Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151096 Jan 31, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I think you underestimate the chemical reactivity of the materials that were on the early earth. They were 'sterile' only in the sense of being not alive: but they were very dynamic chemically.
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No, it was not a 'poof'. It was a gradual increase in the complexity of the chemical reactions until a self-sustaining collection of reactions formed. Life *is* a collection of chemical reactions that maintains internal state while using the chemicals from the environment for nutrients and (for photosynthetic organisms) light for an energy source.
Many chemical reactions take a lot of work to get the desired compounds. With multiple steps and engineered processes to reach those desired compounds. Sometimes taking weeks and months before obtaining the desired engineered results.

A lot of chemical reactions donít happen as expected and itís a hit and miss to get those targeted compounds. A research chemist would know exactly what Iím talking about.

Life and the genesis of life is far more complex than any man made chemical compound. Those DNA and RNA codes didnít self construct as you atheist claim.

So much is said here about science. Well science says itís impossible for life to self create. The Miller Experiment was a bust. They didnít even use the atmosphere the Earth had at the beginning.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151097 Jan 31, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Why do you think I haven't looked? I have read your Bible. I have searched the history. I have learned what science says. And my conclusion is that the God of the Bible certainly does not exist and, more generally, it is unlikely that the universe was intelligently created.
The Bible is just a book, it won't lead to to Christ any more than reading a physics book will make you a physicist.

God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151098 Jan 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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There's no such thing as god, sorry to poop your party
I wonít call you stupid nor will I demean you like you have others. You make you own mind up and the rest of us will make up ours. If we need your help with deciding we will drop a dime and give you a call.

In the mean time stop trying to be a dictator and forcing people to give up their right to freedom. We are free people and free we will live. That means no one has to prove sh** to you nor do we have to give up our faith.

We donít need your approval but thank you anyway.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#151099 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Bible is just a book, it won't lead to to Christ any more than reading a physics book will make you a physicist.
God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.
You are ditching the bible, that is good! But faith through prayer? To which of the many gods, they are all different. You are still seeing things through a christian lens.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151100 Jan 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
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You are ditching the bible, that is good! But faith through prayer? To which of the many gods, they are all different. You are still seeing things through a christian lens.
Ditching the Bible? What?

Don't read into it too much, your little athi-brain can't figure it out apparently.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151101 Jan 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
There's no such thing as god, sorry to poop your party
How have you come to such a precise conclusion?

(I gotta hear this)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151102 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
You mean she died in your novel. You know the one you can't sell. According to your story the girl died anyway. It looks like you showed up a day late and dollar short. A good atheist would have been there the day before to give her water. I mean you so perfect in your own mind and all. It sounds like you non prayer method didnít help.
The atheist thinks she died & turned off like a busted TV.

Like he cares if she died.

I wonder what the title of the book is...

"Awesomeness in Athesim Abroad"

LMAO
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#151103 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.
That was careless of you to lose him in the first place.

Its a good job he is not found in the buy-bull cause that book is an appauling catalogue of horrors and absurd tales.

Since: Dec 11

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#151104 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christianity is based on historical records of Jesus Christ, not superstition.
The idea that Jesus performed miracles or resurrected or was a divine being, are all based on the supernatural or magic.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
How do you know? I don't believe in psychics at all, but it makes some people feel good, feel positive. What's so bad about that?
They're con-artists who often bilk people out of significant sums of money.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Not Christianity, no.
It fits it to a tee.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#151105 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
So much is said here about science. Well science says itís impossible for life to self create. The Miller Experiment was a bust. They didnít even use the atmosphere the Earth had at the beginning.
No, the Miller experiment was NOT a bust. It showed that amino acids and other basic compounds required for life form easily in the environments like that of the early earth. Miller used the best guess he had at the time for the atmosphere of the earth. Later versions of his experiment used different mixtures for the atmosphere and found the same results.

Miller was NOT trying to create life. That was not the point of his experiment. The point was to see if the basic building blocks for life would form under conditions that were likely on the early earth. His experiment and others have shown that and much more.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151106 Jan 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
That was careless of you to lose him in the first place.
Its a good job he is not found in the buy-bull cause that book is an appauling catalogue of horrors and absurd tales.
God is not lost, you misunderstand.

I expect no less from an atheist, though.

