Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[solopassage]

Aerobatty wrote:

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Why did the OT need to be reformed?
God screwed it up the first time?

God gave man both reason and free will. How we interpret God's commandments is up to us. Man's constructs of God's moral precepts (Mosaic code) have been degrading and injurious as depicted in the Jewish Old Testament, but God is infinitely patient. He knows His "children" learn through their error.

Jesus was a great teacher of common sense. His message (the New Testament) was the morality of absolute love and service. Only the lack of egotism can engender a respect for the freedom and dignity of other beings therefore one must be in the world, but not of the world.

[Eagle12]

To my Atheist friends and the not so friendly.

“Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.”

Mark Twain

And we know you will.

Eagle 12

[Dave Nelson]

scaritual wrote:

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If it bothers you why do you keep going to those sites?

I don't. Those are just items that show up on news aggregators.

I post them to keep you "science experts" and worshipers up to date.

[Dave Nelson]

Aerobatty wrote:

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Yeah Dave.
It's electrical.

You are agitated. I can tell.

You thought electricity is something that comes in a can, right?

You might. But not electricity.

And it wasn't invented recently.

Hey, Batbrain, picture yourself as an intelligent early human, sitting in the cave on a cold and dry night, with all of those furs laying around, and you see and feel static. One of those things you grow up with.

You think it took them thousands of years to figure how to generate and manipulate this invisible force? I mean ancestors others than yours.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

This makes no sense whatsoever.
I can shoot lasers from my eyes. Don't ask for evidence because that means you must believe me!

Is that supposed to make sense?

Is there a 'Laser eye shooters requires as much faith as religion?' thread?

Nope.

Why?

Because nobody is searching for the laser eye shooters...

[Dave Nelson]

Yeah, I can see it now.

Bat Brain's distant ancestor Ergemergir, the talented flint knapper of his tribe, sitting "out there", looking down at his progeny, Bat Brain. His head in his hands, continually wailing, "Why, oh why, did I get drunk that night!?".

[macumazahn]

polymath257 wrote:

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From *your* post. Francis Collins understands evolution and knows it happened. He also thinks it is consistent with the Biblical account.
Once again, as long as he does his science correctly and doesn't attempt to get religion taught as science, I have no problem.

Hey, Poly, Aura was looking for you - math problem of some sort.

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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Is there a 'Laser eye shooters requires as much faith as religion?' thread?
Nope.
Why?
Because nobody is searching for the laser eye shooters...

Because no one is making laser-eye-shooter claims. They do make silly religious claims though.

The fact remains: asking you for evidence of your claims does not indicate that those claims are accepted. The opposite is true.

[RiversideRedneck]

The_Box wrote:

Because no one is making laser-eye-shooter claims.

You just did.

The fact remains: asking you for evidence of your claims does not indicate that those claims are accepted. The opposite is true.

I could agree on that except there are many so-called atheists that spend far too much time trying to disprove a God they say they don't believe in.

Besides, I've yet to see you ask me for any evidence of any claims you claim I've made.

[Aerobatty]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

<quoted text>For people that can't get an inflatable woman or a real sheep:

http://www.muttonbone.com/ [Anatomically correct inflatable ewe.]

Dave might just be that desperate.

[Aerobatty]

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe you just complicate things.

Mental confusion does that.

Lots of experience there, Dave?

[bohart]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Scientists wouldn't be spending so much effort trying to solve the problem of abiogenesis if existing evidence didn't point them in that direction.
By contrast, they aren't looking for perpetual motion machines, since the evidence suggests that that would be a dead end.
You really don't understand what evidence is,or how it can be used. It isn't necessary to see abiogenesis to suspect it or find it.
The mere fact that science has found so many naturalistic explanations for physical phenomena like lightning and eclipses is evidence that other phenomena will succumb to similar investigations using the same method.
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Then you don't know biochemistry. Those are the ABCs of living things and life.

What violations of the law of biogenesis have been observed?

