Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Imhotep

Davenport, FL

#151379 Feb 1, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
“You can protect your liberties in this world only by protecting the other man's freedom. You can be free only if I am free.”
Clarence S. Darrow (1857-1938) American lawyer
" I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of. "
Clarence Darrow

" I do not believe in God because I do not believe in Mother Goose. "
CD

"The world is made up for the most part of morons and natural tyrants, sure of themselves, strong in their own opinions, never doubting anything. "
Clarence Darrow

" The origin of the absurd idea of immortal life is easy to discover; it is kept alive by hope and fear, by childish faith, and by cowardice. "
Clarence Darrow
socci

Cameron, MO

#151380 Feb 1, 2013

Atheism is a pagan religion with faith they evolved from the rocks of the earth even stardust.

The Christian faith is supported by all SCIENCE & HISTORY.
Imhotep

Davenport, FL

#151381 Feb 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What was myth is now fact.
What is myth might one day become fact.
It is intuitively satisfying to think that someone was behind the towering legend. Yet like the worship of Horus or Mithras a human life was neither necessary nor helpful.

As it happens, we have an excellent witness to events in Judaea in the first half of the first century AD: Philo of Alexandria (c. 25 BC-47 AD). Yet Philo says not a word about Jesus or Christianity!

Nothing in the 'Christian message' was original. Brotherly love and compassion had been taught by the Stoics for centuries. The Christian faith was a vulgarised paganism, set to the theme of the Jewish prophets and debased by religious intolerance.

The early Christian sects attacked each other as energetically as they attacked pagans. 1st century Palestine had rabbis, radicals and rebels in abundance. But a 'life' conjured up from mystical fantasy, a mass of borrowed quotations, copied story elements and a corpus of self-serving speculation, does not constitute an historical reality.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.h...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#151382 Feb 1, 2013
there's no such TNT as god. atheism is not a religion. Not a single piece of scientific evidence that supports any religion,

Why do theists lie about their faith and science? It is a cult that is why.
Imhotep

Davenport, FL

#151383 Feb 1, 2013
socci wrote:
Atheism is a pagan religion with faith they evolved from the rocks of the earth even stardust.
The Christian faith is supported by all SCIENCE & HISTORY.
Absurd!

This alleged 'history' exists in one book only exactly like Moses and Mohammad.

Odd that...

Could you explain why Egyptian and Roman history does not record any of these prophets?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_most_scientist_...

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#151384 Feb 1, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
You also spared me the working theory. You are nothing
There are many theories that attempt to explain the formation of life. It isn't my job to explain them to you, let alone make you accept them. As you clearly are here to refute the very possibility at every available opportunity. You loathe me and say I am nothing , but fail to reason that the approach taken leads to discovery and invention as knowledge progresses.
While your way has led to stagnation and absolutely nothing of merit for 3 thousand years. So go ahead and use your method, just stay out the way of progress.
You want me to assist you in reasoning this puzzle out, but I do think you already present a fine example here today. Of a failed attempt at cognitive development from the early years on.
But surely the mystery comprises of a history we can see from
The Evolution of the Universe by Cosmological Synthesis ,leading the evolution of matter, forcing the evolution of planets, to the evolution of chemical compounds which progressed into the formation of life, and it's evolutionary history on Earth.
All of which are comprised of the most despised word you ever heard , Evolution.
But as a parting note, and my complements to Wikipedia, for making this possible.
I will leave you with a brief summary of human knowledge of these events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151385 Feb 2, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
{LEMON GROVE, CA (KSWB/CNN)- A billboard that reads, "Atheism, a personal relationship with reality," sponsored by San Diego's Coalition for Reason, is designed to shine a positive light on atheists.

Some said the billboard is "trying to shine a positive light on a negative philosophy."
"When people hear the word atheism or atheist, they usually think about a corrupt, bad person, and that's so far from the truth," said Debbie Allen with the coalition.

Down the road from the billboard is the Christian Church of Lemon Grove, where members say they're worried about how this message will be received by the community.
"I don't know how much an atheistic message like that will resonate with the people around here," said Rev. Will Warren, pastor of the church.

