Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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How do you know he did?
I don't think he did. There is no evidence to support it.
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How do you he wasn't a stoner? He might've reached Nirvana...
Is there any evidence to suggest he was a stoner? That would go against his teachings.
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He very well could have...
I don't think he did. There is no evidence to support it.
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Are you ever gonna apply the same standards to your beliefs that you to do my religion?
First, what beliefs am I following that I don't apply standards of skepticism to?

Secondly, please answer my question: Are you ever going to apply the same standards to your religion that you to do others?

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That is also your opinion, nothing more.
It's the opinion of scholars.

Why do you accept the Gospel stories at face value when, if you were told the same story by someone else, you'd call BS?

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I don't think he did. There is no evidence to support it.

Is there any evidence to suggest he was a stoner? That would go against his teachings.

I don't think he did. There is no evidence to support it.
OK then, all you habe is what you think. Correct.
First, what beliefs am I following that I don't apply standards of skepticism to?
You're implying that you only follow what is fact, when you have no facts (as seen above), just opinions.
Secondly, please answer my question: Are you ever going to apply the same standards to your religion that you to do others?
I always do.

There is multitudes of evidence that Islam is a copycat of Christianity.

What Muhammed had to say is irrelevant to me.

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It's the opinion of scholars.
OH!.... "scholars"

You make a strong argument, how can I argue with that?
Why do you accept the Gospel stories at face value when, if you were told the same story by someone else, you'd call BS?
Same story? I think you meant if I was told a different story...?

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OK then, all you habe is what you think. Correct.
I have reason. I reject extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence.

You, on the other hand, accept some extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence, while rejecting others.

I am consistent. You are not.
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I always do.
No, you don't, and you've already shown that. You take the Bible at face value, but don't do the same for other religious texts.
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There is multitudes of evidence that Islam is a copycat of Christianity.
How is it a copycat? The primary thing that Christianity added to Judaism was Jesus as God and Savior. Islam does not accept that.

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OH!.... "scholars"
You make a strong argument, how can I argue with that?
You can't, because you know you historians don't accept religious claims as historical fact.
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Same story? I think you meant if I was told a different story...?
No, the same story.

If we found a book written by anonymous members of David Koresh's cult, and it stated that David Koresh could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water into wine, and that he once died and resurrected, you would not believe it, would you?

Of course not. These claims are ridiculous. They're way out there. You would have to see some extremely good evidence before you accepted them as true.

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I have reason. I reject extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence.
You, on the other hand, accept some extraordinary claims that are unsupported by evidence, while rejecting others.
I am consistent. You are not.
Yes, I have my beliefs & you have yours.
No, you don't, and you've already shown that. You take the Bible at face value, but don't do the same for other religious texts.
Now you're assuming I take the Bible at face value?

Knock it off.
How is it a copycat? The primary thing that Christianity added to Judaism was Jesus as God and Savior. Islam does not accept that.
There are so many similarities its ridiculous. Feel free to google it if you're not afraid to learn.

The bible has Adam
The Quran has Adam

In the bible, Jesus was born to the Virginia Mary
In the Quran, Jesus was born to the Virginia Mary

The list goes on and on and on.

Islam was "created" 600 years after Christianity, you can't say it wasn't copied.

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You can't, because you know you historians don't accept religious claims as historical fact.
Historians? I thought it was scholars....

Make up your mind.

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If we found a book written by anonymous members of David Koresh's cult, and it stated that David Koresh could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water into wine, and that he once died and resurrected, you would not believe it, would you?
Of course not. These claims are ridiculous. They're way out there. You would have to see some extremely good evidence before you accepted them as true.
Yes, it would take a lot to consider Vern Howell's stories.

Not because they're so fantastic, but because done Jesus, many have claimed to be just like him....

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Yes, I have my beliefs & you have yours.
I accept things that are evidenced. You accept things that aren't.
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Now you're assuming I take the Bible at face value?
Knock it off.
You said so, Buddy.

"It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim."

The sole source for the claims about Jesus' miracles and divinity and resurrection is the Bible. You are accepting its claims at face value.
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There are so many similarities its ridiculous. Feel free to google it if you're not afraid to learn.
I already went over this. Islam is an expansion of Christianity like Christianity is an expansion of Judaism.

Why don't you call Christianity a copycat of Judaism? They both have Adam, and Noah, and Moses, and Abraham.

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Historians? I thought it was scholars....
Make up your mind.
Historians ARE scholars.
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Since memory and awareness cease upon death, it proves all flavors of death denying domgas are nothing but lies for cowards.

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Yes, it would take a lot to consider Vern Howell's stories.
Not because they're so fantastic, but because done Jesus, many have claimed to be just like him....
Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.

When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?

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<quoted text>"claimed"? It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim.

[QUOTE] I'm not. There's no reason to actually believe he did any of those things. That's choosing superstition over reason. "

You don't get to choose whether or not you want to "believe" history.

[QUOTE] Your argument could be applied to every religious claim. How does Zeus cause lightning? Well, you just can't comprehend how he does it!
You're skipping over the fact that there's no good reason to believe Zeus throws lightning or Jesus resurrected to begin with. It's delusion. "

Where was it written that Zeus threw lightning?

Where's the Zeus bible?

(good luck finding it)

Zeus and his ilk have gone down in history as myth.

Jesus is a prominant role in the lives of many people worldwide.
Jesus and his ilk, after a few more failed Armageddon's and raptures, will be joining Zeus et. al.

A couple of more generations at most, though there will undoubtedly be some hangers on in underdeveloped countries.

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<quoted text>Yes, Islamic claims are just that, claims. Thanks!

[QUOTE] It's not history. "

Yes it is.

[QUOTE] Homer and Hesiod both wrote about Zeus. "

Funny atheist. You believe that a man named Homer actually existed & you take that as history but you fight back against people like Matthew, Mark & John.....
You can put your foot in your mouth whenever you're ready.
Funny.

Islamists think their religious "history" is just as valid as you do yours.

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Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.
When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?
You too?

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<quoted text>OH!.... "scholars"

You make a strong argument, how can I argue with that?

[QUOTE] Why do you accept the Gospel stories at face value when, if you were told the same story by someone else, you'd call BS? "

Same story? I think you meant if I was told a different story...?
LOL

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Historians ARE scholars.
LMAO!

scholar

Noun

A specialist in a particular branch of study, esp. the humanities; a distinguished academic: "a Hebrew scholar".

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historian

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An expert in or student of history, esp. that of a particular period, region, or social phenomenon.

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I accept things that are evidenced. You accept things that aren't.
Like what?
You said so, Buddy.
"It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim."
The sole source for the claims about Jesus' miracles and divinity and resurrection is the Bible. You are accepting its claims at face value.
Wrong. There are many historians that have researched Jesus. Read for yourself. Try not to be a typical atheist & cherry pick (I'll notice).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
I already went over this. Islam is an expansion of Christianity like Christianity is an expansion of Judaism.
Why don't you call Christianity a copycat of Judaism? They both have Adam, and Noah, and Moses, and Abraham.
Because Christianity isn't a copycat of Judaism.

Judaism, Christianity & Islam are all Abrahamic religions.

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Not because they're so fantastic? Ok, then let me switch it up.
When I was a kid, I knew a guy who was 30 feet tall and shot lasers out of his eyes. Do you accept these claims?
Oh yes, because that's a much less fantasic story......

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