[bohart]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Hmmm.....biochemistry.
Let's see. You have an organic brain with a fixed matrix that over time develops new pathways and loops from experiences and chemicals added to the mix.
You smoke a little dope. It opens up new pathways for your brain to explore. Adds new perspectives.
You smoke a lot and it becomes a closed self-feeding loop. Puts a wall around the perspective. Makes one comfortable in their cocoon.
Same happens with many painkillers. Deadens the noise of the body and the world. And emotions. You get comfortably numb. And unable to expand your mind and perspectives.
A real waste, especially if this is your only time around.
Stunted growth.

Stunted growth? more like arrested development.

[bohart]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Scientists wouldn't be spending so much effort trying to solve the problem of abiogenesis if existing evidence didn't point them in that direction.
By contrast, they aren't looking for perpetual motion machines, since the evidence suggests that that would be a dead end.
You really don't understand what evidence is,or how it can be used. It isn't necessary to see abiogenesis to suspect it or find it.
The mere fact that science has found so many naturalistic explanations for physical phenomena like lightning and eclipses is evidence that other phenomena will succumb to similar investigations using the same method.
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Then you don't know biochemistry. Those are the ABCs of living things and life.

Perpetual motion machines are a dead end? There's more evidence that a perpetual motion machine is possible than for puddles of goo to poof into life. At least an alleged perpetual motion machine will operate for a time before it stops. I don't know biochemistry?, and you do? Explain just how the puddle of goo comes to life, the world is waiting because the most brilliant minds on earth don't have a single viable clue.As you yourself said,...it isn't necessary to see abiogenesis,suspect it or find it. Thats not science by any measure,....thats faith.

Your belief system is showing

[The_Box]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

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You just did.

Jokingly, as an analogy.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

I could agree on that except there are many so-called atheists that spend far too much time trying to disprove a God they say they don't believe in.

A lot of people like blowing off time on the internet arguing. That's hardly some indication of secret belief.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Besides, I've yet to see you ask me for any evidence of any claims you claim I've made.

You said people were 'seeking proof'. What they're doing is asking for evidence to support religious claims.

My 'you' in 'asking you for evidence of your claims does not indicate that those claims are accepted' was an indefinite you. Sorry for any confusion.

[Dave Nelson]

-- 0ld Man -- wrote:

What do I need to do to get some service around here????

Flashing cash usually works.

[scaritual]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Flashing cash usually works.

You thought he was talking about a hooker, didn't you, Dave.

[Turkey]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Scientists wouldn't be spending so much effort trying to solve the problem of abiogenesis if existing evidence didn't point them in that direction.
By contrast, they aren't looking for perpetual motion machines, since the evidence suggests that that would be a dead end.
You really don't understand what evidence is,or how it can be used. It isn't necessary to see abiogenesis to suspect it or find it.
The mere fact that science has found so many naturalistic explanations for physical phenomena like lightning and eclipses is evidence that other phenomena will succumb to similar investigations using the same method.
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Then you don't know biochemistry. Those are the ABCs of living things and life.

hmm, thougt opioides were

[Eagle12]

Atheism is the unascertained belief that all life started from nihility. Non-comprehension of such beginnings is not indispensable. The assurance based on positive premonition that such beginnings did not happen by divine plan and design.

Such declarations not based on substantiation but ones own assertion that the self creation through happenstance is lucid. By which many Atheist do declare as not as faith but as fact. Even though they lack substantiation to their belief.

[Just Think]

Eagle12 wrote:

Atheism is the unascertained belief that all life started from nihility. Non-comprehension of such beginnings is not indispensable. The assurance based on positive premonition that such beginnings did not happen by divine plan and design.
Such declarations not based on substantiation but ones own assertion that the self creation through happenstance is lucid. By which many Atheist do declare as not as faith but as fact. Even though they lack substantiation to their belief.

Um...no.

Atheism is a lack of a belief in a god.

Glad to help.