For now, Allen hopes the billboard will encourage those who think like her to join local atheist groups.
The billboard will be installed Thursday}.

I donÂ’t who the individual was who came up with the wording but it was brilliant. A softer and more gentle approach than some of the signs we have seen in the past.

Certainly within this group constitutional right. However the location of this sign is less than brilliant. Right on the main path to a church. From a Christians point of view it couldnÂ’t be any better than that.
Why? Well they could have placed it near a University or High School were their apt to make some positive headway. Since they placed it near a church. I think they lost some of their potential marketing ability.

Atheist groups marketing ability is like a fish floundering around out of water. They just make stabs at marketing. Usually they come up with some radical divisive wording. In this case the wording was fine. ItÂ’s the location that they missed. I doubt the Church in Lemon Grove is going to empty out in a couple of weeks and join the Atheist movement.

Any organized Atheist group is going to want membership dues to pay for their marketing and other activities they want to do. Only problem is pulling those dollars out of the tight billfolds of Atheist. ThatÂ’s going to be the most difficult problem going forward in trying to organize Atheist. ThatÂ’s just fine because where dollars are collected thereÂ’s always a potential of financial improprieties.

Remember when Madalyn Murray O'Hair operation came to a abrupt end when her office manager shot her and her son? Then cut them up and disposed of them. Perhaps she would have been better off hiring a Christian Office Manager?

Without funding there will be only a negligible impact on marketing. Like the said in the movie “The Right Stuff.”
“No Bucks no Buck Rodgers.” Same goes for any serious Atheist organizations. No Bucks no serious Atheist Organization.
You might be surprised at how many people are going to that church because they think they are alone in their doubts or disbelief.

Primarily, these billboards are out there to let closeted atheists know that they're not alone. And a lot of closeted atheists go to church.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151386 Feb 2, 2013
socci wrote:
Atheism is a pagan religion with faith they evolved from the rocks of the earth even stardust.

The Christian faith is supported by all SCIENCE & HISTORY.
No it's not.
socci

Cameron, MO

#151387 Feb 2, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Absurd!
This alleged 'history' exists in one book only exactly like Moses and Mohammad.
Odd that...
Could you explain why Egyptian and Roman history does not record any of these prophets?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_most_scientist_...

Bahr Yussef (Canal of Joseph) The Bahr Yussef is believed to have been built under the Israelite patriarch Joseph when he was vizier for Thutmosis III.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef
Joseph, one of Jacob's twelve sons of the twelve tribes of Israel.


Bible says ...
Hebrews were captive in Egypt

Hebrews built the Pyramids.

pyramid building machine ..
http://pinkoski.com/pyramid-machine.html
socci

Cameron, MO

#151388 Feb 2, 2013

The plagues of the Exodus recorded in Egyptian documents: Ipuwer Papyrus
www.christianevidences.org/ipuwer-papyrus2.ht...
www.examiner.com/creationism-in-national/ten-...

also see the black granite naos, housed at Egypt


The Search for the Real Mt Sinai
(video)
http://archive.org/details/The_Search_for_the...
The Exodus route, Red Sea crossing, surrounding artifacts, Split Rock at Horeb, and much more.
(illustrated)
http://pinkoski.com/the-real-mt-sinai.html


Archaeology: Digging for the Truth of the Bible
www.youtube.com/watch...

socci

Cameron, MO

#151389 Feb 2, 2013

Turn your TV o-f-f: GENESIS older than Sumer tablets!


Babylon and the Bible
by Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD

Two hundred years ago, scholars doubted whether Babylon ever existed. The only record could be found in the Bible. Critics used the story of Babylon, and what they called its "non-historic kings," to discount Scripture. However, Babylon was discovered and excavated in 1898.

We know today that Babylon was one of the first cities in the world, and founded by Nimrod, great-grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:9-10). Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets, while a massive head of Nimrod has been excavated near Calah on the Tigris River.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_arc...


Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.


"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_%28Sumer%29


"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah#Ham...