Keep up the "good" work.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#151107 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Bible is just a book, it won't lead to to Christ any more than reading a physics book will make you a physicist.
God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.
Faith comes *after* the evidence supporting belief. Anything else is simply self-delusion. So yes, I have searched for your deity (and others) and nothing was found. Faith and prayer are simply ways to keep you performing rituals instead of actually thinking.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151108 Jan 31, 2013
The_Box wrote:
The idea that Jesus performed miracles or resurrected or was a divine being, are all based on the supernatural or magic.
Because Jesus defied the laws of nature?

I'm glad to see you're starting to believe in Jesus.

What else do you want to learn?
They're con-artists who often bilk people out of significant sums of money.
Just like politicians....
It fits it to a tee.
This is where we need to work on you. You think Christianity is based on "magic" becuase you can't comprehend something that happened that defies our human laws of physics...
bohart

Newport, TN

#151109 Jan 31, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But we *have* found evidence. We know the life is a chemical process. We know that the precursors of the chemicals of life existed on the early earth. We know that those precursors spontaneously form more complicated structures in the environment of the early earth. We know that those structures can catalyze many of the reactions of life. We know that they will spontaneously form into cell-like structures which will bud and grow.
In the other direction, we are learning the absolute essentials for living things by our study of bacteria. We are able to decipher that RNA and not DNA was the original genetic material. We know that that RNA can form not only the genetic material, but also catalyze reactions needed for life.
The point is that the gap between what we know spontaneously forms in conditions similar to the early earth and what we know the earliest life was like has shrunk dramatically over the last 50 years. And yes, that *is* progress on the question. And yes, the above *is* evidence of abiogenesis.
sorry, this belief requires more faith than I can muster

Since: Dec 11

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#151110 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because Jesus defied the laws of nature?
Is claimed to have, yes.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm glad to see you're starting to believe in Jesus.
I'm not. There's no reason to actually believe he did any of those things. That's choosing superstition over reason.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Just like politicians....
Um, okay?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
This is where we need to work on you. You think Christianity is based on "magic" becuase you can't comprehend something that happened that defies our human laws of physics...
Your argument could be applied to every religious claim. How does Zeus cause lightning? Well, you just can't comprehend how he does it!

You're skipping over the fact that there's no good reason to believe Zeus throws lightning or Jesus resurrected to begin with. It's delusion.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#151111 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
You probably have strong opinions about Doctors being sued in court for malpractice. I do to and donít think competent Doctors should ever be sued. Even if they make a mistake.
But in medicine there are MDís that are frauds and incompetent. Their body count is like ten times higher than the average competent Doctors. There needs to be a way of weeding out those in medicine who are dreadful.
There is, but it's not done with lawsuits. It's done by state medical boards, which investigate complaints about doctors, and which have the power to discipline and revoke medical licenses.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#151112 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God is not lost, you misunderstand.
I expect no less from an atheist, though.
Keep up the "good" work.
Not an atheist. Just skeptical toward ridiculous claims.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#151113 Jan 31, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Is claimed to have, yes.
"claimed"? It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim.
I'm not. There's no reason to actually believe he did any of those things. That's choosing superstition over reason.
You don't get to choose whether or not you want to "believe" history.
Your argument could be applied to every religious claim. How does Zeus cause lightning? Well, you just can't comprehend how he does it!
You're skipping over the fact that there's no good reason to believe Zeus throws lightning or Jesus resurrected to begin with. It's delusion.
Where was it written that Zeus threw lightning?

Where's the Zeus bible?

(good luck finding it)

Zeus and his ilk have gone down in history as myth.

Jesus is a prominant role in the lives of many people worldwide.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#151114 Jan 31, 2013
ThePlayfulDragon wrote:
"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Actually, it is. Think about it. Compare that comment to this one, which is correct: The absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Since: Dec 11

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#151115 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"claimed"? It's part of our recorded history, it's no claim.
It's no more 'recorded history' than Muhammad meeting Allah or Buddha achieving Nirvana or Joseph Smith talking to angels.

These are religious CLAIMS; not historical facts.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You don't get to choose whether or not you want to "believe" history.
It's not history.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Where was it written that Zeus threw lightning?
Where's the Zeus bible?
Homer and Hesiod both wrote about Zeus.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Zeus and his ilk have gone down in history as myth.
Jesus is a prominant role in the lives of many people worldwide.
Times changes. In the past, people thought Zeus was real just like they do Jesus now. And in the future, Jesus will be regarded as a myth, like Zeus is today.

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