Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150639 Jan 28, 2013
bohart wrote:
Tell me what violations of the law of biogenesis , that life only comes from existing life, have ever been seen using your beloved scientific method? Since we all know the answer is zero, yours is a faith based belief.
Scientists wouldn't be spending so much effort trying to solve the problem of abiogenesis if existing evidence didn't point them in that direction.

By contrast, they aren't looking for perpetual motion machines, since the evidence suggests that that would be a dead end.

You really don't understand what evidence is,or how it can be used. It isn't necessary to see abiogenesis to suspect it or find it.

The mere fact that science has found so many naturalistic explanations for physical phenomena like lightning and eclipses is evidence that other phenomena will succumb to similar investigations using the same method.
bohart wrote:
Also your same old worn out lies about amino acids,polymerization, organic compounds, etc, are all lab created and mean nothing when it comes to life . Nothing
Then you don't know biochemistry. Those are the ABCs of living things and life.

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#150640 Jan 28, 2013
Pat wrote:
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How easily you can spot an unsubstantiated claim when you disagree with it but are unable to spot a unsubstantiated claim if you find it personally appealing. The hypocrisy of the theist exposed once again.
Awesome. So you can't demonstrate that God doesn't exist.

Wouldn't it have been easier just to say that?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#150641 Jan 28, 2013
Tough sh!t. The research is happening without you.
bohart wrote:
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Yes, because you say its different. Tell me what violations of the law of biogenesis , that life only comes from existing life, have ever been seen using your beloved scientific method? Since we all know the answer is zero, yours is a faith based belief.Also your same old worn out lies about amino acids,polymerization, organic compounds, etc, are all lab created and mean nothing when it comes to life . Nothing

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#150642 Jan 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Scientists wouldn't be spending so much effort trying to solve the problem of abiogenesis if existing evidence didn't point them in that direction.
By contrast, they aren't looking for perpetual motion machines, since the evidence suggests that that would be a dead end.
You really don't understand what evidence is,or how it can be used. It isn't necessary to see abiogenesis to suspect it or find it.
The mere fact that science has found so many naturalistic explanations for physical phenomena like lightning and eclipses is evidence that other phenomena will succumb to similar investigations using the same method.
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Then you don't know biochemistry. Those are the ABCs of living things and life.
Hmmm.....biochemistry.

Let's see. You have an organic brain with a fixed matrix that over time develops new pathways and loops from experiences and chemicals added to the mix.

You smoke a little dope. It opens up new pathways for your brain to explore. Adds new perspectives.

You smoke a lot and it becomes a closed self-feeding loop. Puts a wall around the perspective. Makes one comfortable in their cocoon.

Same happens with many painkillers. Deadens the noise of the body and the world. And emotions. You get comfortably numb. And unable to expand your mind and perspectives.

A real waste, especially if this is your only time around.

Stunted growth.

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#150643 Jan 28, 2013

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#150644 Jan 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>REDSEA!
YELLOWRIVER!
BLUELAGOON

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#150645 Jan 28, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>A guy walks into a bar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =77PymmxMLJMXX
Ouch! Of course the first thing he does is to inform his God on how much that hurt. LOL

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#150646 Jan 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean? African or European swallow?
Ok so we know a swallow must beat its wings 43 times per second, am I right?

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#150647 Jan 28, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=mVTW_-C014oXX
Not that Sue.

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#150648 Jan 28, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Did you here about the Japanese - Jewish restaurant, it was called Sosueme.
:)

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#150649 Jan 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.

For people who can't maintain real companionship, an imaginary companion will suffice.

http://m.youtube.com/watch...
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#150650 Jan 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Your bible can't demonstrate anything but words it contains, which is proof of nothing except that the bible contains them.

mtimber wrote, "And as the Bible has shown it can be trusted ... "

Au contraire. Your bible is riddled with error and contradiction.

mtimber wrote, "you appeal to Christian principles of morality as the defining standard of your character."

What moral principles are original to Christianity? "Thou shalt not steal"? You stole that from the Jews.

Incidentally, whenever Christians pick and choose which commandments of their bible to accept and which to reject, they are applying an external standard to your so-called absolute biblical morality to do it.
"Your bible can't demonstrate anything but words it contains, which is proof of nothing except that the bible contains them."

