Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Faith is Amoral

Granby, CT

#151080 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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As long as you consider God to be a "silly humanoid sky fairy", you'll never understand Him.
Christians know that depiction is what atheists want to believe God is like.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
What are the qualities of god and be specific. So long as you fail to understand that the word god is ambiguous with no clear accepted meaning, you'll never understand how irrelevant the word god is. What god is to you is not to another, so why concern yourself with something both unknown and so ambiguous? Because you are a dishonest death denier is why.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#151081 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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So let me get this right.
In the beginning all life evolved from dead, lifeless, sterile material.
“Poof,” All by itself, then life made a crazy run on the earth.
So you believe in “Poof?”
Like magic,“poof.”
Atheist don’t believe in God but they damn sure believe in “Poof.”
“foolish and a logical fallacy”???
Magic is your realm not that of science.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151082 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>"I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water.........." Post #150915

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"I," "I,"

You’re are so unpretentious. Such conservative modesty. Shouldn’t you be nominated for the noble peace prize for unselfishness. You could be idolized like Mother Teresa. Get the Atheist of the year award.

But nooooooo, you’re just satisfied with a "good ole KJ is an alright dude." Modesty, integrity and unrelenting sacrifice for the needy.

Such greatness has blessed our forum. We are honored by your presence.[tearing up, sniffle]
It's "Nobel", not "noble".

Here's a tissue.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151083 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>So let me get this right.

In the beginning all life evolved from dead, lifeless, sterile material.

“Poof,” All by itself, then life made a crazy run on the earth.

So you believe in “Poof?”

Like magic,“poof.”

Atheist don’t believe in God but they damn sure believe in “Poof.”

“foolish and a logical fallacy”???
You literally believe in "poof".

Your god supposedly "poofed" a handful of mud into a full grown man.

How blind can you be?
Imhotep

Kissimmee, FL

#151084 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Wiki:
In the 20th century, Christians have been persecuted by various groups, and by atheistic states such as the USSR and North Korea. Currently (as of 2012), as estimated by the Christian missionary organization Open Doors UK, an estimated 100 million Christians face persecution, particularly in Muslim dominated countries like, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They also face persecution in atheistic states like North Korea in which there is no religious freedom. A recent study, cited by the Vatican, reported that 75 out of every 100 people killed due to religious hatred were Christian.
That is what I call "a excellent start" !(Unabashed Sarcasm) ;)

Religion poisons virtually everything it touches.
It is a mind virus.

Good news...

http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/relig...

Since: Jan 13

Petersburg, VA

#151085 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Atheist is a Religion.
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion
Atheists lack belief in a god or gods. This does not require faith. The "Belief that there is no Deity or Deities," as you put it, doesn't require faith. The lack of evidence performs quite nicely in that regard.
Thinking

Saffron Walden, UK

#151086 Jan 31, 2013
Do you have any issue with "poof" marriage?
Eagle12 wrote:
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So let me get this right.
In the beginning all life evolved from dead, lifeless, sterile material.
“Poof,” All by itself, then life made a crazy run on the earth.
So you believe in “Poof?”
Like magic,“poof.”
Atheist don’t believe in God but they damn sure believe in “Poof.”
“foolish and a logical fallacy”???
Imhotep

Kissimmee, FL

#151087 Jan 31, 2013
socci wrote:
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Shake our heads at the ignorance?
The Catholics were the ones who burned people at the stake, including Christians who rejected the pope's authority.
• Catholic Inquisition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Rx8PdvOELvYXX
http://archive.org/details/CatholicInquisitio...
with ex-Catholic Priest Richard Bennett
But, but God loves you, ask the clergy, they wouldn't lie would they?

http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm

http://www.vaticancrimes.us/...

For extra credit...

http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn...

Awe inspiring religion or utterly contemptible?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#151088 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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So let me get this right.
In the beginning all life evolved from dead, lifeless, sterile material.
I think you underestimate the chemical reactivity of the materials that were on the early earth. They were 'sterile' only in the sense of being not alive: but they were very dynamic chemically.
“Poof,” All by itself, then life made a crazy run on the earth.
So you believe in “Poof?”
Like magic,“poof.”
Atheist don’t believe in God but they damn sure believe in “Poof.”
“foolish and a logical fallacy”???
No, it was not a 'poof'. It was a gradual increase in the complexity of the chemical reactions until a self-sustaining collection of reactions formed. Life *is* a collection of chemical reactions that maintains internal state while using the chemicals from the environment for nutrients and (for photosynthetic organisms) light for an energy source.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#151089 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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True. If you were actually looking for evidence of God, you would've found it by now like the rest of us.
But since you're not looking, you'll never find it.
Why do you think I haven't looked? I have read your Bible. I have searched the history. I have learned what science says. And my conclusion is that the God of the Bible certainly does not exist and, more generally, it is unlikely that the universe was intelligently created.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#151090 Jan 31, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Unless of course your looking for evidence of abiogenesis, then ,well we've only been looking for several decades, and though we have zero evidence, we're making progress ,right?
Hypocrite
But we *have* found evidence. We know the life is a chemical process. We know that the precursors of the chemicals of life existed on the early earth. We know that those precursors spontaneously form more complicated structures in the environment of the early earth. We know that those structures can catalyze many of the reactions of life. We know that they will spontaneously form into cell-like structures which will bud and grow.

In the other direction, we are learning the absolute essentials for living things by our study of bacteria. We are able to decipher that RNA and not DNA was the original genetic material. We know that that RNA can form not only the genetic material, but also catalyze reactions needed for life.