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."


continues:

http://davelivingston.com/nimrod.htm

www.noahs-ark.tv/noahs-ark-flood-creation-sto...


• Who wrote Genesis

www.rae.org/FAQ09.htm

www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp

www.dtl.org/bible/ng-post/gilgamesh.htm

www.specialtyinterests.net/Toledoth.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiseman_hypothes...

(video)

http://archive.org/details/WhoWroteTheBookOfG...


Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#151391 Feb 2, 2013
socci wrote:
Turn your TV o-f-f: GENESIS older than Sumer tablets!


Babylon and the Bible
by Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD

Two hundred years ago, scholars doubted whether Babylon ever existed. The only record could be found in the Bible. Critics used the story of Babylon, and what they called its "non-historic kings," to discount Scripture. However, Babylon was discovered and excavated in 1898.

We know today that Babylon was one of the first cities in the world, and founded by Nimrod, great-grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:9-10). Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets, while a massive head of Nimrod has been excavated near Calah on the Tigris River.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_arc...


Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.


"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_%28Sumer%29


"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah#Ham...


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."


continues:

http://davelivingston.com/nimrod.htm

www.noahs-ark.tv/noahs-ark-flood-creation-sto...


• Who wrote Genesis

www.rae.org/FAQ09.htm

www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp

www.dtl.org/bible/ng-post/gilgamesh.htm

www.specialtyinterests.net/Toledoth.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiseman_hypothes...

(video)

http://archive.org/details/WhoWroteTheBookOfG...
Nice post!

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#151392 Feb 2, 2013
Double nutty fruitcakes!

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#151393 Feb 2, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
IANS, life is a series of adventures. Some good, some bad.
You get some variation, some chance to express yourself.
Your concept of a God is something that never let's the rain fall, never let's you feel pain, and never let's you be individual.
Perhaps a loving God is the one that lets you taste of life, and the various seasonings of it. It is all temporary, anyhow.
Your ideal seems to be one where you eat tortillas everyday. With no seasonings.
You atheist folks had better live it up and enjoy your life because it's all you're going to get. If your life so far has been miserable and unhappy, tough luck, because you're maggot food when you die. Why would anyone who claims to have a brain choose to live such a hopeless existence?

After 9/11 happened, churches were filled with people who wouldn't normally be there. Now why would that happen? Because when facing feelings of helplessness, people always gravitate towards messages of hope, which religion offers. If death takes the people you love suddenly, it is reassuring to know that they continue to exist and are at peace. What can atheism offer the bereaved but empty consolations? "Sorry folks, that's all there is. Eat, drink and be merry because tomorrow you may be next."

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151394 Feb 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
You might be surprised at how many people are going to that church because they think they are alone in their doubts or disbelief.
Primarily, these billboards are out there to let closeted atheists know that they're not alone. And a lot of closeted atheists go to church.
That’s ironic, a lot of closet Christians go to atheist meetings. Maybe we should hold a meetings swap.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#151395 Feb 2, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
That’s ironic, a lot of closet Christians go to atheist meetings. Maybe we should hold a meetings swap.
What "atheist meetings?" You mean coffee with friends? Or beers at the local pub with friends? Or family picnics? I mean, are those exclusive to atheists? Are we the only ones who spend time with family and friends?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#151396 Feb 2, 2013
1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?
They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.
5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.
6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.
7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151397 Feb 2, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>ThatÂ’s ironic, a lot of closet Christians go to atheist meetings. Maybe we should hold a meetings swap.
Atheist meetings are at my house.

Third Wednesday of every month.

7:00pm

Bring beer.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151398 Feb 2, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Right.

The universe was created in a sudden huge explosion, no?

Sort of like when you overcook something in the microwave--have you ever done that? The Big Bang.
I did it on a gas stove with some hard boiled eggs I forgot about once.

Damn things just disappeared along with all the water.

Then I looked up...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151399 Feb 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Correct.

Too bad we humans are too stupid to get a good, scientific reading on God...

Maybe someday we'll have the technology.
I kinda doubt it.

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