Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#150865 Jan 29, 2013
I know you made this up KJV because Wikipedia doesn't sound so dyslexic like you do. Again agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms.

As usual you lied.
Langoliers wrote:
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Wikipedia:
agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively.

Since: Sep 08

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#150866 Jan 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Because agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms so a person can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist for example.
You Christholes sure do need this explained again and again and again.
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By this time your wife must be craving some intellectual stimulus.

Have you thought of bringing some outside talent in to save your marriage?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#150867 Jan 29, 2013
Your last sentence wraps it up nicely :)
polymath257 wrote:
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No, I am very well aware of the distinction between the two ideas. I am claiming a *lack* of cause as shown by explicit experiments (like Arrow's demonstration) to test general causality.
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No, it most certainly does not. Logical derivation has nothing to do with causality. Logic is an abstract collection of methods of deriving truths from previous truths. Causality has to do with how the laws of physics allow one to deduce a later state from an initial state.
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Your lack of understanding of logic is not my problem.
Thinking

Saffron Walden, UK

#150868 Jan 29, 2013
None of this is news to me. I say as much back in post 150785

www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUGI0DVL...

"Unexpected" order is not a problem. It's an opportunity.:)
polymath257 wrote:
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No, I am not being unduly picky. The problem is that there are many situations where entropy drives things from *less* order to *more* order even though the entropy increases throughout. The case of the separation of oil and water is one very clean example, but there are many others.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#150869 Jan 29, 2013
Leaving aside your inability to answer questions...
My claim is factually based, welcome to reality. Unlike your so called bible absolute moral god, we modern secular humanists realize it is wrong to have slaves, instead of commanding it as your god did. We know it's wrong to storm a city kill all the men and boys, take a sword to every infant, rob every house and lastly round up and rape every woman before putting her to death saving only the young begin girls to be sex slaves as commanded by your absolute lol moral god. Even Paul and Jesus condoned and approved of slavery.

Now I know Hovind has taught you when people bring up the hideous morality of your so called absolute moral god that you are to say... No no that has no bearing on the conversation or we'll discuss that later right? Right?

Except it does. You can't in one minute say your god is this creator of absolute morality and then refuse to discuss his morals! Lmfao!

I can make my factual claim because it is reality and observably correct. You being a delusional victim of the church have been programmed to disagree and think the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

I enjoy reality and think the future is bright as more people leave your deluded way of thinking.

Secular humanist morality is by far superior to the so called godly morality of the bible.

Indisputable fact.
mtimber wrote:
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...How can you make such a universal claim about society?
Many would disagree with your assertion...

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Sweden

#150870 Jan 29, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The existence of absolute moral standards, as evidenced by everyone appealing to them, even if they deny them when it suits, requires an explanation.
That God has revealed them to us, personally, in time, is the evidence required...
Of course you will deny both these facts, but that does not stop them being true...
there are no absolute moral standards! all moral is relative

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#150871 Jan 29, 2013
All the while refusing to answer one.
Just Think wrote:
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LOL...you know mtimber is running blind when he resorts to "Let's play 20,000 questions!"

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#150872 Jan 29, 2013
She is actually taking a well deserved nap after 3 romps of uh stimulation :))
Dave Nelson wrote:
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By this time your wife must be craving some intellectual stimulus.
Have you thought of bringing some outside talent in to save your marriage?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#150873 Jan 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
This is highly amusing.
"Informed" individuals reinterpreting the Big Bang theory. Then throwing in fancy words and concepts that sound good.
The Big Bang theory is a region of what we call space, or a small particle, got very hot and agitated and went flying to pieces. It was assumedly a monolithic substance or collection of energy. After going to pieces and expanding the energy, which they refer to as heat, got dissipated and condensed into droplets, which became matter. Gravity caused motion, bringing them together, which set the stage for the other forces to be created.
A drop of water getting zapped and exploding, then cooling down, but without the pre-existing granularity of its molecular composition. This condensation of the original material or energy created the granularity we have now, and which developed into our present physical world. Such is assumed, anyhow.
A well known process in physics, but dressed up in fancy and obscure words to make the wannabe priests look smart.
That simple. All wrapped up in a mustard seed.
Allll righty, then.