The point is that the gap between what we know spontaneously forms in conditions similar to the early earth and what we know the earliest life was like has shrunk dramatically over the last 50 years. And yes, that *is* progress on the question. And yes, the above *is* evidence of abiogenesis.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151091 Jan 31, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So your argument is atheists are evil and so they don't do charity work so it must not be true. Seeing as how I met my wife doing this charity work as she and her friends also volunteered down there helping their own countrymen and women I guess you will have to take it up with her. Hey maybe you can claim I thought I was injecting poison into all those people instead of malaria vaccines.
:sigh: You are such a Christhole secular humanists travel the world helping others I have always loved the Philippines and have been several times. It is heart breaking how those majority Christians have run it into the ground.
Jesus has answered the prayers of millions of homeless Filipino children with pagpag from heaven.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/30/world/asia/phil...
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I don’t categorize all atheist as being evil. There are some very fine upstanding atheist citizens. Then there are the group driven by bigotry and hatred such as yourself. With vile, demeaning, and offensive post.

You touched on birth control. I would agree that changes are needed but it’s not our country and we can do little about it. There is a method based on dates on the calendar. All it would take is to educate the population.

Do you think everyone in the world should be just like you? Godless, miserable and disrespectful. You said you love the Philippines. Does that mean you love the Pilipino people and culture?

I’ve been to the Philippines just like you have. By reading National Geographic. You cut down and accuse everyone of faith of being a liar and you expect us to believe your made up bullsh**? You never ever touched the Philippines.

Someone who is benevolent as you have betrayed yourself would respect their fellow human. Your tree doesn’t bare the sweet fruit that you claim. It bares noxious and deadly toxins. Blow your smoke up the naïve a*s.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151092 Jan 31, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No link I see. No surprise there as you made it up or changed it around. Churches run daily in North Korea even the USSR allowed the Russian Orthodox Church to remain open even funding to upgrade many chapels. I still have a Russian language your guide book from the soviet days showing you a map an times for church services at several famous churches there.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_C...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#151093 Jan 31, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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I don’t categorize all atheist as being evil. There are some very fine upstanding atheist citizens. Then there are the group driven by bigotry and hatred such as yourself. With vile, demeaning, and offensive post.
You touched on birth control. I would agree that changes are needed but it’s not our country and we can do little about it. There is a method based on dates on the calendar. All it would take is to educate the population.
Do you think everyone in the world should be just like you? Godless, miserable and disrespectful. You said you love the Philippines. Does that mean you love the Pilipino people and culture?
I’ve been to the Philippines just like you have. By reading National Geographic. You cut down and accuse everyone of faith of being a liar and you expect us to believe your made up bullsh**? You never ever touched the Philippines.
Someone who is benevolent as you have betrayed yourself would respect their fellow human. Your tree doesn’t bare the sweet fruit that you claim. It bares noxious and deadly toxins. Blow your smoke up the naïve a*s.
There's no such thing as god, sorry to poop your party

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151094 Jan 31, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes she died because instead of helping her they prayed. Atheists do lots of charity work. We just don't make the people listen to a sermon before we give them their sandwich or supplies.
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You mean she died in your novel. You know the one you can't sell. According to your story the girl died anyway. It looks like you showed up a day late and dollar short. A good atheist would have been there the day before to give her water. I mean you so perfect in your own mind and all. It sounds like you non prayer method didn’t help.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151095 Jan 31, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Stayed at the Mission Inn, during Xmas season with all the beautiful lights. I had an incredible room, it's on the rooftop level, freestanding with a cupola roof. I ate in the bar-lounge area. You'd never know you were in Riverside, it could be New York or San Francisco or Europe.(No offense.) Hated to leave the next day....
Ya, that place don't represent Riverside very well. It's made for city folks to come down & spend $12 on a beer :)

You should visit Engal's Park in Norco during Rodeo week.$2 beers.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151096 Jan 31, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I think you underestimate the chemical reactivity of the materials that were on the early earth. They were 'sterile' only in the sense of being not alive: but they were very dynamic chemically.
<quoted text>
No, it was not a 'poof'. It was a gradual increase in the complexity of the chemical reactions until a self-sustaining collection of reactions formed. Life *is* a collection of chemical reactions that maintains internal state while using the chemicals from the environment for nutrients and (for photosynthetic organisms) light for an energy source.
Many chemical reactions take a lot of work to get the desired compounds. With multiple steps and engineered processes to reach those desired compounds. Sometimes taking weeks and months before obtaining the desired engineered results.

A lot of chemical reactions don’t happen as expected and it’s a hit and miss to get those targeted compounds. A research chemist would know exactly what I’m talking about.

Life and the genesis of life is far more complex than any man made chemical compound. Those DNA and RNA codes didn’t self construct as you atheist claim.

So much is said here about science. Well science says it’s impossible for life to self create. The Miller Experiment was a bust. They didn’t even use the atmosphere the Earth had at the beginning.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#151097 Jan 31, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Why do you think I haven't looked? I have read your Bible. I have searched the history. I have learned what science says. And my conclusion is that the God of the Bible certainly does not exist and, more generally, it is unlikely that the universe was intelligently created.
The Bible is just a book, it won't lead to to Christ any more than reading a physics book will make you a physicist.

God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151098 Jan 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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There's no such thing as god, sorry to poop your party
I won’t call you stupid nor will I demean you like you have others. You make you own mind up and the rest of us will make up ours. If we need your help with deciding we will drop a dime and give you a call.

In the mean time stop trying to be a dictator and forcing people to give up their right to freedom. We are free people and free we will live. That means no one has to prove sh** to you nor do we have to give up our faith.

We don’t need your approval but thank you anyway.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#151099 Jan 31, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Bible is just a book, it won't lead to to Christ any more than reading a physics book will make you a physicist.
God is found through prayer & faith, not through reading the Bible.
You are ditching the bible, that is good! But faith through prayer? To which of the many gods, they are all different. You are still seeing things through a christian lens.

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