Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Greece - 99% religious
Italy - 87%
Belgium - 76%
France -61%
Norway - 84%(and rising at 231.1%)
Spain - 71%
UK - 78%
Portugal - 84%
USA - 81%
Gee.... All those "idiots" in 1st world countries.....

Way to change the topic.

We were discussing trends. That religiosity is DECREASING in the 1st World.

Also, your numbers are bogus. For example, when Norwegians were surveyed, 84% said they belonged to a Christian church, yet *ONLY 32%* said they believed in God.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/e...

[Givemeliberty]

We really need a slam dunk icon! How many more times will rejects like RR use the bandwagon logical fallacy argument?

Epic fail

-Skeptic- wrote:

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The growth rate of STDs and cancers is high too. What exactly is your point?

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Um.... Please tell the class what "scientific knowledge" has developed a way of testing Jesus' abilities.
We'll wait.

Scientific knowledge tells us that brains die quite quickly. Jesus died. And stayed dead.

You can't validate a religious claim with another religious claim.

Prosecutor: John Smith murdered the victim!
Defense: John Smith has an alibi. He was 1000 miles away.
Prosecutor: John Smith can teleport!
Defense: There's no evidence of John Smith, or anyone, being able to teleport.
Prosecutor: John Smith is a god, so he can!

I bet that argument would hold up well.

[Dave Nelson]

KittenKoder wrote:

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That's 0.0005% of the population of the the world converting. Not a very fast growth, it's slowing down in more educated locales, and increasing a lot in places like Africa. Which does not bode well for you, because a starving person will convert to any religion for a slice of bread.

Don't forget much of that population is young yet, and going through a phase of rejection of religion. They tend to come back into the fold as they age.

Over a sixth is between 20-29.

http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/broker

[RiversideRedneck]

scaritual wrote:

But he could have if he wanted, that's the point, your deity can do anything you think it can, yes?
Are you saying the Jesus! couldn't have had candy fingers if he wanted them?

What I think Jesus can do is irrelevant to what Jesus can do.

[Religion is Fraud]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Why do you believe God is a father figure in the sky watching over you?

I believe that is what you believe because you admit attempting to send silent wishes to it every day hoping to improve your lot in life.

[Dave Nelson]

Thinking wrote:

Confucius say, "F**k off!"
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Thank you for your contribution.

:-)

[Religion is Fraud]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Don't forget much of that population is young yet, and going through a phase of rejection of religion. They tend to come back into the fold as they age.
Over a sixth is between 20-29.
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/broker

Just wait until science can ensure each child is born with a decent IQ. Religion with wither and die like a slug on asphalt in the nooon day sun.

[Givemeliberty]

Appeal to authority logical fallacy oh chopper of your own fingers? What next you gonna go full reject and say... hey look at all those believers out there! Da-hur Da-hur Da-hur ha yuck yuck yuck!

:sigh:

Just another fact in why atheists tend to have a higher IQ.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Faraday
ALL of your modern physics is a direct result of this man. Read about him.
Einstein kept a picture of him on his wall. Along with pictures of Newton and Maxwell.
God's gifts to science.:-)

[Religion is Fraud]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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You have some serious issues about perceptions being influenced by emotion. Menopause?

It's called projection when you do that you dishonest death denier.

[Givemeliberty]

Wanna discuss it over a stack of foreclosed church deeds Mr. Low iq?

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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No, not at all. Because it isn't dying.
Christianity gets appr 3 million conversions per year and 22 million new adherents

[Dave Nelson]

Religion is Fraud wrote:

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Just wait until science can ensure each child is born with a decent IQ. Religion with wither and die like a slug on asphalt in the nooon day sun.

Will be too late to help you.

[Dave Nelson]

Religion is Fraud wrote:

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It's called projection when you do that you dishonest death denier.

Death denier, huh?

Hey, Grumpy, you are typical topical and shallow Topix atheist. Just because someone else does something they say is cool, you gotta think and do it, too.

You see everyone else die, so you figure you will, too.

Your body will, but the light that shone in it necessarily doesn't.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

Scientific knowledge tells us that brains die quite quickly. Jesus died. And stayed dead.

OK, human brains. What scientific tests are available to test God's brain?

[Langoliers]

Aerobatty wrote:

<quoted text>Only in underdeveloped countries.

They'll learn eventually.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"

[Langoliers]

The_Box wrote:

<quoted text>From your own link:

2006 Christianity: 74.8%
2031 Christianity: 64.8%

It sure is convenient when you prove yourself wrong!

So you are now basing your numbers on Guesses of what might be 20 years into the future? LOL

Here are some REAL numbers not make believe.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"

[Langoliers]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>Sure, for a human...

Jesus is God. He can survive without oxygen...

It's really cute how atheists feel a need to put human limitations on God.

Every time I see those kinds of post from atheist it opens my understanding of them even further.

They don't have a clue do they?

[Langoliers]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>*sips coffee and waits for Septic's facts that God isn't real*

You'll hear nothing but Crickets!

LOL

[Givemeliberty]

Are you still humiliating yourself with this church website copy and paste?!! This info has been factually crushed quite a while ago.

So a Christian website is a neutral reliable source? Lmfao!! Even if the info was correct, which it's not, all you are clinging to is a bandwagon logical fallacy argument. Your mom dashed this when you were 9 and she said.., if everyone else was jumping off a bridge would you do it to?

Keep scampering made for TV King series lover!

You really have nothing else do you? Your IQ really is this low isn't it?

Langoliers wrote:

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http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

Who would want to be an atheist?

[Langoliers]

The_Box wrote:

<quoted text>You have no evidence to suggest this is true.

RiversideRedneck wrote, "
It's really cute how atheists feel a need to put human limitations on God. "

No, it's cute how theists think that "making shit up" is a valid argument.

"You have no evidence to suggest this is true."

Yes we do. We have many eye witness.