Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#151005 Jan 30, 2013
The_Box wrote:
Religion is superstition.
No, religion is religion. Superstition is superstition.

Do you need links to prove you wrong?
I have also argued about ghosts, psychics, mediums, alternative medicine, conspiracy theories, and other things that people support irrationally.
Good for you!

Ever try minding your own business?
We don't need more of any dogma. Ideas should be supported based on their soundness and the evidence that supports them.
Dogma is principle set down as incontrovertibly true.

You're opinion that religion is the same thing as superstition IS dogma...

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#151006 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Now absolute morality, which we all appeal to instinctively has to have a source. God is that source.

It aint necessarily so wrote:
"God" doesn't exist. Neither so absolute morals.
And there's IANS' dogma....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#151007 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Why is it, do you think, that you need to rule out the particular God?
I don't. I'm merely reporting to you that I can and I have. But it's not necessary. I would ignore your bible, its god, and its church even without that due to lack of supporting evidence.
mtimber wrote:
Have you ever wondered why atheists display so much tension around the Christian God?
No. I've never noticed it.

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#151008 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You still have failed to account for purpose.
What does that mean? Explain why I feel it, where it came from, how it serves me, or something else? I think I can, but so what if I couldn't? Is that an argument for a god or gods? Already stipulated.

You still have failed to make a case for the creator god or gods of the universe being Jehovah-Jesus. I'm starting to think that you can't.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#151009 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
I am not free to break Gods Law. Lying is not permitted by the way...
And what happens if you lie and demand forgiveness? Are you going to hell?
mtimber wrote:
That is the whole point of the gospel...
Disagree. The whole point of the entire bible is to control and exploit you.

Put on your skeptics cap and see if you can answer this from an unbeliever's perspective: why would there be a Commandment to honor the Sabbath?
mtimber wrote:
And laying down your life for someone you love, you consider "cheap"?
For the one getting the forgiveness? Yes. He doesn't even need to apologize to his victim, let alone ask for forgiveness from him.

Do you disagree? If so, on what basis?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#151010 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
God is the First Cause, that is without cause. He is self attesting, which the First Cause would have to be...
Does you bible say that? You can add "first cause" to the following list:

"The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin ...[nor] Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.- Dan Barker

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In the macro world.

#151011 Jan 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>No, religion is religion. Superstition is superstition.

Do you need links to prove you wrong?

[QUOTE] I have also argued about ghosts, psychics, mediums, alternative medicine, conspiracy theories, and other things that people support irrationally. "

Good for you!

Ever try minding your own business?

[QUOTE] We don't need more of any dogma. Ideas should be supported based on their soundness and the evidence that supports them."

Dogma is principle set down as incontrovertibly true.

You're opinion that religion is the same thing as superstition IS dogma...
Dogma is principle set down as incontrovertibly true in the total absence of supporting evidence.

And there is plenty of evidence that supports the fact the religion is superstition.

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#151012 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
It is not about evidence, it is about authority.
People do not reject God because of lack of evidence, they reject Him because they do not want to submit to His authority.
Is that right?

I have no problem with authority. I had no problem with my parents or the law. I am the product of at least two authoritarian hierarchies that I successfully navigated: the military, where I started as a private and finished with an honorable discharge, and medicine, where I started as a medical student and end up an attending physician. I am currently being instructed in bridge by an expert.I know my place in that relationship.

You're simply wrong. I rejected your god first for lack of evidence for it. Now, I can add a logical proof of its nonexistence to that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#151013 Jan 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a threat to humanity?

Who knew?
I know, huh?

And here I thought you were a nice guy.

“There is no god!”

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#151014 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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In that case, how do you account for absolute morality?
God has supplied that, as can be evidenced in the fact that all mankind recognises it.
But how do you account for it, when you deny God?
Where does it come from?
There's no absolute morality

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#151015 Jan 30, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
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I'm not defending the atheists because i see it in us too... but I hope you are not so blind as to not see Christians being guilty of this on here as well!
Its like watching a bunch of angry kids playing king of the hill... remember that game?
People representing faith that are continuously abusive come and go. Theyre never long term residences on this channel.

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#151016 Jan 30, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So if your neighbour decides to steal your car, you are ok with that?
i would wonder where i got a car from

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151017 Jan 30, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You Sir are vile and disrespectful , do you have any honor? or Are you in fact devoid of reason?
She should be banned.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#151018 Jan 30, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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i would wonder where i got a car from
LOL

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#151019 Jan 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Dogma is principle set down as incontrovertibly true in the total absence of supporting evidence.
And there is plenty of evidence that supports the fact the religion is superstition.
Then supply said evidence.

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151020 Jan 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that right?
I have no problem with authority. I had no problem with my parents or the law. I am the product of at least two authoritarian hierarchies that I successfully navigated: the military, where I started as a private and finished with an honorable discharge, and medicine, where I started as a medical student and end up an attending physician. I am currently being instructed in bridge by an expert.I know my place in that relationship.
You're simply wrong. I rejected your god first for lack of evidence for it. Now, I can add a logical proof of its nonexistence to that.
You probably have strong opinions about Doctors being sued in court for malpractice. I do to and dont think competent Doctors should ever be sued. Even if they make a mistake.

But in medicine there are MDs that are frauds and incompetent. Their body count is like ten times higher than the average competent Doctors. There needs to be a way of weeding out those in medicine who are dreadful.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#151021 Jan 30, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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She should be banned.
It is no she.

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#151022 Jan 30, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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She should be banned.
Many of them should be. They are quite guilty of practicing hate speech based solely upon religion.

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#151023 Jan 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, religion is religion. Superstition is superstition.
Religion is full of superstition: beliefs based on the supernatural or magic.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Good for you!
Ever try minding your own business?
I do mind my own business. Is participating in public forums an invasion of your, or anyone else's, privacy?

Frankly, in the instance of religion (or alternative medicine or psychic/medium conmen), it need to be confronted because it so often ends up in other people's business causing harm.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Dogma is principle set down as incontrovertibly true.
You're opinion that religion is the same thing as superstition IS dogma...
It's simply the definition of superstition.

Wikipedia's definition
a belief in supernatural causality

Merriam-Webster's definition
1a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation

*a belief or practice resulting from trust in magic*

That doesn't describe religion?

“In the beginning God Created..”

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#151024 Jan 30, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
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