Turn the temp down in your hot tub.

Do you use oil in it?

Because it appears you're fried.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#150874 Jan 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-ar...
How big is a single point in space?
That link kinda don't jive with what you say.
It's more accurate to say the universe *was* a single point. Once again, we see the problem of 'dumbing down' so the average person can get *some* idea of what was going on, even if not completely correct.
Thinking

Saffron Walden, UK

#150876 Jan 29, 2013
Prove it.
polymath257 wrote:
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It's more accurate to say the universe *was* a single point.

Since: Jun 07

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#150877 Jan 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-ar...
How big is a single point in space?
That link kinda don't jive with what you say.
You're a proven creationist with no proof of god, who lies about science. Why do you think your opinion even matters in this forum?

What do you hope to achieve here with such outright stupidity. I mean you deny fossil evidence for f*cks sake.

Since: Jun 07

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#150878 Jan 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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By this time your wife must be craving some intellectual stimulus.
Have you thought of bringing some outside talent in to save your marriage?
It's better for you to sh*t up and let the atheists educate your sorry creationist a$$.

Since: Sep 08

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#150879 Jan 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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It's more accurate to say the universe *was* a single point. Once again, we see the problem of 'dumbing down' so the average person can get *some* idea of what was going on, even if not completely correct.
"'dumbing down' so the average person can get *some* idea of what was going on,"

:-)

The high priestliness shows its head.

Poly, there are people squatting in the dirt in various locales of the world that understand physics better than you.

No offense meant, a statistical fact.

Since: Sep 08

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#150880 Jan 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
She is actually taking a well deserved nap after 3 romps of uh stimulation :))
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You are a stupid man. Or even a stupider woman if you are a lesbian.

Since: Sep 08

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#150881 Jan 29, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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It's better for you to sh*t up and let the atheists educate your sorry creationist a$$.
You really don't want to lick it. Trust me.

That is the closest you could get to doing so.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#150882 Jan 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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What imaginary god would that be, Orrie?
You seem to be stuck on this anti-Jehovah kick, equating any belief in a supernatural with a belief in Bible God as you perceive it. Then your knees start jerking.
I was "your" definition of an atheist for over 50 years. I, too, was against the ritual and blind following of the words of men claiming to be shepherds. The religious ones and the progressive liberal secular humanist ones. I even had a death experience and didn't see a god.
But I have been a technician all of my life, and a very good one. Instead of focusing my skills on small parts of this existence, I started to looking at it as a system, with reliance on modern physics stating it is a closed system. I see the transfers of energy and interactions from a detached view. I, including my consciousness, is a part of the schematic I am watching unfold.
That is why I have been suggesting we are glorified light bulbs, so to speak, constructed devices, to accomplish the ends of something larger than us. What it is I don't know.
You and most people are stuck staring out. You don't know how to detach yourself from your function to realize what you really are. You are too busy processing the energy flowing through you.
Belief was a thing you stumbled about with.
Make no mistake, you if have legs you will be cut from them.
Then you will have no legs to stand on.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#150883 Jan 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I could use your granddaughter's mouth as gift wrapping for my boner who is a god, providing she is over 18 and attractive. He is demanding some worship today and hey she could be the lucky believer to receive my holy sperm-it!
Now stay away from sharp objects Gramps, your fingers can't take much more.
You are very welcome :)
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You Sir are vile and disrespectful , do you have any honor? or Are you in fact devoid of reason?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#150884 Jan 29, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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If you are an agnostic, how can you then deny the possibility of God?
That is contradictory.
I do not deny possibility of god, but have found no better candidate than myself.

Does this mean you will worship me?

Or will I have to make you?

I refuse to to make you so...Here we are.

My will against yours..and.

I will win.

Since: Sep 08

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#150885 Jan 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Belief was a thing you stumbled about with.
Make no mistake, you if have legs you will be cut from them.
Then you will have no legs to stand on.
That was a bit vague.

We all stumble around with our beliefs. Including you.

I've been cut from my body. Still floated around.

C'mon, Orrie, give us something REALLY profound about this existence.

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