?
How do you account for your absolutism?
I'm starting to think you work for a certain vodka maker...

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#151704 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I reject your arbitrary claims of rape being approved in the Bible by the way.
How is my claim 'arbitrary'?

In the Bible, a woman's consent is not required for marriage, and once marriage occurs, a woman is her husband's property for the purposes of sexual intercourse. The Israelites are explicitly told that they may take brides from among captives in war.

YOU would regard this as rape.
mtimber wrote:
As to the issue of slavery, we could of course have a bible study if you were a Christian, but as you have no real interest in the issue other than as an excuse to reject your Creator, I see little point in discussing the matter.
You don't want to discuss it because it's a big problem for you. The Bible condones slavery.
mtimber wrote:
But I am curious how you appeal to absolute morality when you reject consensus as the basis.
Is it your own arbitrary opinion you base absolute morality on?
My post didn't appeal to any morality. It simply showed that YOURS is self-contradictory.

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#151705 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Without God you cannot account for logic.
Using logic reveals your need of relying upon Him, whilst suppressing the truth of Him and His relationship to you as your Creator.
Then you must have lost your faith in your god because your logic skills are abysmal..
christianity is EVIL

West Pubnico, Canada

#151706 Feb 4, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The material was indeed the earth.
But it didn't just decide to become intelligent one day, as taught in evolutionary fables.
see you know NOTHING about evolution bc bible made you Ignorant

life began in water

Google Abiogenesis

Since: Sep 08

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#151707 Feb 4, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>A POSITIVE claim that needs to be supported with verifiable evidence.....ready...set....GO !!
An Idiotic idea that is supported by 99% of the worlds scientists. An idiotic idea that is factual as far as mainstream science is concerned. An idiotic idea that is in Fact, FACTUAL. An idiotic idea that had in 2009 135,000 articles published in reputable scientific journals and periodicals in full support of the FACTS of evolution, and nowhere in sight was there ANY articles published to refute any of there facts, why is that?
Filling children's mind's with scientifically accurate and supportive information is hardly viewed a polluting, except by those so blinded and brainwashed by their religion that these facts are simply ignored. Willful ignorance is a terrible trait.
Filling the child's mind with fear and visions of torture would be more on the lines of polluting. To fill there heads with the false knowledge that a celestial dictator has the ability to peer into their most private thoughts and convict them of thought crimes, is polluting. To tell them they are sinners and condemned to eternal torture unless they spend their lives trying to become well after being born sick, is child abuse plain and simple. Anyone that supports filling the innocent mind with visions of terror and torture deserves that same fate as any other child abuser. Shame on you or anyone else subjecting an innocent child to these unfounded horrors. Horror is the name of religion is still HORROR!!!!!!!!!!
99% believe in undesigned abiogenetic origin?

Have something to back that up? A link to a source, maybe?

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#151708 Feb 4, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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You're not accounting for it at all.'Sin' isn't an explanation; its a cop-out.
If everyone has the exact same, god-installed internal gauge for morality, then people should have the same moral systems worldwide. But they don't.
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For example?
Here is one, where you have stated an absolute moral position.
The_Box wrote:
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Because it makes your supposedly perfect moral system a failure.
Please account for that from an atheistic viewpoint.

You cannot.

You can only argue based on the transcendent laws that you inherently know.

These laws and the knowledge of them, you have to suppress however, as it reveals Gods signature in your very soul.

Which explains the contradictory moral arguments atheists are always making...

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