"You stole that from the Jews."

No need showing off your stupidity any further. Jesus was a Rabbi the Christian faith was Jewish the split came years after Jesus. However the OT was always part of Christianity and the Jewish faiths. Nothing stolen.

Silly games the atheist play.

Why under this rule then the same holds true to science. Nothing but words and numbers in all their theory's.

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#150651 Jan 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>How does a god - or belief in a god - give a life more purpose than it wouldn't otherwise have?

Are you implying that my purpose is to worship it? That's not my purpose - it's the deity's.

As a Christian, your life is devalued and relatively purposeless. In the eyes of your god, you are nothing but a praising machine.

Your purpose - the reason you believe that you were created - is to die and move on to a life of praising some narcissistic black hole of need. In the meantime, you consider the very flesh that you are encased in an your enemy in which you are trapped while awaiting release. You see the world as decadent, and anticipate leaving it, too.

No thanks.
"How does a god - or belief in a god - give a life more purpose than it wouldn't otherwise have? "

You really don't know? Or are you just playing dumb?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150652 Jan 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Hmmm.....biochemistry.
Let's see. You have an organic brain with a fixed matrix that over time develops new pathways and loops from experiences and chemicals added to the mix.
You smoke a little dope. It opens up new pathways for your brain to explore. Adds new perspectives.
You smoke a lot and it becomes a closed self-feeding loop. Puts a wall around the perspective. Makes one comfortable in their cocoon.
Same happens with many painkillers. Deadens the noise of the body and the world. And emotions. You get comfortably numb. And unable to expand your mind and perspectives.
A real waste, especially if this is your only time around.
Stunted growth.
Thank you as always for sharing your insights. You have a gift for converting the profound and nuanced into the simplistic. Your mind digests complex thought the way a protease digests protein.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150653 Jan 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
For people who can't maintain real companionship, an imaginary companion will suffice.
For people that can't get an inflatable woman or a real sheep:

http://www.muttonbone.com/ [Anatomically correct inflatable ewe.]

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150654 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"You stole ['Thou shalt not steal'] from the Jews."

No need showing off your stupidity any further. Jesus was a Rabbi the Christian faith was Jewish the split came years after Jesus. However the OT was always part of Christianity and the Jewish faiths. Nothing stolen.
The Jews say otherwise. And they reject your sham messiah and his heretical cult on biblical grounds.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#150655 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
"How does a god - or belief in a god - give a life more purpose than it wouldn't otherwise have? "

You really don't know? Or are you just playing dumb?
I do know: it doesn't. Your life has no more meaning, value or purpose because of faith. If anything, less. What use are you if you despise the world, it's affairs, and human flesh?

You're taught to feel like an alien in your own world:

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.- 1 John 2:15

They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.- John 17:16

Do not conform to the pattern of this world - Romans 12:2

Where's the purpose there?

You're also taught to be alienated to your family :

If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.- Luke 14:26

What's the value of that?

And finally, you are taught that you are an alien temporarily trapped in vile flesh:

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.- Galatians 5:16-18

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh.- Philippians 3:2-4

And what is this great purpose you imagine for yourself? To spend eternity slavishly kissing the ass of a selfish and needy tyrant? What is the value of such a life to anybody else but that god?

To diminish the meaning and purpose of your life further, you live it like you're sitting at a bus stop waiting to be whisked away, with your attention, gratitude, and loyalty deflected to a nonexistent place you'll never see populated by ghosts that never existed.

I reject your church's claim to superior wisdom, to moral superiority, to spirituality of any kind, and to superior existential qualities like meaning, value, and purpose.

From where I sit, humanism outshines you at all of those.

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#150656 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"How does a god - or belief in a god - give a life more purpose than it wouldn't otherwise have? "
You really don't know? Or are you just playing dumb?
You didn't answer the question...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#150657 Jan 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thank you as always for sharing your insights. You have a gift for converting the profound and nuanced into the simplistic. Your mind digests complex thought the way a protease digests protein.
Maybe you just complicate things.

Mental confusion does that.

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#150658 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Silly games the atheist play.
You've always played the same game - lying about god being real.

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